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New Story: Swinney not here to protect feelings; it's all about a championship

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 7:29 AM
 

 
Swinney not here to protect feelings; it's all about a championship

It seems as though not everybody agreed with Dabo Swinney’s decision to try for an onside kick in the third quarter of the Tigers’ eventual 56-10 win over Boston College Friday night. And that’s ok. He doesn’t have to make an angry segment of the fans happy, and he doesn’t have to make sportswriters happy. Full Story »



He'll hurt my feelings if we don't hang 70 on the coots.

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 7:36 AM
 

Sorry Charlie (Whitehurst), but records are made to be broken.

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Re: He'll hurt my feelings if we don't hang 70 on the coots.

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 10:15 AM
 

Absolutel...hang at LEAST 70 on them.

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We will. I think Dabo felt sorry for Elliot but Muschamp is just an entitled #########

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 11:57 AM
 

If Dabo doesn't want to hang 70 on Muschamp and his band of window lickers after the "your wife was hitting on me" comment somethings wrong. You can say he was playing around if you want but he was intentionally trying to embarrass Dabo. There's a lot of players playing their last game in Death Valley. I know Ben and Deshaun will show up ready to mercilessly beat some coot arsse

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Re: We will. I think Dabo felt sorry for Elliot but Muschamp is just an entitled #########


Posted: Oct 10, 2016 12:44 PM
 

I'd love to see 70, but Carolina actually plays decent defense. Where they really stink is on offense. I would imagine something in the order of 35-3, with the Tigers pounding and hounding the Coot qb all over the field. :)


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Cannot think of better time to practice the onside kick

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 7:39 AM
 

- live action and up by 30+ is perfect for that. Why wait until you have to try it? I have no problem at all especially considering the 3rd quarter play we have had this year to date.

I hope we get to practice it more while being up by 30+ again. :)

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Re: Cannot think of better time to practice the onside kick


Posted: Oct 10, 2016 9:29 AM
 

I thought the exact same thing! Perfect practice time!

People get mad when he doesn't run the score up, then they get mad when he does... It doesn't make any sense to me.


Re: Cannot think of better time to practice the onside kick

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 9:43 AM
 

Maybe different people?

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Re: Cannot think of better time to practice the onside kick


Posted: Oct 10, 2016 2:32 PM
 

I hope we're successful the next time we "practice" it.


The timing of trying to work new things live game was perfect.


Posted: Oct 10, 2016 2:57 PM
 

As the game was clearly not in doubt. While the score meant they wouldn't win BC was still hustling, so you got "live game" effort from the opponent. If you get it, great, if you dont, the way the D played you feel good taking that chance. Ok, they scored. I'm sure the chickens would find a way to spin it like they do their magical 5 point schtick, but in the grand scheme, working on new things, and creating depth at your #2&3's can't be subsituted.
I'm amazed at how many people are suprised that we have done well after losing so many defensive starters. Look at how many of those freshman are getting live snaps, and rotated in. That means by the time they are starters, they have played beside veterns a lot, and are fairly experienced. Pretty good philosophy for a guy who so many still think of as just a cheerleader or CEO. Well this CEO now cheers for a top fortune 500 company.

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Yes, it's more than okay.

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 7:43 AM
 

Did you all see Saban's frustration with his secondary on the last play of the Ala/Ark game?

He has enough championships to know what it takes.

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Re: New Story: Swinney not here to protect feelings; it's all about a championship

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 7:51 AM
 

I totally agree with Coach Dabo. There were times when Clemson didn't keep the gas pedal down do to speak.


Keep that hammer down!!***

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 7:55 AM
 



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Re: New Story: Swinney not here to protect feelings; it's all about a championship

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 7:56 AM
 

I'm happy that he has realized that it is the opponents responsibility to stop us---not ours! Dabo continues to mature as a head coach & he's responsible for our teams complete preparation. Put the players in each & every potential situation so they are familiar with it at any time in future games. That's a champions mindset!!

