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Heisman Winner [111526]
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Stunning speech just now by Senator Romney
Feb 5, 2020, 2:24 PM
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I remember how much I loathed him when he ran against Obama, but I just gained a tremendous amount of respect for the man.
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Typical
Feb 5, 2020, 2:29 PM
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All-In [47795]
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yeah, the dem crowd in her wants to
Feb 5, 2020, 2:32 PM
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give oral to John Bolton now
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The only good Republican is a dead Republican
Feb 5, 2020, 2:37 PM
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The only bad Democrat is a dead Democrat. That's the mantra.
On the other hand, there are an awful lot of idiot cultists who completely change their opinions of somebody based on how that person treats Trump.
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Heisman Winner [111526]
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Re: Typical
Feb 5, 2020, 6:29 PM
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you could not be more wrong. I do not agree with Romney on much of anything and personally I would prefer to see Trump Voted out. I said I gained respect for him because he has the moral conviction to stand up for what he feels is right, knowing good and well that he will be attacked by this president and by his own party.
And I would have accepted an official statement from the GOP like... "We acknowledge that he is guilty but feel that the severity of the crime did not merit removal from office." Instead we got "well I am sure he learned his lesson and won't do it again".
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All-TigerNet [10871]
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Won’t do what again?
Feb 6, 2020, 12:56 PM
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His heavy handed foreign policy won’t change and Graham said the Bidens will be properly investigated....sooo what’s not going to happen again?
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Legend [18018]
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He understands that History will remember
Feb 5, 2020, 2:30 PM
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one of the few in the GOP that seem to understand that basic truth.
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Lot o points [155809]
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or
Feb 5, 2020, 2:33 PM
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30 years from now he’ll be no more memorable or significant than Walter Mondale or Michael Dukakis.
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Legend [18018]
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sure***
Feb 5, 2020, 2:34 PM
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Lot o points [155809]
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Yeah***
Feb 5, 2020, 2:35 PM
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Legend [18018]
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you betcha***
Feb 5, 2020, 2:35 PM
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Lot o points [155809]
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YOLO***
Feb 5, 2020, 2:36 PM
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Legend [18018]
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Re: YOLO***
Feb 5, 2020, 2:38 PM
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I think it’s respectable that he’s sticking to his guns
Feb 5, 2020, 4:13 PM
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I don’t think history will remember him as as being some hero.
We live in a world that cycles too fast.
Remember when we were in an uproar over the super bowl halftime show?
Good for him, but he won’t be in history books for this
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Legend [18018]
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Considering the historic nature of impeachment
Feb 5, 2020, 4:39 PM
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and especially this impeachment, I disagree.
We'll have to wait and see what the narrative history chooses for this moment will be.
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Legend [15216]
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I respect anyone willing to cross party lines.
Feb 5, 2020, 2:31 PM
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So dumb how everyone just votes along with their respected party.
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Legend [15216]
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*respective party***
Feb 5, 2020, 2:33 PM
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I really hope the GOP isolates him
Feb 5, 2020, 2:31 PM
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take him off committees etc... NRSC should cut off all funding for his campaigns.
Its one thing if Susan Collins felt the need to vote to save her seat. This is about Mitt and his high brow sense that he's better than everyone else.
I'm so ####### glad I never voted for that SOB.
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Too bad you were so partisan years ago
Feb 5, 2020, 2:33 PM
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He's an honorable person who would rather represent his principles than sell-out to Trump. I question whether he needs to go out of his way to annoy Trump-ites, but you really can't say anything critical of Trump or how Trump operates without annoying them. He could've taken the Lamar Alexander or Marco Rubio option, though.
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Legend [18018]
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and sound like idiots? Doubt he wanted to go that route***
Feb 5, 2020, 2:36 PM
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In this case, you're being partisan again
Feb 5, 2020, 2:38 PM
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You may disagree, but acknowledging what Trump did with regard to Ukraine while also not think it's worth removing the president over makes plenty of sense to a lot of people.
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Legend [18018]
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No it doesn't.
Feb 5, 2020, 2:46 PM
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"We agree the president interfered in the election and asked for a foreign country to interfere in our elections for his personal benefit but we think he probably learned his lesson (despite his refusal to acknowledge he did anything wrong) and won't do it again. So, despite his trying to interfere in the election (and welcoming assistance from a foreign country in his first election) we think the best thing is to just leave him alone and not do anything."
