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Topic: Breaking News: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Just Proposed
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Breaking News: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Just Proposed


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 9:40 AM
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a new tax on college football teams that win more than 10 games. She proposed that all wins over 10 will be taxed at 70% with those tax collections being distributed to "the poors" of the sport. Looks like good news for the Coots, they might squeak out a 10 win season now.



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Re: Breaking News: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Just Proposed

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 9:42 AM
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Why are men so scared of this woman?


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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 9:52 AM
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The stupid is real.

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 9:52 AM
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Because she’s openly admitted to being a socialist and elected to public office by idiots who produce nothing for society.

Google Venezuela right now to understand what socialism does to a country. Has nothing to do with her sex, race, etc... she’s just an example of how scary the future is with millennials electing public officials that have 0 understanding of our constitution.


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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 9:56 AM
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Allowing government to redistribute wealth only adds to the power of the government, which is the real goal. Before you know it, you wake up and have zero control of your life and are totally dependent on the government which quickly runs out of other people's money. Every socialist nation has found this to be true.

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 10:27 AM
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Obviously a social democrat gave this a thumbs down.

How to fix democracy-

If you get more in benefits from the government than you pay in to the country in taxes, you don’t get to vote. When people getting benefits can overwhelm the vote of those paying the bills and vote themselves more benefits, democracy fails.

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Re: Breaking News: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Just Proposed


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 12:35 PM
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I wonder if the people who TD this post believe everyone should be able to walk into a grocery store and take what they want off the shelves without paying? Same basic principle.

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Democracy always fails in diverse nations

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 1:11 PM
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They only function well, in their purest form, in small countries where everyone is the same race, religion, morals, etc. If the United States functioned as a pure democracy, we WILL fail. That's why we are a republic. In form and function that is how we were created. Democratic, yes. But functionally a REPUBLIC.

Between the 14th and 16th Amendments, that balance has been shifted. We function less and less like a republic as time has progressed. Today states are limited in funds, taxing power, and their ability to function semi-autonomously. 50 distinct states, with the power to tax, make laws freely, and satisfy THEIR citizens, that's how you keep everyone happy. When Washington dictates everything, you automatically tick off half the people. Abortion is a good example. If it was a state issue, Californians would be happy getting abortions and people in SC would happy outlawing them. Want one? Go to California. Hate them, move to SC. Whatever. But make it legal everywhere, and that makes a lot of people unhappy. Gay marriage, same thing. Environmental laws, same thing. Regulations, same thing.

Our founding fathers never envisioned a federal income tax. And for a very good reason. States would tax, and then donate some, each, for the federal government to function. That greatly limits the power, and size of the federal government to a size commensurate with STATE funding. Bypass that and go straight to individuals income, and you are mitigating the power of the states to keep their citizens happy. So we're all unhappy. Conservatives. Liberals. Everyone.

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Re: Breaking News: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Just Proposed


Posted: Jan 28, 2019 1:19 PM
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Then would you care to explain to me why U.S. Taxpayers dollars are given to corporations in the form of tax breaks, incentives and grants?

Why is this kind of wealth distribution ok?


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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 9:59 AM
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I don’t agree with her, but just curious, how does this reflect the lack of understanding for the constitution? 16th amendment gives Congress the power to levy taxes as they see fit, not the other way around


You are the fool

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 10:05 AM
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I bet you don't mind taking your kids to good schools paid for by tax payers? I bet you don't mind driving to Clemson games on that nice highway 123 or Highway 85 paid for by tax payers?

You obviously love Clemson which is paid for by tax payers.

Its funny how socialism works.

BTW I pay for all of those, and yet the only one I use these days is Clemson Football parking lots.

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Oh, to be young again ... not

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 10:26 AM
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Take a deep breath and think for a moment about your examples (and many other you could have mentioned) stating what "the govt" does for us. Now drink in another idea. If the govt ceased to create or maintain roads, would roads cease to exist? Would schools cease to exist? The question you should ask is who creates the best and most cost efficient (fill in the blank - roads, schools, etc)? If govt controls (fill in the blank), then there is no competition to improve (fill in the blank).

Not asking you to change your mind, just consider the thought. And don't feel bad, I voted democrat when I was your age too.


Re: Oh, to be young again ... not

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 10:40 AM
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Do you ever ask why the government does roads or schools?

Because the private sector failed at it.

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Private schools do well. Many roads are privately built.

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 10:52 AM
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The Feds build interstates, the States build State roads. All your local roads are built by private individuals or companies and given to the local municipalities for free. We build water lines, pay tap fees and give the water lines to the municipality to sell us the water that goes through the lines that we paid for.

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Re: Private schools do well. Many roads are privately built.


