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What I have learned about people's beliefs and attitudes
May 7, 2020, 5:15 PM
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regarding Covid19. What they believe about the virus depends entirely on what they want to believe, based on what fits their preconceived biases and what "works" for them in their lives. Facts, logic, and reason have little influence. Millions of people, getting the same information, will take that information and twist it to fit their preconceived ideas about the world, using whatever facts may support their argument, while ignoring or disputing any that don't, no matter what. People are going to believe what they want to believe. That goes for everybody, everywhere, all of the time. Except me, of course; I have it right!  ">
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There are no experts, that's for sure.***
May 7, 2020, 5:17 PM
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ha, didnt see your post before i posted***
Jun 20, 2021, 7:27 PM
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CU Medallion [73569]
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What i've learned from Covid
May 7, 2020, 5:21 PM
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There are no experts on Covid. They have been wrong at every turn
The modelers should lose their jobs cause they suck as well.
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Oculus Spirit [97703]
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I disagree. There isn't jack #### about covid that
May 7, 2020, 6:00 PM
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"works" for anyone in their lives. I'm 100% sure 99% of people want it gone. Millions of people are getting very different information. That's a problem. You have politicians saying one thing, and scientists another.
It isn't political.
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Re: What I have learned about people's beliefs and attitudes
May 7, 2020, 6:28 PM
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You are correct I think. But I also believe that it's exacerbated by media. If you listen to MSNBC then we'll all be dead by Tuesday. If you listen to Fox, it's not that bad and will go away soon.
Media shapes what people's personal agendas are, and I think that people's personal agendas are largely based on how/where they were raised and their life experiences.
Ultimately, and I believe this true for most on this board. People come by their beliefs and agendas honestly.
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Re: What I have learned about people's beliefs and attitudes
May 7, 2020, 6:47 PM
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that is pretty much true of any topic, and not true about everyone. Some people can freely admit they have no idea what is going to happen and just how much of an impact this will have. If some one is telling you with certainty that they have the answer to this, they are either delusional or lying.
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Good observation. I will add that the % of the population
May 7, 2020, 9:09 PM
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that defines principles as those things that bring short term security has passed the tipping point.
Drive 70 vs 55: individual choice.
Go to work in a flu epidemic: individual choice.
Sunbathing that causes cancer: individual choice,
Being obese: individual choice.
Corona virus: Govt is responsible, and must shut down individual choice.
We understand the first four. We feel like we don't understand the last one, even in the face of data that says most are not vulnerable, and that the vulnerable are highly identifiable. Uncertainty causes fear, and in that fear we have ceded our individual standing to an authority.
Principles do not change, strategies often do. The principle here is that individual autonomy is always above authority, is inherently possessed, and is not granted by authority. Rather than consider what strategy best allows individuals to manage their lives and risk in this new situation, we walked away from the principle, giving authority autocratic control over our core identities.
It is the worst thing I can imagine happening in response to a mild threat. What will we do in response to a major one?
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Legend [15492]
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Re: Good observation. I will add that the % of the population
May 8, 2020, 12:04 AM
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I'm not sure how you define a minor vs major threat. In just the last 2 weeks, more Americans have died of Covid-19 than 9/11, the Iraq War, and the War in Afghanistan combined. Currently, there are 1.2 million infected and counting, the infection rate doubles every 4 weeks so far. The Univ. of Washington IHME projection that was much lower than the initial CDC projection just doubled their projection of total deaths by fall to 140,000.
This is not a "minor" threat. Further, all of the choices you mentioned were "individual choices" that have no effect on others. In this situation, we don't know who's infected or not. And you, my friend, do not have the right to infect others with a virus you may have without knowing it.
Individual choice is sacred in our country, as it should be. But that doesn't mean you can carry a loaded shotgun into a Mall. Your rights stop when they endanger others.
We've never faced a national security threat like this. We don't know how to react....yet. But stopping the spread of a lethal pathogen in which humans have no immunity is not a violation of your rights. It's the protection of all people's right to LIFE, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
You do not and never have had the "right" to endanger others. That is a myth.
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Very minor. We know who is at risk, who is not. Most
May 8, 2020, 10:09 AM
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are not. 70% of deaths are from one very identifiable group. There i zero defensible reason for telling 70% of the population that they have to hide inside.
# deaths is a red herring. We could save many multiples of corona deaths by lowering the speed limit, making certain foods illegal, keeping people off beaches, on and on. We have always believed, rightfully, that with informed consent an individual has the right to manage his own risks, and that principle has nothing to do with valuing economics over life (another false spin of the left) but about the standing of the individual.
The idea that I am endangering others is the myth. If person A and person B agree to engage in an activity together, both doing so of their own choice, neither is endangering the other. B has the right to self quarantine as much as he wants.
But you know that. So what is your real agenda?
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Oculus Spirit [93658]
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Ain't freedom of thought wonderful!***
May 8, 2020, 12:59 AM
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