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Trump's Confederate Strategy is working.
Jul 7, 2020, 11:12 AM
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Sort of.
The overt appeals to the Confederacy have resulted in an uptick of approval among Republicans, according to the most recent Gallup poll, from 85% to 91%. Of course it has cost him a lot of support among Independents, falling from 39% to 33%, among Democrats from 5% to 2%, and women are fleeing in droves down 10% to 32%.
He has retained majority support among white Americans without a college degree, though that has dropped from 66% down to 57%.
One thing about Trump, he may not know the country, but he #### sure knows his base.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/313454/trump-job-approval-rating-steady-lower-level.aspx
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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Re: Trump's Confederate Strategy is working.
Jul 7, 2020, 11:13 AM
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Re: Trump's Confederate Strategy is working.
Jul 7, 2020, 11:16 AM
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Right. Seeing all the craziness the Dems have planned to impose on the whole country (and not just blue cities), has nothing to do with it?
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that doesn't fit his narrative***
Jul 7, 2020, 11:31 AM
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Trump's Confederate Strategy is NOT working?
Jul 7, 2020, 11:38 AM
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Interesting.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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Is there a difference between...
Jul 7, 2020, 11:41 AM
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Confederate Strategy and Nazi Strategy? I can hardly believe this is all happening?
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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oh no, I think the winning play is to call Trump voters...
Jul 7, 2020, 11:54 AM
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racist. Ask the deplorables.
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110%er [6132]
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there a few posters on here that clearly think most of us
Jul 7, 2020, 11:58 AM
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are racists. So it all fits.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I would include satan worshipers...
Jul 7, 2020, 12:01 PM
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but actually the people clinging to their guns and Bibles are a worse boogey man
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I'm no Trump fan
Jul 7, 2020, 11:47 AM
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but I watched his speech from Mount Rushmore and thought it was his best speech yet. He talked about equality, heritage, and how schools are poisoning our kids with anti-american rhetoric. There was absolutely nothing that should be considered offensive in it. I think that is a winning message. If he can get normal, rational people to associate the dems with the rioters, the people who tear down Lincoln statues, and the triggered protestors who look all crazy, I think he has a chance.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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again...
Jul 7, 2020, 11:51 AM
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the longer the chaos goes on, including children being shot, the more empathy the movement will lose. Is that is a "Confederate Strategy?"
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I would never call it a confederacy movement
Jul 7, 2020, 11:55 AM
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I think most Trump supporters love their country and don't have a discriminatory bone in their body.
In the same way the Baltimore DA overcharged the cops that killed that black guy that started all those riots a few years ago, I think the dems are overcharging Trump and his supporters with things that are unrealistic and it overshadows his flaws, makes people sympathize with Trump. If the media just covered him fairly and let him hang himself with stupid statements, he would lose. They just can't help themselves, though. They hate him at an irrational level.
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That post is like Kim Kardashian.
Jul 7, 2020, 12:04 PM
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I could see the "but" coming from a mile away.
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So you think The Confederate Strategy, or as you eloquently
Jul 7, 2020, 12:16 PM
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described it "If he can get normal rational people to associate the dems with the rioters, the people who tear down statues and the triggered protesters.." he can win.
Sounds like you and I agree on the strategy, we just disagree on how effective it is on anybody other than Republicans.
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I mean, I guess?
Jul 7, 2020, 12:23 PM
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I'm voting for Jo Jorgensen so I don't have a dog in the Trump fight. But if I were Trump I would say, "I'm running on 1776 and Biden is running on 1861." Make it about whether you love America or not.
If I were Biden I'd get the media to tone it down a bit, stop giving him soundbites, and hide in the basement while Trump does stupid things, and I would refuse to debate, claiming you didn't want to give him a platform to speak hate.
Idk, I just think both candidates are so flawed it's disgusting that a 3rd party candidate can't make traction. Makes me feel like we will never get off this ride and our grandkids won't have an America to call a shining beacon upon a hill.
