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Oculus Spirit [82972]
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The biggest thing wrong with the GOP right now:
Nov 7, 2012, 2:04 PM
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Paranoia and a deep mistrust of many people and things just a lil' different than they are. Too many will believe just about any conspiracy theory about the media or liberals. This paranoia is ignited by many on talk-radio or in the bloggersphere and many brilliant people end up buying into nonsense. Examples are Obama's birth certificate, the outrage about the mosque in Manhattan, the never happened apology tour, the dreams from my real father nonsense, the war on Christmas, the rapper/poet in the White House nonsense, the 2016 movie insanity, total ban of all weapons ownership in U.S. because of a U.N. treaty craziness, and that all pollsters are biased except one, see article on Rasmussen below.
As a Democrat, I know many in my party are crazy as helll, with the 9/11 conspriracies, the war on women, Bush owned by oil companies, and Bain capital silliness, etc. but it just seems so many more brilliant, intelligent people in the GOP actually buy into things like this.
Also, you as a party, need more going for you than just: We Hate Obama.
Rasmussen Reports polls get the election really, really wrong
For the past year conservatives have put their trust in one pollster and one pollster alone. While nearly every other pollster showed President Obama leading throughout the last year’s presidential race, Rasmussen Reports consistently showed better numbers for Romney, and had Romney leading through much of the last month. Conservative pundits claimed that Rasmussen was the only pollster showing the true state of the race, even though previous studies suggested that Rasmussen’s numbers actually leaned too far to the right in previous elections. The Election Day results are now in, and Rasmussen was not only off in their projection, but far off in many cases. Consider the following numbers:
•Rasmussen’s last national poll had Romney with a one point lead (49 percent to 48 percent). Obama ended up winning by two points (50 percent to 48 percent). •Rasmussen had Romney winning Virginia by two points (50 percent to 48 percent). With 97 percent of precincts reporting Obama is winning Virginia by three points (51 percent to 48 percent). •Rasmussen Reports final Iowa poll had Romney winning the state by one point (49 percent to 48 percent). With 96 percent of precincts reporting Obama is winning Iowa by six points (52 percent to 46 percent). •Rasmussen had Romney and Obama tied at 49 percent in Wisconsin. With 98 percent of precincts reporting Obama is currently winning Wisconsin by seven points (53 percent to 46 percent). •In Colorado, Rasmussen Reports had Romney winning by three points (50 percent to 47 percent). With 90 percent of precincts reporting Obama is winning Colorado by four points (51 percent to 47 percent). •In Ohio, Rasmussen Reports had the race tied at 49 percent. With 90 percent of precincts reporting Obama is currently winning the state by two points (50 percent to 48 percent). Rasmussen’s biggest problem was they consistently had more Republicans in their samples that Democrats, even though other pollsters showed Democrats outnumbered Republicans. The actual election results proved Rasmussen and Chambers wrong. Exit polls from yesterday show that Democrats actually outnumbered Republicans by six percentage points. This is largely attributable to the fact that many former Republicans now identify themselves as independents. The other pollsters accounted for this conversion. Rasmussen Reports did not.
These margins of inaccuracy may not seem like much, but the other pollsters, such as Public Policy Polling, We Ask America, and Survey USA, did get their predictions right, which proves that it was possible. In many cases, like in Wisconsin, Rasmussen Reports strayed far from the average of other pollsters. Over the last year, Rasmussen has consistently been to the right of the Real Clear Politics average of polls, and now the election results prove that they “wrongly right.” This fact is worth keeping in mind as Rasmussen releases polls in future years for the 2014 midterms and the 2016 presidential election.
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Rasmussen and so many Joungers couldn't have been
Nov 7, 2012, 2:07 PM
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that wrong. Obama stole this election!@
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Rock Defender [53]
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I understand your point, but the converse just got
Nov 7, 2012, 2:17 PM
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Obama elected. The campaign wasn't a forum on the pros of life under Obama, it was speculation of the cons of life under Romney. In short, I think "We Hate Republicans" won this election and is going to be tough to overcome in 4 more years too.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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yep...
Nov 7, 2012, 2:23 PM
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I agree with some of what he posted as well, but Obama's campaign was based on fear. Obama did what he accused McCain of doing in 2008, something about if you have no record you have to paint your opponent as someone to be feared. Apparently that wasn't just a figure of speech for him.
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Oculus Spirit [82972]
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I get that but the GOP just seems to fear so much more,
Nov 7, 2012, 3:13 PM
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the media, muslims, heck anyone different.
I do think many on the left bought Romney being evil because of Bain which was BS.
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All-In [28802]
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everyone has their scapegoats...
Nov 7, 2012, 3:24 PM
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but the ones the right is accused of having are usually in some protected category, as opposed to the left's scapegoats (religion, the south, rich people, white people, etc.)
