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Oculus Spirit [81061]
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Well, to be fair, it ain't the hippies who want ethanol.
Dec 15, 2014, 9:46 PM
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You can blame the farm lobby on that one. They probably won't use it, but they love the stuff!
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Re: hippies are killing the environment
Dec 15, 2014, 10:18 PM
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wow, did you just admit coal is bad for the environment?
But a good point none the less.
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"But if the power supply comes from natural gas, the
Dec 16, 2014, 10:10 AM
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all-electric car produces half as many air pollution health problems as gas-powered cars do."
So there's that. I'm sure all those Tesla-driving hippies in Wyoming, North Dakota and West Virginia feel pretty silly, though.
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110%er [7013]
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An electric car in NW Scar or Charlotte area is powered by
Dec 16, 2014, 10:55 AM
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nuke and hydro, primarily.
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Oculus Spirit [97719]
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Dams that destroy fish habitat. Radioactive waste and
Dec 16, 2014, 11:03 AM
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a constant chance at a meltdown rendering 100 square miles uninhabitable for 1,000 years and waste that no one wants to deal with. Or how about forest destroyed and countless animals displaced so their habitat can be changed to that of a corn field for ethanol?
Pick your poison.
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110%er [7026]
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Besides going down in history
Dec 16, 2014, 1:24 PM
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as the first industrialized nation to to voluntarily burn it's food supply.
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Oculus Spirit [97719]
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Part of the First Law of Thermodynamics is called the
Dec 16, 2014, 10:58 AM
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Law of conservation of energy. Essentially, energy can not be created OR destroyed, it can only be transferred. Electric cars and corm ethanol are not answers, they are just different shells in a shell game.
Have you ever seen a corm field? It is NOT a natural environment. There is very little biological diversity in a corn field. A diverse forest of birds, animals, and plants of all types is leveled to plant ONE crop. ONE plant. And if you're an animal that can't live in a corm field, you're SOL. And the acreage to grow enough corn to fuel 10% of American vehicles is exponentially more devastating than the acreage needed to drill a hole in the Earth.
As for electricity, which fuels electric cars...it has to be generated somewhere. That energy must be transferred from somewhere. Perhaps a huge ### blocking a river somewhere? Or perhaps a coal power plant belching smoke. Or a nuclear power plant which is a ticking radiation time-bomb, with a huge and dangerous mess to clean up eventually. Or how about endless square miles of solar panels needed to harness electricity for your car. Again, very damaging to the environment.
This is a zero sum situation. It's smoke and mirrors. They tell you your car pollutes less, so you buy it. And they are correct, that your car itself runs cleaner. But the fuel for the vehicle is just as devastating on the environment, no matter the form. There's give and take in virtually everything in life, no matter what you are told to believe.
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Re: Part of the First Law of Thermodynamics is called the
Dec 16, 2014, 12:15 PM
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Are you suggesting that solar power and coal power are interchangeable because they're just "different shells in a shell game"?
Certainly you believe that some energy sources are better than others.
We agree that the silly hippies who charge their electric cars on coal power are just playing a shell game. But that doesn't mean that there are no better options.
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ethanol has an entirely different spectrum of problems
Dec 16, 2014, 1:16 PM
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than just being a bad idea for fuel.
But it keeps small engine and boat engine mechanics in business, so it does create jobs. I guess that could be seen as the tax to offset the governmental subsidiaries, er I mean tax credits, given to farmers to grow corn for its production.
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Re: hippies are killing the environment
Dec 16, 2014, 2:07 PM
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The hippies want to get rid of coal that is the cause of the pollution you listed
And the hippies didn't push for ethanol, that was just another handjob from politicians to the corn industry.
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