I'm also happy that he is playing as many of the backups--2s, 3's and 4's-- and they are gaining experience for the future.

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 8:00 AM
 

I hate media outlets. No one complained when Michigan went for two and GOT IT against RUTGERS, college football's worst team.

Oh, by the way, they hung 78 on them with starters still in till the last play.


That's more than okay

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 8:01 AM
 

It's the one element that has been missing from this program. I'm sick and tired of playing to protect a lead, only to see the other team have a chance to win the dadgum game. When we get 'em down, we need to rip their hearts out and hand them to them. Then bring in the subs to continue the onslaught, not just hand the ball off to eat a little clock on the way to three-and-out. Killer instinct. Domination. Imposing our will from start to finish.

I want to see the subs practice that, not just coming in to sit on a lead. Let them practice imposing their will. It's not our job to stop ourselves, right? So why volunteer to do it?

If Scott Shaffer wants to cuss Dabo, call him a waaambulence. Let Donald Trump grab his kitty parts. Who cares?


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Re: That's more than okay

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 8:30 AM
 

Kitty parts... Classic.

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Re: That's more than okay

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 8:53 AM
 

Yep! I never heard that term, but I think I'll have to use it in the future.

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Re: That's more than okay

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 9:43 AM
 

Don't forget my $1. ;)

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Re: That's more than okay


Posted: Oct 11, 2016 8:55 PM
 

I gave you 2 +1's. That's about all I can do on here. I will say, "Good post", though.

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Kitty Parts!!!!!!

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 10:08 AM
 

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Re: That's more than okay

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 9:15 AM
 

H&LL yea, let the subs develop the same killer instincts as the starters, have the 2s and 3s stepping on the throats of our opponents also!!! Stomp a mud hole in their AS$ES and teach the subs how to walk it dry, GOOOOO TIGERSSSSS!!!

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Re: New Story: Swinney not here to protect feelings; it's all about a championship

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 8:02 AM
 

Totally OK with playing to our standard. However, I don't think we needed that play at that point on the game. Gave them great field position and I would rather save that wrinkle for when it's needed.
Wasn't going to effect that game either way so why do it?
With that said, the man can coach so keep on keeping on brother!


Re: New Story: Swinney not here to protect feelings; it's all about a championship

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 8:09 AM
 

That's exactly the point it couldn't change this game but it could be a difference in the future and you want live game experience when it does.

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Re: New Story: Swinney not here to protect feelings; it's all about a championship

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 9:19 AM
 

Bc he is the HC in charge, and that was what he wanted to do, and he doesn't have to get anybody's permission to do so, all he has to do, is to do it his way. His way has been working, and if he see's a way to make it even better he should go for it!!!!

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Re: New Story: Swinney not here to protect feelings; it's all about a championship


Posted: Oct 10, 2016 9:44 AM
 

I think you just answered your own question.


Michigan says "Hi" after hanging 78 on Rutgers (A D1 school)

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 8:21 AM
 

It's called "Eye of the Tiger" and we will not apologize for being nicey-nice anymore.

You wanted "Throat stomping" mentality...well its here now.

Go Tigers!


Michegan just kept running the ball


Posted: Oct 10, 2016 9:45 AM
 

the ballboy got a few carries too. They had like 3 different players with 100 yards rushing.

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 9:27 PM
 

except their coach wasted plays throwing the ball. Dummy!!!

GO TIGERS!!!

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Dabo's got it on straight

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 8:34 AM
 

though most people, including writers, pundits, fans, don't really get this "best" stuff. Cain's lack of following directions being a perfect example. He did his own thing, not what was best for team, and this can be very costly down the road when it comes up again.


Re: New Story: Swinney not here to protect feelings; it's all about a championship

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 8:35 AM
 

Right!

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well, alright, Dabo!!!!

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 8:40 AM
 

to be honest, I didn't realize that was an onside kick - I was going what kinda kick is that?!!