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 11:07 AM
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All your local roads are built by private individuals or companies and given to the local municipalities for free. We build water lines, pay tap fees and give the water lines to the municipality to sell us the water that goes through the lines that we paid for.



This is a misrepresentation of what happens, especially for manufacturers. The state or local governments generally cover these costs or offer a FILOT to where they company doesn't lose money by building the infrastructure.

What percentage of US roads are private roads? What percentage of k-12 students attend private schools?

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You are incorrect. I've been building roads for over 20 year

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 11:11 AM
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Re: You are incorrect. I've been building roads for over 20 year


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 11:18 AM
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Then answer the question. What percentage of roads are privately built and maintained?

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Re: Private schools do well. Many roads are privately built.


Posted: Jan 28, 2019 8:20 AM
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This simply isn't true. The feds don't build interstates. They authorize them and then states build and maintain them. Sometimes states seek federal grant dollars to build them. Sometimes they don't. But they're always state projects, which is why North Carolina has built Interstate 73 and South Carolina hasn't.

States maintain most roads. Municipalities have some roads, but many prefer to have as few as possible because they're so expensive.

Private roads aren't built much except in areas with major development. Local codes often dictate things like how a new subdivision must build its road. Since a subdivision only makes money once (selling the properties) it can generally afford to build the road, but not maintain it in perpetuity, so it will often be transferred to a local or state government. If a road is to be kept private in a residential area, the HOA must do it.

Some business complexes may build and keep a road since it will have continuing income. In SC, most counties designate private roads with a different color sign(green for public, blue for private) so you can tell how often you encounter private roads.

As for water lines, your statement makes it seem like that if a water line is built with public money (they're not all built with tax money) the water should be free. But maintaining a water system for 50 years is more expensive than building it. It needs constant repairs, the pumps have to run constantly, water storage must be maintained, treatment chemicals must be purchased, and the employees to keep it all running must be paid. Your water bill pays for operation and future capital investment.


Not correct at all with this statement.***


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Re: Not correct at all with this statement.***


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 11:00 AM
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It's absolutely correct, but I understand why you don't want to acknowledge it because it destroys any credibility to your argument.

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LOL-nope, your statement is still not fact-based and is


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 11:03 AM
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wrong. Just because you believe something is true doesn't make it true.

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Re: Oh, to be young again ... not


Posted: Jan 28, 2019 9:42 AM
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Literally impossible to say "the private sector failed at it" when the private sector has never been given the opportunity to do so.


Re: Oh, to be young again ... not


Posted: Jan 28, 2019 10:07 AM
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The private sector had thousands of years and never figured out.

Was that not enough time?


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Re: Oh, to be young again ... not


Posted: Jan 28, 2019 12:42 PM
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I'm sure without the government, absolutely no one anywhere at all ever would be able to figure out how to build a road.


Or a cell phone, or a computer, or start a bank, or build a car, or design a vast international investment system that helps fuel innovative ideas which go on to establish organizations which create trillions of dollars of products and services that lead to vast economic prosperity.


Yeah, no way we could possibly function without the government.


au contraire mon frere


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 12:12 PM
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I do not wish for my children to attend government mandated schools. I am the product of private school and a college graduate. i would love to get the money that the government confiscates from me so I could direct my children's education

As for Clemson, yes its a state institution that receives a very small percentage of all monies from the state.

Yes, roads are ONE of the things that governments are supposed to support.

If we could get government to do what they are SUPPOSED to do and not get into all of the things they have no business in, we would be a lot better off.


Re: au contraire mon frere


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 2:12 PM
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This is such a simpleton argument.

Clemson University wouldn’t exist without public funding nor would it continue to operate without federal and state funding.

Even most private colleges rely on federal and state monies to remain in business.


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Re: au contraire mon frere


Posted: Jan 28, 2019 9:43 AM
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~75% of Clemson's funding is private, fyi


Re: au contraire mon frere


Posted: Jan 28, 2019 10:04 AM
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Source?

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Re: Breaking News: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Just Proposed


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 10:39 AM
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Venezuela is in shambles because it's a third world country with corruption, economic mismanagement and undemocratic governance. It has nothing to do with socialism.

Socialism clearly works in the US.

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 10:43 AM
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I’m so glad it’s you 09 making that argument. For a second I was worried a Clemson fan could be this ignorant but luckily I saw you finally crawled out from the rock you’ve been crying under after Clemson eviscerated your SEC bell cow.

Also, if I send you my paypal information will you send me half your paycheck? I’ll be sure to take half of what you send me and buy some fast food for the homeless but I don’t feel like working as hard every week so a 1/4th of your paycheck to support me would be appreciated. Cheers to socialism in America right?


Wrong again. Venezuela is rich with oil but mismanaged by


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 10:57 AM
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the socialist government.

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Re: Wrong again. Venezuela is rich with oil but mismanaged by


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 11:09 AM
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Oh look a poster doesn't understand current oil prices.