That's their arguments.
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you mizzpelled Pierre Delecto...hth***
Feb 5, 2020, 2:37 PM
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Re: you mizzpelled Pierre 'Defecto'...
Feb 6, 2020, 9:50 AM
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and I know that helps.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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doesnt change my thoughts on Romney
Feb 5, 2020, 2:40 PM
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As far as moderates go. He seems like a good and genuine person.
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yeah, with binders full of women
Feb 5, 2020, 2:41 PM
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does he claim to be a moderate? I thought he claimed to be a conservative, no?
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I think he claims conservatism...
Feb 5, 2020, 2:43 PM
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But heck, Trump is no conservative either
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All-In [47795]
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Trump has taken many conservative actions and positions
Feb 5, 2020, 2:46 PM
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but, yeah, he's no conservative.
He's packed the court with conservative judges - much better record than George Bush on judges.
He's cut taxes - again, much better than dubya
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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agreed***
Feb 5, 2020, 2:47 PM
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All-In [28802]
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And Romney hasn't?
Feb 5, 2020, 2:50 PM
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If you look at who Trump was before actual conservatives got their claws into him and told him which judges to nominate, he was all over the place. He thought his sister was a good person to put on the bench.
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All-In [47795]
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I have exactly zero confidence that Romney would have
Feb 5, 2020, 3:04 PM
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appointed Goresuch or Kavanaugh or many of the other conservatives appointed to the appellate and district court benches by Trump.
I'd bet my first born that Romney would have appointed Merrick Garland if he had been POTUS in 2017.
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eggzackly***
Feb 5, 2020, 3:05 PM
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But somehow you had confidence Trump would?
Feb 5, 2020, 3:38 PM
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Where do you think Trump got the idea to appoint those judges? The fact you think a Republican was going to nominate Garland is... interesting.
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yes, he published a list!
Feb 5, 2020, 3:55 PM
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Romney would have appointed Garland just for the praise from Chuck Todd and the media.
I'm sure Romney hates the idea of a Scalia or Gorsuch so much. His ideal jurist is probably Anthony Kennedy - they're too peas in a pod.
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The fact is, you have no idea
Feb 5, 2020, 4:14 PM
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Romney is and was far more plugged into the groups that came up with that list that Trump is or was. The rest you're just making up because you dislike Romney. One sort of funny thing that's happened is that people like you who so strongly professed to hate "RINOs" in the past now are in love with an actual RINO just because he's crude. There's an almost stunning lack of principle.
As far as Trump goes, look at who he thought would be a good judge before "Establishment" conservatives told him what to think. I suppose it's to his credit that he realized he didn't know anything about the judiciary, so he listened to conservatives who did.
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^^ A lot of truf here ^^***
Feb 5, 2020, 5:41 PM
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All-In [47795]
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you're wrong to lump me in with those
Feb 6, 2020, 9:14 AM
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loving RINOs. I still dislike Lindsey and the others. I'm not enamored with Trump. For me its purely transactional.
I don't love Trump but I do love the fact that there are conservatives on the Court and I have about $50k more in my pocket that would have been in government coffers had Hillary or a Romney won. As an equity partner in a large lawfirm, I benefited mightily from the business income deduction.
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Oculus Spirit [93661]
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The fact is that I didn't believe Trump.
Feb 6, 2020, 9:47 AM
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I knew he was a conman and liar. I did not vote for him. I had no confidence that he would be more faithful to his promises and supporters than I did with any president since Reagan. Reagan did much right as Gov of California.
Without being able to see Trump govern it was impossible to vote. I didn't vote for Hillary either but for a much different reason.
Since seeing him govern and having to swallow to tolerate his uncivilized trolling my confidence in him has grown.
I couldn't tell Romney and McCain from Obama.
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Oculus Spirit [93661]
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He's also spending like Bernie and AOC too.
Feb 6, 2020, 9:49 AM
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That's my only gripe with his governance. I don't like him trolling but that's not a political issue, imo.
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People always want politicians to reach across the aisle
Feb 5, 2020, 2:52 PM
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and vote their conscience until it happens and then they're like FUCK THAT GUY.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Actually, politicians are elected and paid (a lot)
Feb 5, 2020, 2:58 PM
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All-In [28802]
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Lots that's debatable here
Feb 5, 2020, 3:41 PM
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Congressmen aren't elected to just reflect polling in their districts. They're people elected to represent a district, and part of that representation is their personal view of what would be best for their district.