Re: New Story: Swinney not here to protect feelings; it's all about a championship

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 8:57 AM
 

I say do it your way coach, bc your way has worked pretty dang good so far. Another thing coach, I'm happy that you're willing to step on our opponent's neck, in fact I would love to see you jump up and down on their throats!!!

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Did anybody write up Michigan and Harbaugh going for 2 Pt. conversion

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 8:59 AM
 

in their 78-0 win. Good Lord media, please quit with stupid worthless stories. It's football and you either stop the other team or you don't, why is it Dabo or Clemsons responsibility to "stop" playing hard.

Article writer should be fired!!


I wonder if USC feels comfortable

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 9:03 AM
 

with its onside kick coverage!?

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Coach had every right to be upset about the play right

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 9:16 AM
 

before the half ended. They called a timeout to set that play up and Cain still did not go down immediately. Kudos to Swinney for not being content and wanting more out of his team.


Re: Coach had every right to be upset about the play right


Posted: Oct 10, 2016 11:46 AM
 

I agree 100%. Deon has made a mistake off the field, now on the field. Please, no more dumb #### plays!


Dabo has grown into a #### of a coach***

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 9:24 AM
 




Re: Dabo has grown into a #### of a coach***

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 9:29 AM
 

FINALLY! ! ! You cant be everybodies best friend in football when youre trying to win a Natty


Heres my thoughts on this

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 9:27 AM
 

I have been extremely disappointed in Dabo for playing a "friendly" game of football for all these years. Taking his foot off the pedal when we are up a couple scores and more times than not the team making a come back. I love that man to death but his bleeding heart is one thing i have had too much of when it came to not running a score up to put a game completely outta reach. The tOSU's, Bamas, Louisvilles (this season), FSUs (of seasons past), & Michigans of the college world dont take their foot off the other teams neck and they are looked at as "Championship" teams because they are demolishing opponents. If it came down to 2 teams, one being Clemson & one being a team that has demolished people who do you think would get into the playoffs? I dont care what others say, style points matter nowadays. Glad Dabo is finally seeing the picture. Go Tigers! ! !


Re: Heres my thoughts on this


Posted: Oct 10, 2016 10:31 AM
 

Have you even watched or read any sports analysts this year? Try to find a few who aren't predicting us in the CFP. We'd all like to see 100-0 but the fact still remains...Win em all and we're in. We're not Houston/Boise/et al. Clemson is a championship caliber team regardless of your doomsday scenarios.


Re: Heres my thoughts on this


Posted: Oct 10, 2016 12:14 PM
 

Take no prisoners Dabo !

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I thought Mack Brown did a fine job explaining why a coach

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 9:30 AM
 

would do such things during a football game. He basically said (over and over) - a coach has to prepare his team for these situations for when they actually matter.

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 9:48 AM
 

And hopefully Dabo has finally come to noticing that as a HC, and the nice guy Dabo has taken a step back to re-evaluate the nice guy gestures he has played since becoming HC!!!

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ive never been a fan of running up the score on anybody but...


Posted: Oct 10, 2016 10:41 AM
 

If it's the gamecocks I might be ok with it! ;)

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Re: New Story: Swinney not here to protect feelings; it's all about a championship

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 10:46 AM
 

To Coach Swinney:

Ignore the nea sayers.

Regarding the onside kick: Consider me in full support of what you did. It is about coaching. It is about teaching. It is about learning. I get it. I got it the minute you called the play.

Regarding your discussion with Cain: If I screw up, even at my age, I still expect to get a firm voice of reason come my way. Anyone should. To not expect discipline is prideful. And there is a lot of self centered people out there. I get it and I got it the moment I saw it.

Being prideful and having Pride are two very different things. Apparently not everyone understands that.

It is arrogant of peple to even question your motives or decisions. As long as you are doing the right thing. And it seems to me you are doing the right thing.

Keep up the amazing work you are putting in place with these young men. It is truly a blessing to watch and from which to learn.


