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It's not really being tested for (publicly), but it explains a lot. We should open up, and do it smartly. But when this is said and done, I think we will find (and they probably have already found) that staying locked down does less good, especially in urban areas, than they think. I think you're actually more (perhaps ?) likely to catch it totally locked in an apartment in a large apartment building in an urban area, than you are from catching it outside, or in a large, open-air environment. 60% of people who got in in NYC were following stay at home orders. In a nursing home, 85%+ of residents can get it, even with PPE and being confined to their rooms. It runs rampant on ships, even when people are confined to their cabins. It's hard to transmit from surfaces. That leaves the air, and air flow/HVAC systems in particular as the primary mode of transmission.

You should wear masks inside any place, and the more people the more important a mask is. Outside, a mask is probably not effective, and with 6 feet distancing you're probably safe even without a mask. But you can be cooped up totally alone in an apartment in a 30-story building with thousands of apartments and thousands of residents, and if this hangs in the air for hours, you can get it LOCKED DOWN. In fact, you may be at no greater risk in an urban area going about your daily life, (with a mask).

The good news from this is most places can open their economies back up, with precautions. The bad news, and why this info would be withheld, is that it would cause a mass exodus from urban areas, especially people who live in multi-unit apartment complexes that share circulated enclosed air. And even in hard-hit rural areas, where people don't live in an urban environment, if you look closely at hard hit rural areas, the spread is usually tied to a common vector, usually a prison, nursing home, or meat processing plant. An enclosed place with a lot of people, and circulating air.

You get a rural county with 12% of the population infected and you panic, but if you look closely, the cases are 1,000 inmates in a prison, or a meat packing plant, or several nursing homes in a rural county of 10,000 people. In a urban area, you're sol. You're no less likely to catch it working (with a mask) than staying at home alone without one if you live in a large building near thousands of other people, all breathing, some sick, and it spreads through the enclosed air. That's the calculation that comes from this. And with social distancing and masks, it CAN be controlled in most rural and even suburban areas. Wearing a mask in a large grocery store with 50 shoppers may be less dangerous than sitting alone in one of 2,000 apartments in a large building in NYC.

Anyway, just a theory. Explains a lot anyway.

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I beg to differ.

May 23, 2020, 5:45 PM

There was a doctor in Washington who was told by the CDC to stop testing and quit messing in their business. I'll look it up, hold on. <img border=

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‘It’s Just Everywhere Already’: How Delays in Testing Set Back the U.S. Coronavirus Response
A series of missed chances by the federal government to ensure more widespread testing came during the early days of the outbreak, when containment would have been easier.

"In late January, the first confirmed American case of the coronavirus had landed in her area. Critical questions needed answers: Had the man infected anyone else? Was the deadly virus already lurking in other communities and spreading?

As luck would have it, Dr. Chu had a way to monitor the region. For months, as part of a research project into the flu, she and a team of researchers had been collecting nasal swabs from residents experiencing symptoms throughout the Puget Sound region.

To repurpose the tests for monitoring the coronavirus, they would need the support of state and federal officials. But nearly everywhere Dr. Chu turned, officials repeatedly rejected the idea, interviews and emails show, even as weeks crawled by and outbreaks emerged in countries outside of China, where the infection began....

The failure to tap into the flu study, detailed here for the first time, was just one in a series of missed chances by the federal government to ensure more widespread testing during the early days of the outbreak, when containment would have been easier. Instead, local officials across the country were left to work in the dark as the crisis grew undetected and exponentially.

Even now, after weeks of mounting frustration toward federal agencies over flawed test kits and burdensome rules, states with growing cases such as New York and California are struggling to test widely for the coronavirus. The continued delays have made it impossible for officials to get a true picture of the scale of the growing outbreak, which has now spread to at least 36 states and Washington, D.C.

Dr. Robert R. Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said in an interview on Friday that acting quickly was critical for combating an outbreak. “Time matters,” he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-delays.html

‘It’s Just Everywhere Already’: How Delays in Testing Set Back the U.S. Coronavirus Response

A series of missed chances by the federal government to ensure more widespread testing came during the early days of the outbreak, when containment would have been easier.

"But in doing so, it detected participants that had presumptive tests for Covid-19 including a teenager at a Renton area high school. The school closed for a time as a precaution.

The Times reported that representatives of the CDC and the FDA discussed the testing of the flu samples and told researchers to stop testing, but the Flu Study’s institutional review board determined it would be ‘unethical’ for researchers not to test."

https://komonews.com/news/coronavirus/seattle-flu-study-allegedly-tested-samples-for-covid-19-against-federal-state-guidelines

Seattle Flu Study researchers defy federal, state guidelines to 'save lives'

For months, Seattleites had been volunteering swabs of their nasal cavity as part of a one-of-a-kind study to track the spread of flu throughout the city. The same type of sample is what’s needed to test for COVID-19. Since the study began late last year, nearly 2,500 samples had been collected. Now researchers are involved in a controversy following a New York Times story that makes the claim that samples were tested for COVID-19 against federal and state guidelines.

So no, the CDC and FDA stood in the way of identifying and containing the virus at early onset of the epidemic. Thus, CT88 lashed out at Trump over letting the CDC, FDA and NIH run amuck and Felix and company landblased CT88 for his criticisms because 'science,' and Fauci...knew all there was to know...when in fact they all should have been in Washington assisting Dr Chu insteading of running their moufs.

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So you guys still loving Fauci?

I wonder why that link didn't work?

you must not have been wearing your tin foil hat

I sleep in this hat.

Re: I wonder why that link didn't work?

Fauci 'mask don't help,' then 'mask help.'

Re: Fauci 'mask don't help,' then 'mask help.'

I am well aware of what happened, Felix.

Re: So you guys still loving Fauci?

I have a theory.......

Re: I had a theory.......

One thing I learned. These doctors and suopposed scientists

Re: I had a theory.......

I know you're old, so am I.

Re: I know you're old, so am I.

I beg to differ.

The data seems to support your theory

I think the global warming scientist are the ones

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