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Q/A time for the SEC doom and gloomers...............

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Posted: Feb 5, 2013, 9:28 AM
 

Hopefully when you answer these questions for yourselves it will get you to calm down. I doubt it, but let's see.

I've included my answers for reference.

1) Where is Clemson located? In the Southeast perhaps? When kids don't choose Clemson, where do they typically end up?

Top kids who don't sign with us typically end up in the Southeast. Typically at SEC schools. Been that way since the beginning of time.

2) Has Clemson recruited against SEC teams before this year?

Absolutely.

3) Have SEC schools promoted the SEC before this year?

Most definitely.

4) Does every kid that chooses an SEC school over Clemson choose them simply because they're in the SEC?

Not even close. They choose some other SEC schools because they're good football programs.

5) Has Clemson lost kids to the SEC teams before this year, and has Clemson competed against SEC schools in recruiting since conferences were formed?

Absolutely, in both cases.

6) Have SEC teams competed against Clemson in recruiting every year since the beginning of time?

Absolutely. Same as it's always been and same as it will always be.

7) Have SEC teams lost players to Clemson before?

Of course. Will continue to do so.

8) Has Clemson lost more kids to the SEC this year than any time in the past?

Nope. We win and lose battles against SEC schools every single year. Same as it's always been, same as it will always be.


9) Can winning more games help combat other schools regardless of conference affiliation?

No doubt about it. We're a trending program, not quite set in stone. Getting there though.


10) Has every player that is choosing an SEC school over Clemson an official "decommit"?

Nope.


Now for the specific players cited by another guy.

11) "We lost Adams to 'the SEC'".

I read some speculation that Adams was being pushed to the SEC by some folks close to him, but up to this point I haven't heard Adams say he is going to Auburn simply because they're in the SEC. One poor season doesn't change the fact Auburn is a traditional football program who juts won a national title a few years back. If Auburn was all that in the ACC, no doubt they could do exactly the same thing.

12) "We lost D Robinson to 'the SEC'".

We lost Robinson to one of the best programs of the last decade and one who has a couple national championship trophies in their case. And one who was in the top 5 at points last year.

13) "We lost Jenkins to 'the SEC'"

Jenkins is on record as saying he wants to follow in his father's footsteps. Not a single word about "the SEC".

14) "We lost Fullwood and North to 'the SEC'".

We lost some players we were interested in to other schools in the region. Same as it's always been, same as it will always be. we alos will sign several kids who were interested in SEC schools.

The guy should stop trying to say we lost all these kids to "the SEC". We will lose some kids to good programs with certainly as much or more history as us, both past and present

15) Same guy said, "I could almost guarantee you that if we were in the SEC, we would've landed some of these prospects"

Same guy doesn't seem to realize we will sign tons of kids with SEC offers. We may have signed some of the kids he mentioned and maybe not. Every single year we win some battles and we lose some battles. That will never change, but winning over time is far more important than any conference.


The bottom line is this - this year is no different than any year. Every single year we lose kids to SEC schools and we sign kids who could have gone to SEC schools. We have always battled SEC brand, and we will always battle SEC brand. We win our share now, and if we will win our share in the future. Win more, and our share will naturally increase.


Some of you doom and gloomers need to step back from the ledge. Things are not bad and things aren't getting worse.

What we do need to be concerned about it winning. Not "the SEC". Stop feeding the hype machine. We have players and coaches to win - win and that will improve all. I've said it numerous time before but it bears repeating here - Winning trumps everything, including conference affiliation.


Spin it like you want, but if we were in the SEC we would

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Posted: Feb 5, 2013, 9:31 AM
 

land more of the high profile guys.

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Not "spin" at all. Feel free to try and show otherwise.

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Posted: Feb 5, 2013, 9:40 AM
 

Maybe being in the SEC would help, maybe not. Bottom line is you need to win and have tradition both past and present. Our present tradition is getting better, but it is not elite yet.

Regardless of conference affiliation, nobody gets every player they're after. This year is no different than any other year, in spite of some guys buying into the SEC hype and helping to "spin" it that way.

