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Critics of Brownell are basketball ignorant
Mar 5, 2015, 9:51 AM
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Brownell is certainly one of ( if not best ) the best pure coaches of the GAME basketball that we have ever had at Clemson. I will agree that recruiting better basketball players is a part of his job and hopefully he can do this though CU is a very tough sell in the ACC with who he recruits against. The X and O and "type" of basketball criticism is way off base ! OP recruited "athletes" and created chaos by pressing all the time. When he got into a game in the NCAA however and a GOOD team forced him to play a half-court game he could not do it. Virginia plays a deliberate game very successfully they just have better shooters. Clemson is a tough place to consistently win in basketball but we have a good solid coach and if we are smart we will do all we can to keep him.
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Re: Critics of Brownell are basketball ignorant
Mar 5, 2015, 9:53 AM
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I love the argument that Purnell recruited "athletes"
Mar 5, 2015, 9:57 AM
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Booker, Stitt, Rivers etc were more than just athletes, they were very good basketball players.
I agree that CBB is an X and O guy. I just don't think he can recruit and thus he cannot execute his system.
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fact - OP recruited more scorers than BB has
Mar 5, 2015, 11:04 AM
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Stitt - Book - Oglesby - Rivers - Jerai Grant - Hammonds
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You could put Potter on this team now and he would score***
Mar 5, 2015, 11:41 AM
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agreed... I was always a fan of David's ....although he got
Mar 5, 2015, 11:42 AM
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bashed on here quite a bit
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I remember a game against Purdue in the ACC/Big Ten Challege
Mar 5, 2015, 11:43 AM
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Where David Potter was the only reason we won.
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I always thought he had a really good skill set and was a
Mar 5, 2015, 11:46 AM
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tough matchup for people. He was the type who could emerge in OP's system.... long, rangy, athletic
good player
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OP did get him here...he showed his best play under Brad***
Mar 5, 2015, 11:54 AM
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both Grant and Stitt b/c scorers their Sr. year under BB
Mar 5, 2015, 11:56 AM
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Those are the two guys I always think about when I think about player development under BB. I thought he did a great job with those two...
Grant in the paint and Stitt's jumper improved tremendously
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I definetely think he played well, but he only averaged
Mar 5, 2015, 12:01 PM
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double figures the one year with Brad
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I'm not sure where I'm disagreeing with that***
Mar 5, 2015, 12:03 PM
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I think it's a stretch to call him a scorer***
Mar 5, 2015, 12:14 PM
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he was a scorer for us his Sr. year... in order for us to
Mar 5, 2015, 12:16 PM
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win games.. which we did, both he and Stitt had to score
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They did***
Mar 5, 2015, 12:17 PM
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Re: fact - OP recruited more scorers than BB has
Mar 5, 2015, 10:19 PM
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Great memory...Hammonds was a player, and everyone on your list would have been a star on this year's team.
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Re: Critics of Brownell are basketball ignorant
Mar 5, 2015, 10:02 AM
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A couple of questions:
How were OP's guys just athletes? Brownell has yet to bring in a guy who shot 35% from 3 for the season. Booker, TO, Rivers, Potter, Stitt, Young, and Hammonds all shot at least 37% from 3 for a season.
How does a great coach consistently lose to mid major teams? When facing that level, it isn't a talent issue. It is motivation or coaching. We have lost 11 games to mid majors under Brownell. Purnell lost 3 games to that level in his 7 seasons.
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Re: Critics of Brownell are basketball ignorant
Mar 5, 2015, 10:07 AM
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Harrison and Ajukwa both shot 35% or above last year...
Season before that Roper shot above that mark....
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Re: Critics of Brownell are basketball ignorant
Mar 5, 2015, 10:22 AM
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Good call on roper. Completely forgot about his % a couple seasons ago. Regardless, our shooting % as a team is down which adds to our consistent offensive struggles.
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Re: Critics of Brownell are basketball ignorant
Mar 5, 2015, 10:27 AM
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not say it is not just correcting your wrong statement.