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Eh...
Jul 7, 2020, 1:19 PM
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"...how schools are poisoning our kids with anti-american rhetoric."
Well, that part is a lie and quite an attack on the millions of educators across America. So there's that.
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Teachers are forced to teach right from the curriculum
Jul 7, 2020, 1:32 PM
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in most schools now. You think it's just a coincidence that young people all of the sudden hate Columbus and Washington and Jefferson? I seriously doubt they all just randomly decided to get on the internet and read about only the bad things they did.
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Can you show me...
Jul 7, 2020, 1:40 PM
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Where there is this massive, coordinated nationwide movement to create anti-American curriculum to indoctrinate all kids?
Who would do that? Why? What's the end game? You mean all those textbook companies that work for profit want to bring down the American system that allows them to profit? That millions of teachers are in on this scheme?
Is every local school board filled with people bent on destroying America from within?
Columbus was a horrible person who should have never been honored, and he wasn't American. Why is that anti-Americanism?
And what evidence do you have that young people all suddenly hate Washington and Jefferson?
Finally, when did this scheme start? Because they're doing a really ###### job of making all Americans hate our country and try to destroy it.
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Re: You are accusing the teachers of educating their students
Jul 7, 2020, 2:18 PM
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Okay, technically, there is no widespread conspiracy (like the con trails that we all agree on) by the universities and the profs, but it is a petri dish of liberal, progressive, socialist ideologies pushed forward by mostly people who have never done anything in their life.*
*Anything defined as building and running a company, creating jobs, hiring and firing employees, paying corporate taxes, navigating the fcking paperwork bureaucracy to have a business, etc.
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Dang...
Jul 7, 2020, 5:03 PM
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It's a wonder all of us college-educated folks on Tigernet made it out and did anything with our lives. Wonder how that happened?
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Re: Eh...
Jul 7, 2020, 2:14 PM
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Absolutely not a lie. I've had kids in college since 2012. Horrible scene.
If you believe universities are not indoctrinating our kids, then you believe the MSM is fair and balanced.
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Re: Eh...
Jul 7, 2020, 5:02 PM
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His post seemed to be citing K-12 education, not higher ed.
When did universities start indoctrinating 18-22 year old "kids"? And how come our nation hasn't crumbled yet? People have been making this silly claim for years, yet here America still stands. They must suck at the indoctrination.
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Re: Eh...
Jul 7, 2020, 5:05 PM
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Soooo...
Jul 7, 2020, 5:11 PM
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Did your kids fall for the indoctrination?
If not, what makes you think others are?
What are they exactly trying to indoctrinate them in?
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Re: Soooo...
Jul 7, 2020, 5:22 PM
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Re: Soooo...
Jul 7, 2020, 5:26 PM
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I'm sure a lot are liberal. I'm sure a lot are conservative. I'm sure a lot are moderate. And since you're saying your daughter can think for herself, shouldn't we assumed the others can do the same?
All in all, this thread is a lot assumption without basis. There's no indoctrination of young people in colleges, and if it's being attempted, they suck at it.
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Re: Soooo...
Jul 7, 2020, 5:33 PM
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Re: I'm no Trump fan
Jul 7, 2020, 2:12 PM
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And the headline on ABC/GMA afterwards was "Trump continues to divide", "Trump fans the flames of culture wars" or something to that effect.
An irrational observation.
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The left's attack on America seems to
Jul 7, 2020, 12:07 PM
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be working quite well. Many on the right and most in the center never dreamed that the left would have the bawls to come right out in the open with their hatred for America and American culture, but here we are and it's caught many off-guard.
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Based on those numbers...
Jul 7, 2020, 1:21 PM
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It looks like the "center" is pretty well set against this president, and that's going to decide this election.
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Re: Trump's Confederate Strategy is working.
