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Rock Defender [53]
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You have to feel for our Admin regarding the ACC
Nov 21, 2012, 11:54 AM
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I'm pretty sure that they are having to weigh the 'academic' side of this situation to the 'athletic' side. CLEMSON has taken much pride in being the 'academic' leader of SC and many of us hope that continues. Going to the SEC does absolutely nothing but tarnish that IMO. I never, ever view the SEC as anything other than 'athletic', even though they have some quality schools. While many of us would prefer that, those Admin in charge of making decisions for CLEMSON's future probably look deeper into this. I personally don't see CLEMSON going anywhere anytime soon. There are just too many reasons to remain in the ACC. The big problem is - that NONE of those reasons are 'athletic-related'. Good luck to those having to fight this battle.
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Re: You have to feel for our Admin regarding the ACC
Nov 21, 2012, 11:56 AM
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I'm sick of academics driving conference affiliation. It's the biggest bunch of BS philosphy there is.
Nothing is written in stone that you can't have great academics in a conference with schools that have low academics. Nothing says we have to change our standards at Clemson if WV is added to the ACC.
This philosophy will be the end to Clemson as a major athletic school.
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You have to feel for our Admin regarding the ACC- ^^this^^
Nov 21, 2012, 12:03 PM
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you want to make money off your athletics so you look for the best deal there. academics is a separate and unrelated issue. WHY CAN'T PEOPLE GRASP THIS???
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Starter [361]
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The only people I feel for is the fan base who has to read
Nov 21, 2012, 12:28 PM
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The latest comments from an administration who is either the most pc in the world or the most confused. Hard to tell but if they are attempting to be pc to the fan base who obviously reads the latest as not good, they are failing or either do not care
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a CONFERENCE doesn't make or break ACADEMICS......
Nov 21, 2012, 11:57 AM
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going to the SEC would not "TARNISH" our academic reputation.......our administration could achieve whatever "harvard goals" they have in mind regardless of what ATHLETIC conference you're in.
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Re: a CONFERENCE doesn't make or break ACADEMICS......
Nov 21, 2012, 11:59 AM
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Florida and Stanford are prime examples.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: a CONFERENCE doesn't make or break ACADEMICS......
Nov 21, 2012, 12:02 PM
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I guess I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, 'cause I would prefer the SEC myself for my own personal reasons. CLEMSON would be a perfect fit for the SEC. I've never understood why the SEC can't see that. I guess it's that 'stupid' thing that the SEC does so well.
Anyway - looking at the SEC, Vandy is obviously the exception academically, and we see how well they emphasize their sports programs. Hopefully, CLEMSON would never follow that scenario. That would suck. Maybe I'll die before we do something that ignorant.
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Legend [19576]
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Re: a CONFERENCE doesn't make or break ACADEMICS......
Nov 21, 2012, 12:05 PM
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Vandy football has gotten tons better the last few years.....money
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All-Conference [425]
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really?
Nov 21, 2012, 11:59 AM
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You don't think vandy is any good academically? Conference affiliation has very little bearing on academics. If we joined the sec our diplomas would be worth just as much as they are in the acc.
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Re: really?
Nov 21, 2012, 11:59 AM
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Another prime example....
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Whatever. An athletic conference exists solely for
Nov 21, 2012, 11:59 AM
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athletic competition. I don't see Vandy, UF or UGa suffering academically because they play in the $EC. The whole academic standing argument makes no sense to me.
Conversely, btw, I don't see Sakerlina gaining any academic prestige because they compete with Vandy, either.
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Bingo.***
Nov 21, 2012, 12:41 PM
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Legend [19197]
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This is so dumb. We cut out own throats in so many ways for
Nov 21, 2012, 12:03 PM
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what? A ranking in a magazine that many don't even read? Sigh.
I hate the wine and cheese elitism that has crept into Clemson since my days as a student.
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Re: If we were in the SEC we would rank 4th in academics..***
Nov 21, 2012, 12:08 PM
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Re: I met w my former dean a few months ago
Nov 21, 2012, 12:12 PM
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I go into his antique furnitured office where he is sipping tea out of a fancy china cup. he was very cordial but I just thought back to my time and clemson and seriously wondered what the heck the educational mission is other than inflate Barkers ego and stature. it is not a place I recognize
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CU Medallion [64519]
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Our administration seems imperceptive to the fact....