I guess ignorance truly is bliss.

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Why so triggered this morning?

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 11:22 AM
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Do current oil prices impact how much oil a country has buried underground? Hmmm, I'll have to google that to understand the relationship between geology and economics. I never knew geology was dependent on economics. I always thought geology was about dirt, rock, and old stuff in the ground.

What you're saying is that Venezuela doesn't have tons of oil because of oil prices??? I know I have to be misunderstanding you. Please tell me I'm misunderstanding you.

Seriously though, since this post is on the football page of Tigernet (or was on the football page), I want to remind you that the OP was making a joke about how bad your football team is. Lighten up on this fine Sunday morning.

And remember, your second favorite football team is the 2018-19 National Champions!

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Re: Why so triggered this morning?


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 11:30 AM
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Why are you so opposed to logic?

You argued Venezuela was a wealthy country because it has lots of oil. It seems you don't understand that oil prices affect how much that oil is worth.


It's depressing that you're able to ignore logic on some strawman geology argument. But that idiocy explains why we have an idiot in the white house.


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Good Lord man! You present no logic for your

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 11:57 AM
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argument... I'll give you mine.

I understand oil prices and the impact on the market as a buyer and seller.

I also understand that there has not been a successful socialist government in the history of the World. Ever.

I understand one of the reasons socialist governments do not work is corruption, as you've stated.

My argument is that Venezuela has the potential to be one of the richest countries in the World because of it access to oil (regardless of current oil prices-they have always been variable). Corruption and mismanagement in the socialistic government and the government run oil fields prevent success. Variable oil prices do not prevent profit from oil production or refining. These prices do impact profit margin.

To argue that Venezuela has a corrupt government makes my point that socialism doesn't work in SPITE of having natural resources that most governments make money with (re: Azerbaijan, Armenia, Turkey, USA, Russia, etc...).

BTW, Go Tigers! ;)

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Re: Good Lord man! You present no logic for your


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 2:31 PM
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Every single first world country is a socialist country including the one you live in.

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Re: Good Lord man! You present no logic for your


Posted: Jan 28, 2019 9:49 AM
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No, it literally is not.

You have absolutely no idea what socialism is.

Trust me, as someone with a bachelors and masters in Political Science.

Socialism is a failure. There is a reason that Capitalism has produced the richest, wealthiest countries in history. There is a reason that every year, more and more countries adopt a Free Market, capitalist model based on Globalism (Free Market international trade).


Also, to clarify, "Globalism" is not the same as "Globalist".

"Globalism" is an international economic model based on the American model of Liberal Economics (Free Trade/Capitalism), which uses economies of scale and comparative advantage to grow. "Liberal" in this case does not mean "Liberal Demcorat", but a form of Classic Economics that emphasizes free trade among peaceful, like minded democratic republics based on Democratic Peace Theory (aka "The McDonald's Peace Theory").

"Globalist" is an Alex Jones-esque propaganda term to describe how "Muh Libruls" want to push PC culture around the world.


Women are afraid of her too.

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 9:55 AM
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She crazy

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Re: Breaking News: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Just Proposed

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 9:56 AM
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https://www.countable.us/articles/16711-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-smartest-democrats-need-stop-trying-squelch-people-calling


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Re: Breaking News: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Just Proposed


Posted: Jan 28, 2019 8:46 AM
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high gum to tooth ratio


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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 10:33 AM
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lets see, she worked her way through Boston university, started her own publishing company and was elected to Congress before the age of 30. Pretty #### impressive to me. what have you done besides call her stupid on a college football message board? I don’t agree with her policies, but she certainly not stupid, she’s done more with her life that 90% of people out there, And she’s only 29


Re: Breaking News: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Just Proposed


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 10:37 AM
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Just listen to a single one of her interviews and get back to me. She may not be dumb but she is severely uneducated on any issues. She even makes an outlandish statement, gets called on it, and then tries to be charming while she laughs and says she is not the expert. She is only so popular because she is young, female, and attractive. I don’t see how you can deny that.


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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 10:45 AM
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nope can’t deny that. She’s young, different and full of energy , but also inexperienced. I just hesitate to call people stupid simply because they may not be the best in front of a camera. Thanks for the levelheaded response, most people would just called me a “libtard” and offer no rebuttal, and i’m neither liberal nor a tard


But she is ignorant. That's a fact. Listen to her. She needs


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 10:55 AM
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schoolhouse rock.

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Re: Breaking News: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Just Proposed


Posted: Jan 28, 2019 9:50 AM
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She doesn't even know what the 3 branches of government are, or how a bill becomes a law.


She is stupid.


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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 9:57 AM
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I don't know a single man scared of her. She just makes it too easy to laugh.