Harrison Ajukwa and Roper are Brownell guys.
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Re: Critics of Brownell are basketball ignorant
Mar 5, 2015, 10:24 AM
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All ANY coach can do is put players in a position to get good shots. He cannot make it go in the basket folks. This is more frustrating to coaches and players than it ever is to us as fans no matter what we think. I'm just saying if keep doing/saying things that run off coaches such as BB we will never have any consistency. CU is probably realistically a 10 year project as far as basketball is concerned. As far as losing to mid-majors you see more of that across the board as more of them are very competitive. N.C. State lost to Wofford this year.
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^^^^this is why we will always suck at BB
Mar 5, 2015, 10:28 AM
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10 yr project?????
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Re: Critics of Brownell are basketball ignorant
Mar 5, 2015, 10:38 AM
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117, YOU DO REALIZE YOU ARE DEALING WITH IDIOTS THAT OBVIOUSLY NO NOTHING ABOUT THE GAME I TAKE IT.
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Re: Critics of Brownell are basketball ignorant
Mar 5, 2015, 10:44 AM
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Yes but I am trying to be nice remember!
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Re: Critics of Brownell are basketball ignorant
Mar 5, 2015, 10:51 AM
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WELL THAT IS JUST YOU BEING YOU. LOL
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Clemson is a tough sell, but add to that his style
Mar 5, 2015, 10:25 AM
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and add to that his deamanor, and you have a horrible combination for recruiting at Clemson.
I've always said, he'd do great at a basketball school, but he is a horrible fit for Clemson imo.
He will never get the recruits he needs here.
To sell at Clemson, you need an exciting style imo.
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Re: Clemson is a tough sell, but add to that his style
Mar 5, 2015, 10:28 AM
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Maybe if Brad got a couple of tatts and started hanging out with rappers it would help. I know all those other head coaches in the league have wonder demeanors.
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you gotta admit,
Mar 5, 2015, 10:33 AM
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everything about he screams boring white dude. Compare that to Dabo, and it's night and day.
OP had that grumpy demeanor, but he had the black thing going for him in recruiting.
Barnes, was a good recruiter and he had that I'll kick Dean Smiths ### attitude.
Brad is
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Re: you gotta admit,
Mar 5, 2015, 10:36 AM
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mot of them are boring, old white dudes. roy williams, jim boeheim, larry williams, etc...
but yeah, I get what you are saying.
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our coach is droopy dog???***
Mar 5, 2015, 11:58 AM
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Re: Clemson is a tough sell, but add to that his style
Mar 5, 2015, 10:29 AM
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Typical response of the world we live in today. Everyone wants instant gratification. There is no appreciation for the art of how the game is supposed to be played. Example as one old coach once said "The dunk and blocked shot are the idiots delight " !
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Re: Clemson is a tough sell, but add to that his style
Mar 5, 2015, 10:53 AM
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IDK, that old coach sounds pretty bitter that he didn't have hops.
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Re: Critics of Brownell are basketball ignorant
Mar 5, 2015, 10:31 AM
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I think the op and athletes statement is just as ignorant..plus that's not accurate bc one of those tourney losses was a very close game in which we lost our best shooter within the first few minutes ( Oglesby )... we never went on shooting spells like we do now and it's his job to recruit and if he's such a great x and o guy then these kids should be developing into great players right?
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Re: Critics of Brownell are basketball ignorant
Mar 5, 2015, 10:36 AM
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These players he has now have showed little if not any improvement since BB has had them. Knowing the game is one thing but teaching it is another.
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You don't think Nnoko has improved?
Mar 5, 2015, 10:45 AM
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Blossomgame?
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blossomgame, yes. nnoko seems to have gone backwards?
Mar 5, 2015, 10:56 AM
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from what i've seen[not a basketball "purist"] that brad is a terrific teacher of the game. i don't see too many people question that, there are some no doubt.
i imagine he'd flourish at an indiana or purdue that recruits itself as a basketball school. he's got 2ish more years at clemson i think.
i hope he makes the magic happen...