Second, the hate for McCain after Trump freaked out about McCain's criticisms of him is hilarious. It's exactly what I noted elsewhere- Trump's cultists completely changed their minds based on something to do with Trump, which wasn't even substantial. It's like you all want to make politics into a soap opera.
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Re: Lots that's debatable here
Feb 5, 2020, 3:49 PM
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Exactly right...I don’t expect my rep or senator to vote based on polling or what they think will get them re-elected. I truly want them to do what THEY think is best for my district, state, and ultimately...the country. Too many expect blind allegiance to a cause/movement/dogma...and too many politicians are happy to comply in their own self interest.
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Rock Defender [53]
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So Romney is saying that he is wiser and has more morals
Feb 5, 2020, 4:02 PM
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Orange Blooded [3516]
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Pretty evident that he does....***
Feb 5, 2020, 4:09 PM
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I strongly doubt that
Feb 5, 2020, 4:14 PM
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Just the fact that you're so strongly associating Romney with McCain shows what your motivations are.
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Rock Defender [53]
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So now you're telling me what I think
Feb 5, 2020, 4:16 PM
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cam is smarter than, didnt you know that?***
Feb 5, 2020, 4:17 PM
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It's pretty obvious
Feb 5, 2020, 4:19 PM
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The fact is that just about anybody in here is of better character than Donald Trump. That you're trying to make recognition of that fact into a "holier than thou attitude" just shows how scrambled your brain is by the cult you belong to. You won't even let yourself be principled.
Kind of sad, really.
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Rock Defender [53]
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What's sad is you intentionally not reading what is being
Feb 5, 2020, 4:55 PM
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All-In [28802]
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So you just happen to really hate Romney and McCain
Feb 5, 2020, 5:41 PM
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Who just happen to have been two of Trump's most frequent Republican critics. OK. Tell me about other frequent Trump critics in the Republican Party who you like.
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Rock Defender [53]
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A lot Republicans have criticized Trump at different points
Feb 5, 2020, 6:52 PM
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I don't understand this sentiment
Feb 6, 2020, 9:26 AM
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How do you know McCain's vote was personal or because he wanted to appear to be a statesman? This is the same guy who pushed back at his own political rally against the idea that Obama was evil or wanted to destroy the country. With everything he went through during his life, I think the safer assumption is that he had a real reason for voting against the repeal. I mean, he said it was because he thought it was irresponsible to repeal it without replacing it with something else didn't he?
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It’s just so hard to discern motives anymore.
Feb 5, 2020, 3:55 PM
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It’s possible he was just as he said, a man who took the evidence and made an objective opinion. But as he said, he’s confident it won’t matter. Would he still vote that way if he knew it was the deciding vote? Also, we know he does not like Trump. Was this an objective move? Who knows?
I am not sure that I agree with his retorts of the defense’s arguments...and I know I don’t agree with his second point. I just don’t understand how you can say that this was such a blatant abuse of power that it could be cause for removal and doesn’t have to be a crime per se, but then say that Biden’s actions shouldn’t have been investigated because it was just unsavory, and not a crime. That makes no sense to me.
Anyway, good speech.
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Romney sucks. I voted for Obama vs Mitt. ******
Feb 5, 2020, 4:20 PM
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I've done worse to get laid.***
Feb 6, 2020, 9:52 AM
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Re: Stunning speech just now by Senator Romney
Feb 5, 2020, 6:37 PM
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That was an amazing speech and from the heart and soul, right or wrong.
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I respect him voting his heart. It's nice to be able to go
Feb 5, 2020, 6:51 PM
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home and look your wives in their eyes with a clear conscience.
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Oculus Spirit [93661]
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Don't get upset with yourself over your sudden...
Feb 5, 2020, 6:59 PM
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transformation, Romney will vote with Mitch on the next senate bill and you can return to loathing him again.
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Re: Don't get upset with yourself over your sudden...
Feb 6, 2020, 9:53 AM
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We never claimed he wasnt a Repub. We dont loathe all Repubs. We respect his honesty. Thats all. We know Trump is a lying fraud dirtbag. Thats all we agree with with Romney about.
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