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Lighten up Francis it’s called satire***

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I’m not afraid I would just rather have congresspeople

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 10:06 AM
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That have brains (her education is thin) or experience (very thin) and not get elected just because of her pandering to an ethnic group that is clueless on the galactically ludicrous clown they toed in.

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Re: Breaking News: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Just Proposed


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 11:12 AM
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men aren't. trump supporters are.


Re: Breaking News: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Just Proposed


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 12:53 PM
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Conservatives love her. They want to make her the face of he Dem party.

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That should work as well as making Nancy Pelosi the face of


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 1:24 PM
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the Democratic Party heading into the mid-terms.

How's that working out for them? :)

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Re: That should work as well as making Nancy Pelosi the face of


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 1:34 PM
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Not very well. Pelosi is a pro and owned Trump who still an amateur. Anyway, they love the extreme views of Cortez and want to make her the face of the Dems.

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She's one of 435 House members. Trump is the president.


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 2:03 PM
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Trump is the face of the GOP. Democrats don't have to even try to make him the face of the party. He is the face, the head, the ass, etc.

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Re: She's one of 435 House members. Trump is the president.


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 2:11 PM
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Exactly. They act like she has more power than she has and that all Dems in the US want people just like her. It's just a scare tactic. They want to really focus in on her though.

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The coots are lucky we...

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 9:49 AM
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allow them to live in our state. I motion we expel them to Georgia or Tennessee where they belong. Can I get a second, testify!

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Re: The coots are lucky we...


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Where do I sign?

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The GOP is who stopped the tax deduction for IPTAY donations

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 10:00 AM
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yet you guys want to make fun of a young woman who is doing everything to help people that are in the lower income tax brackets like most of the people on TNET.

It's mind boggling how brainwashed people are against their self interests.

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Just donate to Wellspinng church..$ Goes the same


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Place.... jeez too ez

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Re: The GOP is who stopped the tax deduction for IPTAY donations

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Lol doing everything to help who? Socialism doesn't work, she doesn't care about people. She is a joke, and any giving her credit for bro,g anything other than a glorifued bartender is, well, a Democrat. Lol mad at GOP for taking away tax deductions for Iptay? THATS your reasoning? Please.

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Re: The GOP is who stopped the tax deduction for IPTAY donations

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 10:07 AM
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I don't want either the rich or the poor to pay one more dime in taxes. It only make the government more powerful. The proper strategy is to reduce the size of the government.

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Re: The GOP is who stopped the tax deduction for IPTAY donations


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 10:35 AM
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Some people don’t live in reality. My tax returns this year are higher than I’ve ever had. I’m middle America who goes to work everyday so I’m not complaining. The problem with the younger people are they are brainwashed into believing socialism is the right approach because corporations are big bad people who only look out for themselves. They also hire 1000s of us and pay us every 2 weeks for working.

Try google... it’s a heck of a tool. Read a few articles about Venezuela to see how socialism works. Maybe we could send AOC there since the two share so many similar interests and beliefs. I hear Venezuela is a nice place to visit nowadays.


Why shouldn’t people that are in the lower income tax brackets

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Posted: Jan 27, 2019 10:31 AM
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help themselves? Why does the government have to do it?


In typical liberal fashion, no response, just a thumbs down.

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There's something in these hills.


Dude, OP was obviously making a joke. Why so defensive?

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Laugh a little...

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Re: The GOP is who stopped the tax deduction for IPTAY donations


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 2:20 PM
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You spelled that wrong. The term is called "mind bottling".

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the new democrats

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Re: the new democrats


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 2:47 PM
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We need one with a fiscal conservative of the old Repubs and then Trump next to him. Repubs love spending now, but just on different things than people like Cortez want to spend it on.

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Re: the new democrats

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Whenever I hear Conservatives ##### about "big government" I cant help but laugh.


The coots will be lucky to get 6 wins next year. Looks like


Posted: Jan 27, 2019 11:15 AM
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they will be counting on us to win in 2019!

Go Tigers!

UofSC sucks!

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Bad Analogy. Redistribution of Wealth in CFB happens


Posted: Jan 28, 2019 10:57 AM
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We do something similar already with the bowl payouts that each team agrees to when they join a conference. In the case of the ACC, all bowl income is split evenly between the 14 conference teams. It redistributes money paid to larger, more successful programs like Clemson to the smaller, less successful schools in the conference.

One question you might ask is why this is important for the league to do, and why it is important for Clemson to do. In theory, the redistribution should make the league stronger, and more competitive. Many people hate to think this way, but as a conference member, in a sport which favors strong schedules, would you agree that it is actually important to help our conference schools field competitive programs?

Debating what percentages we tax more successful people in order to make the collective nation stronger are appropriate. It is a healthy one to have, but I think it is more important for us to think about why we do it at all.


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