Nov 21, 2012, 12:09 PM
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that a school can be great both academically and athletically regardless of what the other schools in the league are or are not doing. Those other schools should not and do not dissuade or impede your school form its academic mission.
Georgia and Florida are two prime examples of schools that manage to do it in a laegaue riddled with a bunch of schools with poor academic rankings.
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that's total baloney...a conf doesn't make your academic
Nov 21, 2012, 12:11 PM
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reputation...you make that on your own. My neighbors in Woodstock GA don't make my reputation..I make that through my daily actions.
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CU Medallion [67711]
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Re: that's total baloney...a conf doesn't make your academic
Nov 21, 2012, 12:13 PM
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very true and since you brought it up we've been meaning to talk to you about it. 
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Legend [18133]
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Re: that's total baloney...a conf doesn't make your academic
Nov 21, 2012, 12:17 PM
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I want him to get those stupid pink flamingos off his front lawn. Are you with me?
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110%er [7913]
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they are staying along with the Christmas lights
Nov 21, 2012, 12:20 PM
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I leave up all year!
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CU Medallion [64519]
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So...that's your house !?!?!?***
Nov 21, 2012, 12:24 PM
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CU Guru [1053]
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Vanderbilt.***
Nov 21, 2012, 12:19 PM
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110%er [7831]
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Being affiliated with unc
Nov 21, 2012, 1:08 PM
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Really makes our academics.... Especially athletic academics look better
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110%er [6155]
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No, I don't feel bad for anyone. Barker could have
Nov 21, 2012, 7:28 PM
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motioned for Swofford's removal long ago.
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CU Guru [1898]
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Guys, I think we think that Barker,
Nov 21, 2012, 9:29 PM
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the BOT, and the athletic department are sleepwalking about conference defections, alignments, etc. Their job is to run the university in the best possible manner. Athletics is a huge, huge part of it. The alumni and fan base is a huge factor also. You can bet that they are weighing options, what ifs and so on. That's their job and I am confident that they are doing that. The last thing they will do is to let the public (us) in on their discussions. Look at Maryland, they obviously had been having discussions for quite awhile - but still surprised everyone. Clemson's leadership will get it done if and when it is time to do so. They are not oblivious to what is going on around the country.
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Re: Guys, I think we think that Barker,
Nov 21, 2012, 9:35 PM
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U sure have TONS MORE confidence in our admin, BOT and especially barker than I do.. all I know that barker did was vote to raise the exit fee to 50MIL!!
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CU Medallion [51986]
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There is another side to it as well...Faculty
Nov 21, 2012, 9:34 PM
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The faculty has always given Barker and other administrators h3ll about athletics. I have been in some meetings that were not pretty.
Having said that, I feel sorry for no one. Failure of leadership on more than one level has brought Clemson and the ACC into this bad situation. It is our leaders' jobs to get it done, so to speak.
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Re: There is another side to it as well...Faculty
Nov 21, 2012, 9:40 PM
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Faculty needs to be reminded that the big donors not only to IPTAY but to general scholarship/building funds are mostly big football supporters as well!
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Orange Blooded [3921]
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this is actually not true.***
Nov 21, 2012, 9:43 PM
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CU Medallion [51986]
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What is not true?***
Nov 21, 2012, 9:44 PM
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Orange Blooded [3921]
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it is not true that most of the big donors to
Nov 21, 2012, 9:47 PM
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Clemson general funds are Football fans. That is simply not true.
Most of the big donors are corporate entities. Clemson must keep academics pointed in certain directions because of this.
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CU Medallion [51986]
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Not all are supporters of the athletic dept.
Nov 21, 2012, 9:51 PM
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However, many are...they buy up the executive boxes in Death Valley.
The lowering of academic standards at Clemson is simply not going to happen.
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Orange Blooded [3921]
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right..a small percentage
Nov 21, 2012, 9:51 PM
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certainly not most..
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Re: There is another side to it as well...Faculty
Nov 21, 2012, 9:44 PM
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I think they have been, but the administrators have a fine line to walk. However, that is what they get paid the big dollars to do--make it work.
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Athletic Dir [864]
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Well let's see..case in point
Nov 21, 2012, 9:55 PM
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dabo Alabama graduate and no better representative for us. Well spoken ..smart guy....hmmmm?
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110%er [7657]
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Yes - all the donors are chanting ACC Physics and CU biology
Nov 21, 2012, 9:58 PM
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The football program sustains itself. Go Tigers!
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