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Virtuoso [670]
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i think that's an incorrect analysis
Nov 7, 2012, 3:25 PM
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i think in the homogenous world that is the republican south, people are too quick to assume that because no one THEY know or hang out with agrees with Obama's policies, that no one anywhere agrees with them. i think there are lot of intelligent, hard working people who have more to do than discuss politics all day are on board with his policies then you might think.
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you're a student right?
Nov 7, 2012, 3:39 PM
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You do realize Obed has lived in a number of big cities, and might have a little more life experience than you?
Your comment about the south actually displays more provincialism than what you see in the south. For instance, you might want to check the polls for how the southern states voted. NC was decided by 1%, Virginia was decided by less than 1%, SC was decided by about 10% and so was Georgia. Meanwhile, in the "heterogenous" north, Obama won Rhode Island by more than 30%, Massachusetts by more than 20%, New York by nearly 30%, and Vermont by 35%. In the enlightened and oh so diverse west, Obama won California by more than 20%, and won Washington by 13%. So if you think the south is more homogenous than other areas of the country, maybe you should get out more.
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Virtuoso [670]
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you should quit jumping to conclusions
Nov 7, 2012, 5:42 PM
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1) not a student 2) at no point did i say that the south is any more homogenous than any other region of the country. i just said that if you live in the south, it might seem that no one actually agrees with obama. 3) i get out plenty and interact with people in business from all areas of the country, which is how i came to the conclusion that not everyone is a republican.
feel free to keep making incorrect assumptions about me.
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Rock Defender [53]
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TL;DR Republicans are good at producing fear.
Nov 7, 2012, 2:19 PM
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fear never inspires.
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All-TigerNet [14751]
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yet a lounge lib extraordinaire posts "romney was to
Nov 7, 2012, 2:20 PM
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white bred to attract other voters"
So who is afraid of things not like them?
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110%er [6208]
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My point was that...
Nov 7, 2012, 2:23 PM
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People of all backgrounds can relate to the President. That's part of the reason he won the election. The same cannot be said for Romney.
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All-TigerNet [14751]
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so its fine to be black bred because you can attract guilty
Nov 7, 2012, 2:26 PM
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white liberals but don't be white bred because blacks won't go for you?
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All-In [28802]
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the term is "whitebread"
Nov 7, 2012, 2:51 PM
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and it has nothing to do with race. It's just referring to a plain, boring person who is similar to a piece of white bread.
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Rock Defender [53]
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I prefer milquetoast. It's classy.***
Nov 7, 2012, 2:51 PM
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All-In [28802]
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Oculus Spirit [82972]
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Re: Of course there is some nuttiness on the left but doesn't
Nov 7, 2012, 3:30 PM
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sure it is. The nuttiness on the left is more mainstream though, as it holds sway in the academy and in urban liberal enclaves. Just take a look at what some people on the academic left are saying sometime. I recently read a paper claiming from a leftist "critical theorist" who claimed that "religious freedom" was actually an attempt to foreclose the various possibilities for what religion could be. They felt it was particularly prejudicial of "religious" people who didn't actually believe anything.
Then there were the folks who claimed Bush was trying to institute a theocracy, others who still think Republicans are going to take away their birth control, and still others who think the jewish lobby controls the government. These are all nutty ideas, but they are treated with more respect than claims about the possibly socialist aims of some liberals, or about the goals of worldwide Islam.
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Rock Defender [53]
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exactly, the dems are run by a far left agenda pushed by
Nov 7, 2012, 5:15 PM
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academia, hollywood, and the media. the left control the narrative. they paint the right as divisive and radical, and people buy it because they don't look at the facts.
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Legend [18334]
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2 things
Nov 7, 2012, 3:18 PM
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gop has always been style over substance. And lately horny white men love these dits.
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Rock Defender [53]
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lmao seriously? Obama is nothing but style and zero
Nov 7, 2012, 5:12 PM
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substance. If obama was white he never would have made it past the 1st few primaries in 2008. He had no experience and no real ideas. He won because he was black, oprah supported him, and the liberal media bought his BS hope n change. Anyone that looked beyond the surface could see obama was a fraud, a liberal elitist, with very very little experience, never had a job, and his entire life he was surrounded by radicals. And last night his speech was more 2008 and not a bit of substance. Just like the past 4 years.
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CU Guru [1660]
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Re: The biggest thing wrong with the GOP right now:
Nov 7, 2012, 3:39 PM
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Is that they are just like the Dems. Please find me someone to vote for in the future.
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Legend [18334]
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I predict Christie will turn Dem
Nov 7, 2012, 4:57 PM
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How bout dem apples?
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Repubs should hire Nate Silver instead.....***
Nov 7, 2012, 5:20 PM
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