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Re: blossomgame, yes. nnoko seems to have gone backwards?
Mar 5, 2015, 11:04 AM
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agree, and hall did not improve much over the summer either. Jordon Roper just looks happy to be out there.
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the players have improved...Nnoko is kind of weird...
Mar 5, 2015, 11:52 AM
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improved greatly between two season ago and last year...this year he's kind of flatlined/regressed. Roper is going to struggle because he's playing two guard in a pg's body...kind of short/small for 2. Jerai Grant made tremendous improvement under BB.
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Re: Critics of Brownell are basketball ignorant
Mar 5, 2015, 11:00 AM
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overall I am a BB supporter BUT we still keep doing absolutely stupid things that should have been corrected YEARS AGO!!We keep throwing the ball to the other team even when not under pressure.We still have guys that simply can not catch a good pass. we keep throwing the ball to the big guys below their knees and it is another turnover.Our foul shooting is still absolutely horrible!
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Its idiotic to say "he's the best coach we've ever had"
Mar 5, 2015, 11:03 AM
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then you dont judge him based on his results on the court. All you do is make excuses for him.
I could say, I'm the greatest coach in clemson's history...except I've never coached at clemson. Makes about as much sense as your stupid argument and excuses.
there is an awful lot more to being a great coach than X and O's. Dabo proves that. He's probably one of the least knowledgeable X/O coaches there ever will be in college football. But he's spent a bunch of money hiring the best assistants possible, and they cover up his shortcomings.
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Re: Its idiotic to say "he's the best coach we've ever had"
Mar 5, 2015, 11:12 AM
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You are a chicken fan we dont really need advice from a program that has not won an NCAA Tournament game since Nixon was in office.
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Tigers Own
Mar 5, 2015, 11:21 AM
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you cocklovers. always have. you need to worry about your pathetic basketball team in the worst league in america. plus, the mere fact you are wake forest in fball - a few decent yrs and back to mediocrity. pitiful.
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If West Virginia can recruit great, so can we ....
Mar 5, 2015, 11:36 AM
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The argument that BBall players don't want to play for Clemson is bunk ..
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Booker....Stitt....KC Rivers were GREAT basketball players
Mar 5, 2015, 11:41 AM
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not just great athletes...GREAT basketball players. KC was an awesome basketball player. David Potter was a good basketball player. To say he only recruited athletes is a bit of a stretch. Booker is a better basketball player than anyone Brad has recruited to Clemson.
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Could not agree more
Mar 5, 2015, 11:45 AM
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KC Rivers was one of the best basketball players to ever put on a Clemson uniform.
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agreed***
Mar 5, 2015, 11:46 AM
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would agree.....Trevor was/is a beast
Mar 5, 2015, 12:24 PM
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there's no one on this current roster that comes even close to him. Not even close.
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Question.
Mar 5, 2015, 11:56 AM
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From the OP:
"When he got into a game in the NCAA however and a GOOD team forced him to play a half-court game he could not do it."
So what happens now when we get to an NCAA game? Just curious.
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Blah blah blah blah blah
Mar 5, 2015, 12:00 PM
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Brownell is a great coach and everybody that disagrees doesn't know #### about basketball.
Same old song and dance.
When Brownell takes us to the ACC championship game then you can compare him to OP.
Until then you're just insulting Purnell.
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Re: Critics of Brownell are basketball ignorant
Mar 5, 2015, 1:12 PM
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you're a ########....
I swear. It's amazing at the level of stupidity that some show in this forum.
I've never seen a guy protected like BB has been....Never.
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Re: jeebus, here...
Mar 5, 2015, 1:29 PM
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Beet me 2 it
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+ juan, that was very helpful.***
Mar 5, 2015, 1:28 PM
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We've definitely solved losing in the first round.***
Mar 5, 2015, 1:57 PM
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hahahah.....yes, yes we have!!!!***
Mar 5, 2015, 3:23 PM
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14.5 minutes of not being able to make a basket says hello..***
Mar 5, 2015, 2:56 PM
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