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Washington Redskins name debate

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Posted: Oct 14, 2013 2:11 PM
 

Bob Costas went political again (as he did with gun control a while back) and went off on how racist the term "Redskins" is.
I am curious, do we have any Native-American Clemson fans in here that have an opinion of the name?

(Dont want to start any arguments among friends, so please no one post any angry comments).

I really just feel the entire country is way to sensitive about stuff like this and we all need to stick to what we were told on the playground as kids... sticks and stones.

But I am more than willing to listen to those who feel this name references them and how they feel about it.

Just curious how big a deal this is to real people, not just politicians and TV.


Re: Would the real Bob Costas please stand up??


Posted: Oct 14, 2013 2:14 PM
 

Oh sorry Mr Costas. I didnt realize you are standing. ;)

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Wile I agree that people seem to be way too sensitive....


Posted: Oct 14, 2013 2:18 PM
 

about stuff like this, I do agree that a name like "Redskins" goes well beyond other Native American type names like "Indians", "Seminoles", "Chiefs", "Warriorers", or "Braves".

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Re: Wile I agree that people seem to be way too sensitive...


Posted: Oct 14, 2013 2:22 PM
 

the irony here is it is in DC. And Congress who likes to impose its will is strangely moot here. I think because they are afraid their football tickets will get pulled if they say anything. just another example of their hypocrasy

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Posted: Oct 14, 2013 2:21 PM
 

Costas killed his argument before he ever even started. He said that most Native Americans don't find the term offensive. That right there should be the end of the story. If the majority of the only group of people that could possibly take offense to the name do not have an issue with it, then it's done. Why on earth would Bob and the rest of the politically correct crowd think they have the right to tell other types of people what they should find offensive?

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Re: Washington Redskins name debate


Posted: Oct 14, 2013 2:26 PM
 

this sint even a good debate because the guy who owns them isnt going to change it. UNless he gets treated like MLB did Marge Schott it ends there

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For me, it boils dow nto this....

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Posted: Oct 14, 2013 2:35 PM
 

The team originated as the Boston Braves, based in Boston, Massachusetts, in 1932.

At the time the team played in Braves Field, home of the Boston Braves baseball team.

The following year (1933) the club moved to Fenway Park, home of the Boston Red Sox, whereupon the owners changed the team's name to the Boston Redskins. The name followed the team to Washington 1937

Why, after 80 years, is this just now becomming an issue?

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Posted: Oct 14, 2013 2:36 PM
 



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Thoughts from a Native American chief

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Posted: Oct 14, 2013 2:30 PM
 

I heard this debate on OTL this past summer. They had a Native American chief from near the DC area on and he said the majority of his people think it's an honor. He said the few people in his tribe who have issue with it he tells them to "get over it".
A white guy and a black guy with no Native American blood were trying to tell him that he is wrong. The white guy said he had one Native American friend who didn't like it.


How about just the skins


Posted: Oct 14, 2013 2:35 PM
 

Then everyone can be offended


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Posted: Oct 14, 2013 2:39 PM
 



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Good read on topic.....


Posted: Oct 14, 2013 2:40 PM
 

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9689220&src=desktop

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Re: Another one


Posted: Oct 15, 2013 11:36 AM
 

http://www.fredoneverything.net/Mudgeon.shtml


Here are Dan Snyder's thoughts on the matter


Posted: Oct 14, 2013 2:43 PM
 

http://profootballmock.com/iphone-text/intercepted-text-dan-snyder-another-chat-native-american-leader/

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Re: Washington Redskins name debate


Posted: Oct 14, 2013 2:44 PM
 

> Bob Costas went political again (as he did with gun
> control a while back) and went off on how racist the
> term "Redskins" is.
> I am curious, do we have any Native-American Clemson
> fans in here that have an opinion of the name?
>
> (Dont want to start any arguments among friends, so
> please no one post any angry comments).
>
> I really just feel the entire country is way to
> sensitive about stuff like this and we all need to
> stick to what we were told on the playground as
> kids... sticks and stones.

Here is the history of naming the team the "Redskins."
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/11/do-you-know-the-history-behind-the-name-washington-redskins/
>
> But I am more than willing to listen to those who
> feel this name references them and how they feel
> about it.
>
> Just curious how big a deal this is to real people,
> not just politicians and TV.


My take is fairly simple


Posted: Oct 14, 2013 3:10 PM
 

I don't get offended for other folks. It has no real meaning one way or another to me, so I have no real stake in the debate.

Doubly so as it seems that, if what is being reported is accurate, that those in the prime position to be offended (the native americans) don't seem to be getting upset over it.

Honestly, I'm not sure how anyone couldn't understand if they were, but since, by an large, they seem to not be, I'm not sure this is an issue at all.

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Posted: Oct 14, 2013 3:16 PM
 



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Redskins fan here...


Posted: Oct 14, 2013 3:24 PM
 

I am so sick of this "debate". Essentially the ring leader is this tool at the Washington Post named Mike Wise. He seems to write about it once a week, every week. He has no problem in getting his paycheck covering the team, but can't bring himself to say the "r" word.

It's beyond ridiculous, and no one I know here has ever used the word "Redskin" in any way other to talk about a football team in Washington, or a certain type of potato. There are so many more things that can be done to promote the well being of Native Americans, but changing the name of a football team, when there are real problems that need to be dealt with, is just foolish.

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If I were Dan Snyder

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Posted: Oct 14, 2013 4:02 PM
 

I would be having a contest to see who could come up with a name that the PC police couldn't challenge, but that would still tick them off.

What about just 'skins? Or change it to Pigskins, and you could still call yourselves the 'skins?

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I'm not Native American, but I'm guessing if they were


Posted: Oct 14, 2013 3:34 PM
 

called the Blackskins, the reason for the utter disgust towards the mascot name would be obvious enough to you. Why is it that a term specifically chosen by a virulent racist owner back in the mid 20th-century is creating this level of angst? Even St. Johns changed to the Red Storm, and that was in spite of the fact that the Redmen were not, in fact, chosen based on an association with Native Americans.


Re: I'm not Native American, but I'm guessing if they were


Posted: Oct 14, 2013 4:16 PM
 

If someone were called the Whiteskins, it wouldnt bother me personally. But again, the whole aura is different with the history and such. Good views all around here but still hoping some actual Native-American Clemson fans are around to give us proper perspective.


The owner of the team has the right to name it


Posted: Oct 15, 2013 12:10 PM
 

however he wants. If people don't like it don't buy the product. Pretty simple. As another poster already stated, I don't take the time to be offended for someone else. If they don't like it then they should state their opinion. My opinion really matters not in this situation because I'm not native American.


Mascots are symbols of pride. BUT, DC calling


Posted: Oct 15, 2013 1:28 PM
 

themselves the 'Redskins' is like a Berlin team calling themselves the 'Gypsies' or an Istanbul team calling themselves the 'Armenians' or a Tokyo team calling themselves the 'Chinamen.'

"The only good Indians I ever saw were dead." -- General Philip Sheridan, Grant and Sherman's [Washington D.C.'s] choice for head of the Department of the Missouri's Army to 'pacify' the plains, 1869.

The Irony is over the top.


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