We haven't lost more kids to SEC schools than any other year. Most of our top rated signees will have SEC offers.

Continue to win 11+ games and compete for conference championships, BCS bowl games, and yes, national championships, like those other schools have done, and our stock will grow.


What about Ole Miss then? *******


Posted: Feb 5, 2013, 9:46 AM
 




Re: What about Ole Miss then? *******


Posted: Feb 5, 2013, 10:19 AM
 

Well, it is certainly not about their winning tradition. Something is pulling them there, maybe coeds acting as hostesses? or Has the Rock Hill bagman moved to Oxford?


Did Ole Miss just join the SEC?***

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Posted: Feb 5, 2013, 11:12 AM
 



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You don't know what is and what isn't spin.

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Posted: Feb 5, 2013, 11:00 AM
 

A list of facts that point directly to a conclusion does not constitute spin. It constitutes logic and reason.

Your statement may be correct and some might concede that it is true but it is without sufficient evidence which constitutes proof. I happen, in this case, think your speculation is valid but can not declare it as fact for it is opinion, conjecture and supposition.

We might have gotten one more recruit if we were in the sec and we may have lost a couple to other schools in or out of the sec were we in the sec. Are you catching on to reason yet?

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agreed but I think we would all agree that the ACC


Posted: Feb 5, 2013, 11:47 AM
 

suffers from a perception problem related to the SEC. Living here in Atlanta there is little to no talk about "ACC football" and there is an ACC school here IN TOWN. It's SEC football 24/7. Now we can say it's bias or whatever it is but the media talks about SEC football constantly...building it up just short of the NFL and in some people's eyes as big as the NFL. The ACC is viewed as JV football and that perception while not accurate affects the way kids perceive our program.

It started in 2004 when Auburn got locked out of the national title game. The SEC decided to build the brand of the conference was just as important as the schools. The leadership within the SEC has been superior to the ACC but also their programs have stepped up and won big games. FSU and Clemson were down at the time and VT has never been able to break through.

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All true - but to be clear - "playing in the SEC" will be a

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Posted: Feb 5, 2013, 10:42 AM
 

factor for a lot of kids.

Because everything you say above is correct - there is no reason for doom and gloom. We will continue to win many recruiting battles against the SEC, and we will continue to recruit at a very high level.

Still, "playing in the SEC" will be used by all of the SEC schools, and will factor, to some degree, in the decisions of some recruits. We will miss on some recruits, in part, because of it. No doom and gloom, just the truth. It matters.

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Of course it matters. Just like it always has.

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Posted: Feb 5, 2013, 11:26 AM
 

Did someone say it doesn't matter? That would be silly


All great points but as Smiling said above lots of kids

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Posted: Feb 5, 2013, 11:33 AM
 

are going to want to play in the SEC as long as they are winning national titles....we along with FSU have to win big to turn this around. Having Louisville come on board helps. We've used this argument of come play in a conference for the past 50 yrs with our basketball program to get kids to Clemson. We sell Clemson but we also sell "play in the ACC"...."play in the best basketball league in the country"...."play against the best competition"..."play in the league with the most titles"....etc on and on. Foster, Ellis, Barnes, Purnell, Brownell use this. It's going to continue to be used against us in football as long as the conference as a whole stinks. Just a fact.

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Yep***

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Posted: Feb 5, 2013, 12:12 PM
 



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Nope.........

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Posted: Feb 5, 2013, 1:01 PM
 

Neither you nor 72 are saying anything that I haven't already said and/or agree with. But what you're saying doesn't change my stance.

That is, we have ALWAYS competed against the SEC, it's tradition, and it's brand. The SEC has ALWAYS promoted themselves against the ACC and us. It may ebb and flow some, but 2013 is basically no different than any other year.

Considering where we are located and our recruiting base, we will fight dozens of battles against SEC schools. Always have, always will. And just like every single year, we will win some and we will lose some. No different then ever, but right now it's being blown out of proportion.

And too, I'm still waiting to see one guy who said it doesn't matter?

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