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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 11:00 AM
 

again, these things usually work on the practice field. Try it in a game when its not on the line. And when 2nd and 3rd teams are in -let them go. you might need them in a critical situation. I remember when the 81 team hung 84 on Wake Forest and the media tried to get their coach to blast Danny for running up the score. His answer was it is Clemson's job to run their offense, its our job to stop them and we didn't.


It was pretty clearly a classless move which is why there is

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 10:51 AM
 

so much talk about it.

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Re: It was pretty clearly a classless move which is why there is

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 11:01 AM
 

and it is why your pulse keeps going down. Crawl back under your rock if it didn't wash away.


Re: It was pretty clearly a classless move which is why there is


Posted: Oct 10, 2016 11:04 AM
 

FOOTBALL


Awww.... are your feelings hurt....Nice coaches finish last***


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Re: New Story: Swinney not here to protect feelings; it's all about a championship

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 11:04 AM
 

I've been begging for a 60 min complete game for quite awhile now. Last year we literally took our foot off the gas every 3rd qtr. This ain't a lil boys game, don't feel Sry for nobody. I loved every bit of the B.C. game, you never know when you really need to kick an onside kick(saban), go for 4th down late, or a late 2 min drill to win it. It was all good live game practice.


Hallelujah praise the Lord!

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 11:04 AM
 

I want to see this throat cutting, butt stomping, bone breaking football, been waiting on it, worrying we either didn't have it or wouldn't do it. These Politically Correct press box slime can kiss it. This is and should only be about CLEMSON. Stop us if you can.

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Re: Hallelujah praise the Lord!


Posted: Oct 10, 2016 11:43 AM
 

Wonder what they wrote about Michigan 78 Rutgers 0?


It's a dumb move, but has nothing to do with sportsmanship


Posted: Oct 10, 2016 11:53 AM
 

BC is a full member of the ACC. They have access to the same resources as we do. They choose to not support football as we do. Thats completely different than running up the score on SC State or Furman etc where they don't and can't play on the same level footing as Clemson.


But why it was a dumb move is that there is no reason to show that we have that play in our playbook when we are up 32 in a game where we don't need the points. Its kinda like how we showed the pass play to Wilkens out of the jumbo package with him and Big Dex against Troy. There are some things that you just don't need to have on film for other teams to scout.

And the whole needed the practice mantra doesn't fly either. We practice against ourselves. Our 2nd teamers are better than BCs 1st teamers.


HURT FEELINGS?!?!?!

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 11:57 AM
 

Like most of you, I'm a die-hard Clemson fan and haven't missed a home game in years.

Though opinions are like @**holes and most stink, here's mine:

5 years ago we were happy to beat Carolina.
4 years ago we were happy to have a 10-win season
3 years ago we were happy to beat ranked opponents on main stages and keep the glory that made this team relevant
2 years ago we were happy to not have to hear about Clemsoning due to a HC that adamantly defends this university and team.
1 year ago we went to the national championship and had Alabama use every trick in the book to beat us any way possible. (a 5-time winner in the last 10 years) and made that the best NC game in the last 15 years.

Clemson fans: get the F over it. This man loves this university - he's not scandal-plagued - he's actually a great role model for the kids on the field - he's not stupid - doesn't say dumb sh*t on interviews and is a good person in general.

If you're problem is that he tried an onside kick (as practice) while routing BC........GET OVER IT.


Some people really LOOK for things in life to b*tch about. Don't be one of them.


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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 12:23 PM
 

Go get them coach. A good team needs to go 100% and not back down. Do i think Dabo would blow out Furman, no, but If the chance arrives he should Bama. Dabo I have your back. Make a decision, enough said.


Folks on all sides need to think a bit more critically . . .


Posted: Oct 10, 2016 12:34 PM
 

first of all, let's not reduce it to an "angry segment" of the fanbase. The motive of wanting to practice an onside kick in a live game situation is a fine reason, and it suits me, but the basic objection to kicking an onside kick when you're up 35-3 isn't exactly an objection emanating from anger or or being a malcontent fan. Good grief.

