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Onside kick question: If Alabama had fallen on it, like
Jan 12, 2017, 10:08 AM
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Huegel did - the 1 second wouldn't have ticked off of the clock either, right?
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Correct...
Jan 12, 2017, 10:11 AM
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But picture yourself trying to fall on a ball that is being surrounded by opposing players, opposing players who will plow into you if you approach the ball. And you have to fall on it completely clean, no bobble, no nothin'.
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Thanks - in the aftermath of the onside kick - I didn't know
Jan 12, 2017, 10:16 AM
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who had recovered it. For a brief moment, I thought Alabama might have it on our 40 with 1 second on the clock.
Not questioning the call - it was as safe as anything to do on a kick-off...
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Yes. I think it was brilliant, but not because it was
Jan 12, 2017, 10:18 AM
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some incredible gutsy or risky call. I think the brilliance was in the recognition of low-risk it was, compared to other plays.
It's a very specialized situation because there was only 1 second left, but any coach at any level of football should watch that and see that it is simply the right play in that situation.
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And yet I've heard quite a few people on podcasts and such
Jan 14, 2017, 1:07 PM
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say how dumb it was and how fortunate Dabo is that it worked out. I agree with you though - i think it was a great call.
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in all honesty, just kicking it out of bounds would probably
Jan 14, 2017, 1:44 PM
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have been safer. Then they're trying to run one play from their 35, rather than potentially one play from our 45.
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All-TigerNet [13038]
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Well there's a 100% chance they get to run that play
Jan 14, 2017, 1:56 PM
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vs how much of a chance that they get to run a play on the onside kick? In order to get a play off on the onside kick they have to not only recover the ball (when they aren't expecting an onside kick), but they also have to recover it 100% clean, no bobbles, while already down on the ground. If we recover, we win. If they recover while not down and then get tackled, we win. If they bobble the ball even once for a split second while recovering, we win.
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plus it is not that easy to kick the ball out of bounds past
Jan 14, 2017, 2:14 PM
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the 35 yard line. And they can make you kick it again.
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Compare that to kicking it on the ground 30-40 yds down the
Jan 12, 2017, 10:25 AM
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field, which is what we traditionally see in that scenario. Your players have to first get to the ball, and then stay with the ball as it's lateraled around, and make a tackle. Or maybe Bama manages to easily down that ball without running time. So they get a shot at an offensive play.
Obviously, there was no scenario that gave Bama a good chance, but I think the play that was run by Clemson was the lowest risk play there was. Even if Bama recovered the ball, it's 99% likely the time would run off, and they would be easily tackled due to how many Clemson players are right on the ball.
To me, the biggest risk was a Clemson player touching the ball before it reached 10 yds. As long as a Bama player didn't also touch it, no time would run off, and Bama would get the ball at the spot of the illegal touch.
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Re: Compare that to kicking it on the ground 30-40 yds down the
Jan 14, 2017, 2:27 PM
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In the heat of the moment it's likely the Bama players didn't know what to do. I doubt they knew that the clock would not start if they were down when they touched it. The length of time the ball rolled down the field must have given those on the front line an eternity to second guess what they were doing.
It was just as masterful as the onsides Bama ran against Clemson last year.
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If they recover while knee on the ground then time wouldn't
Jan 12, 2017, 10:20 AM
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have expired. If they recovered while standing and then fell then yes time would've expired.
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Re: Onside kick question: If Alabama had fallen on it, like
Jan 12, 2017, 10:29 AM
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yes but a good safe call. I was expecting kick it into one of them so it would start the clock
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Re: Onside kick question: If Alabama had fallen on it, like
Jan 14, 2017, 12:58 PM
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Yup. They'd have had one shot at the end zone
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That onside kick was perhaps the gutsy call of the game...
Jan 14, 2017, 2:18 PM
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...that ball rolled to me what appeared to be EXACTLY the 10 yards needed for the recovery.
Divine providence that the Tigers were then allowed with 1 second to allow DW4 to finish in victory formation.
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Re: That onside kick was perhaps the gutsy call of the game...
Jan 14, 2017, 3:10 PM
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Was also payback for onside Saban kick last year.
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Re: That onside kick was perhaps the gutsy call of the game...
Jan 14, 2017, 6:13 PM
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BINGO - it was payback, plain and simple. Dabo is a religious man, but many overlook the fire that burns in this man's belly. He does not forget. Coots need to remember their fans 'jabs' with the five bomb when Coach was being gracious to them. He will win more than five straight against them. Mark it down.
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Orange Blooded [3351]
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Well since we're dicussing hypothetical what if's
Jan 14, 2017, 10:16 PM
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What if the 4 to 13 pass at the end had bounced off 13's hands or if he bobbled it while going out of bounds? I'm thinking the last second may have ticked off the clock without a chance for another play. I'm glad 13 has great hands and the coaches trusted him and 4 to be great under tremendous pressure so we're not discussing THAT.
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