Jul 7, 2020, 12:25 PM
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Broad agreement in this thread of a Confederate Strategy.
Jul 7, 2020, 12:48 PM
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I must admit, I am surprised that we all pretty much agree on the strategy, it's just that some people don't like the appropriately named Confederate Strategy.
It's just a more obvious Trump application of The Southern Strategy that Lee Atwater described and implemented.
P.S. I notice your link shows Trump with an average polling approval of 41% and a disapproval of 56% - a 14% deficit. Rasmussen, as usual, is an outlier.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/
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Rasmussen is an outlier?
Jul 7, 2020, 12:57 PM
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Yep. Fivethirtyeight rates them 20 out of 24 polls for
Jul 7, 2020, 1:14 PM
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accuracy and gives them a C+ rating.
Republicans seem to forget what happened in the most recent election in 2018 when polling showed Democrats trouncing Republicans heading into the mid-term elections. Only one poll - Rasmussen, had Republicans winning by 1% on a generic congressional ballot. Republicans were trounced and lost by 9 points. That is a 10 point difference! Polling, other than Rasmussen, was spot on.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2018_generic_congressional_vote-6185.html
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Re: Yep. Fivethirtyeight rates them 20 out of 24 polls for
Jul 7, 2020, 1:22 PM
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Re: Rasmussen is an outlier?
Jul 7, 2020, 3:38 PM
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It isn't how it ended up.
Hillary won by almost three million votes out of just short of 129 million votes cast...she won the popular vote by two points, so Rasmussen actually missed by four. Trump won because he cut it as fine as he could and won by-a-nose victories in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan...which doesn't matter; even photo finishes give you full electoral votes.
And that was just enough. Owing to the electoral college, the GOP right now has a built-in advantage of almost exactly those two points, so Dems need to win by about three points to be certain to win an election.
The difficulty for Trump is he's trailing by anywhere from 9 to 14 points per most polls, and whereas Trump won with 304 electoral votes in 2016, it looks like Biden's tracking to pretty close to 400 right now. That's a landslide.
The even worse part, if you're a GOP establishment type, is the GOP is also tracking to lose the Senate - probably badly - and a whole bunch of governorships and State-level representative races as well. Being down-ballot from Trump right now is absolutely toxic.
I also think it's going to get worse, not better. Trump is a gambler and he compulsively doubles down when he's losing, but his political game is more than a bit like a football triple-option attack; Trump really only has a handful of plays and he doesn't really have the capacity to change things up. He does what he does and that's it. I think he gets more and more erratic - and more and more desperate - the closer we get to the election...and frankly, if he thinks it's going bad on him, it wouldn't shock me overly if he dropped out at the last second rather than suffer the humiliation of losing.
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He had her +2 and she won the pop vote +2
Jul 7, 2020, 3:47 PM
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I'm not sure how you read that and assume good things...
Jul 7, 2020, 1:18 PM
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For Trump. His numbers are on a steady decline and heading towards Jimmy Carter levels. Right now, he's below where Gerald Ford was.
These figures don't bode well and the Trump campaign knows it. The ever climbing disapproval numbers are the worst part for him.
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Re: I'm not sure how you read that and assume good things...
Jul 7, 2020, 1:28 PM
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Definitely a lot of time and too early to call.
Jul 7, 2020, 1:40 PM
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But you and I know that if this trend continues, he's getting destroyed in November.
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Re: Definitely a lot of time and too early to call.
Jul 7, 2020, 2:22 PM
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There may be another black swan event or October surprise, but I am thinking without something like that Mr. Prevagen will be next POTUS.
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Re: 'Trump's Confederate Strategy,' is the way an...
Jul 7, 2020, 6:19 PM
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cheapask chickenchit calls Trump and his supporters racist. It's not as if it didn't work for Hillary.
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Re: Trump's Confederate Strategy is working.
Jul 7, 2020, 2:16 PM
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thats terrible
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