But the larger issue of not letting off the gas frequently reduced to arguing against one of two common errors - blind commitment to playing not to lose, and blind commitment to aggressiveness. the trick isn't which to pick, but WHEN to pick which. If, like coach said - if the onside kick was about taking an opportunity to practice that play, then it probably has little to do with whether or not to take their foots off the gas. Although I will say from that transcript that it was a bit confusing, he was asked about the onside kick and then veered off into the play prior to the end of the half. But I take it he was answer about the onside kick too.


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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 12:38 PM
 

What ever it takes to get us back to the natty!


THIS is what I've been SCREAMING for!!


Posted: Oct 10, 2016 12:40 PM
 

The killer instinct! I've called in several times to WCCP to voice my opinion. Dabo lets his foot off the gas too much. Norte Dame, Louisville '15, '16, and many other times. He would get a comfortable lead, and the play calling looked like Rob Spence was back. Teams would score, gain momentum, and we would end up in a dog fight. That could have been a blowout. You don't see Meyer, or Saban get conservative with a lead. You score u til the other team quits. Then, you score some more. I felt this would cost us a big game someday down the road. I hope Dabo has learned this lesson. I think it was the final step he needed to become the best in football. I never want to see complacency in our team. We should run our aggressive offense until 7 minutes remaining in the fourth quarter. If the score is 222-0, Cumberland should have brought som ball players! There's a little Ga Tech reference for ya! I'm glad to see the killer instinct arise! Let's go win the National Championship! See you in Tampa! Go Tigers!


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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 1:08 PM
 

After we HAMMERED WF to the tune of 82-24, the WF coach said" Its OUR job to stop them, not the other way around". And there u have it. Petal to the metal....Go Tigers....

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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 2:29 PM
 

And I personally feel he set the gold standard.

But not everyone coaches like he did.

I love CDS, but I wrote an email to a friend almost a month ago that Coach Swinney

had taken the desire for a championship a little too much to heart.

It appears he feels he has to win one while Watson is here

or possibly he'll have missed his best chance.

JMHO....

As for the on-sides kick: not classless, and kudos to BC

for having their team ready to defend it.

Fact is, they were better prepared Friday than we were in the Natty. Just saying.

Coaching is about preparation, preparation, and preparation,

and that doesn't change with the score or the stakes....


Wooden actually won 10 championships


Posted: Oct 11, 2016 12:27 AM
 

And I agree that he sets the Gold Standard but I think Dabo is more like Wooden than not. For example, he wants the team to play to a certain standard, focusing on the team's own performance instead of the opposition, which was also one of Coach Wooden's primary trademarks. Similarly, Dabo doesn't want the team to worry about things out of its control but simply be the best team it can be.

Think it's important to remember that Wooden coached some of the greatest players to ever play college basketball (Alcinder and Walton, in particular, just to name a couple). One thing both Dabo and Wooden quickly recognized is that talent is the single most important factor to forming a championship team. Gotta have great coaching, but without great players, a team will only get so far.


Great to see Dabo and Big Ben stand up for WINNING FB!***


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Posted: Oct 10, 2016 7:08 PM
 

do not feel it's necessary to apologize for success. I love the "will not be denied" mindset in everything coach Swinney teaches. Give them #### coach!

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Re: New Story: Swinney not here to protect feelings; it's all about a championship


Posted: Oct 14, 2016 4:54 PM
 

Me like it a lot.


Man...if he starts on Deshaun's Heisman run using them


Posted: Oct 14, 2016 5:21 PM
 

SID facts(BC no 1 defense in the nation, head-to-head outcome w/ no 1 and no 2 candidates(same position mind you!, etc)then expect a meteor to do us all in. This is simply too good to be true.

YIN. We r knee-deep in YIN. All YIN and not a trace of YANG. You folks are, without a doubt, living right. I may go give blood and refuse payment.


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