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Xavier Thomas Sack


Posted: Aug 30, 2019 2:02 PM
 

Any reason why his sack in the first quarter didn't count in the stat sheet? ESPN shows him having 0 sacks on the game.


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Posted: Aug 30, 2019 2:09 PM
 

I thought he had 2. No doubt he had 1.


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Posted: Aug 30, 2019 2:18 PM
 

Yep at least 1.5 now that I saw him and Davis just got a sack together too. Let's see if more pop up.


It was a read option, right? That's a running play, not a

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Posted: Aug 30, 2019 2:28 PM
 

drop back.

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Yeah, i just rewatched the play. That's a TFL, not a sack***


Posted: Aug 30, 2019 2:31 PM
 



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Re: It was a read option, right? That's a running play, not a


Posted: Aug 30, 2019 3:04 PM
 

How does it adjust when a QB is tackled behind the line of scrimmage? That's the definition of a sack quite literally. In the definition it even reads "if he's unable to find a back to hand the ball off" which is again quite literally what happened. My question is legitimate I'm not trying to argue I just don't understand how it's not a sack.


I don't know why they score it that way


Posted: Aug 30, 2019 3:16 PM
 

It's definitely subjective at times.

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Re: It was a read option, right? That's a running play, not a


Posted: Aug 30, 2019 3:17 PM
 

I agree, even if it was a read option, he still had the option to throw while behind the LOS so it should be a sack.


Re: It was a read option, right? That's a running play, not a


Posted: Aug 30, 2019 3:35 PM
 

A RB can still throw a pass while behind the LOS too. Should those TFLs count as sacks?


Re: It was a read option, right? That's a running play, not a


Posted: Aug 30, 2019 3:43 PM
 

So I see you're attempting to make a point. But the definition of a sack states the quarterback behind the LOS not "any player that can throw a forward pass"..


Re: It was a read option, right? That's a running play, not a


Posted: Aug 30, 2019 3:46 PM
 

I'm pretty sure it's due to the option style. I'm assuming it's been that way for a while against GT the past 10 years.

I'm assuming it has to do with the QB actively looking for a pass, not on a designed read option, or triple option type of play.

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Re: It was a read option, right? That's a running play, not a


Posted: Aug 30, 2019 9:00 PM
 

It also states that it must be obvious that the quarterback either intends to throw a forward pass or is still in the pocket without a clear, discernible objective for the play.


Re: It was a read option, right? That's a running play, not a


Posted: Aug 30, 2019 9:52 PM
 

I know what was obvious. XT was our most disruptive DE. Head scratcher on the separation discussion.

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Re: It was a read option, right? That's a running play, not a


Posted: Aug 30, 2019 4:00 PM
 

That's the definition in the NFL. It isn't as cut and dried in college.


Re: It was a read option, right? That's a running play, not a


Posted: Aug 30, 2019 4:05 PM
 

It's not the authoritative final answer but Wikepedia says

To be considered a sack the quarterback must intend to throw a forward pass. If the play is designed for the quarterback to rush (run) the ball, any loss is subtracted from the quarterback's rushing total (and the play is ruled a tackle for loss as opposed to a sack). If the quarterback's intent is not obvious, statisticians use certain criteria, such as the offensive line blocking scheme, to decide. Unique situations where a loss reduces a quarterback's rushing total (not a sack) are "kneel downs" (used to run time off the game clock).

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Re: It was a read option, right? That's a running play, not a


Posted: Aug 30, 2019 4:13 PM
 

It seems pretty clear that the QB (or other back eligible to make a forward pass) exhibits an intent to pass, then it's probably a sack. Determining intent to pass is part of the statisticians job.

From the NCAA FOOTBALL
STATISTICIANS’
MANUAL
Including Special Interpretations
and Approved Rulings
Covering Unusual Situations

PASS SACKS: If the defensive team is credited with the sack
of a player who is dropping back in an apparent attempt to
pass, the same principles outlined above again apply. A player
credited with a solo pass sack on the play is also credited with
a solo tackle and a solo tackle for loss.
In the case of two players getting credit for an assisted pass
sack (with no player being credited for a solo pass sack), each
player would also be credited with an assisted tackle and an
assisted tackle for loss.
If a potential passer fumbles the ball before contact by
the defense or receives a wild pass from center, no pass sack
is credited to any individual player or team if the off ensive
player simply falls on the ball. If the player regains possession
of the ball and continues to attempt to make a passing play,
credit the sack and tackle to the individual player(s).
Lost yardage on pass sacks is given entirely to the player
with a solo pass sack, and lost yardage is split equally between
two players with assisted pass sacks. If the yardage lost is an
odd number, then the yardage split shall be at the discretion
of the offi cial game statistician.
In determining pass sacks, take into consideration a case
in which a quarterback or another off ensive player makes an
apparent attempt to pass while being chased and goes out of
bounds behind the line of scrimmage.
In that instance, give the solo pass sack, solo tackle and
solo tackle for loss to the primary chasing player who, in the
opinion of the offi cial game statistician, caused the passer
to go out of bounds. For plays that end either on the line of
scrimmage or beyond, there is no pass sack credited but rather it is considered a rushing play. There can be no pass sack
without loss of yardage. Clarifi cation: When a quarterback
retreats to pass, but is pressured into bringing the ball down,
is forced to scramble and is tackled before gaining the line of
scrimmage, the defensive player who exerted the pressure is
credited with a solo pass sack, a solo tackle, and a solo tackle
for loss for all the yards lost. This play is akin to a defensive
player forcing a quarterback who is attempting to pass out of
bounds before his gaining the line of scrimmage.

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Re: Xavier Thomas Sack


Posted: Aug 30, 2019 4:01 PM
 

Given that the Tech QB was not actually going to pass the ball very often, I'd expect that the QB runs were marked as TFL rather than sacks.

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