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This is starting to get serious-Pompeo
Sep 27, 2019, 4:26 PM
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Bill Barr and Rudy G. probably next.
Sep 27, 2019, 4:30 PM
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Public opinion and the Democratic House are moving quickly.
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Re: Bill Barr and Rudy G. probably next.
Sep 27, 2019, 4:44 PM
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Is there really anything the House can do if Pompeo, Barr, and Rudy G. just give them the bird?
Because that's pretty much what every member of the administration who has appeared before Congress has done thus far, and it's been just such a clown show of inconsistent questioning and even more ineffectual consequences for refusing to answer that it's pretty much made a mockery of the rule of law.
Why would anybody cooperate? There's zero reason to right now.
The Dems seriously need to tighten that circus up, collectively cede their time to a professional prosecutor, and collectively stop grandstanding...and have some real consequences awaiting those who defy them or it's just going to be another clown show.
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Re: Bill Barr and Rudy G. probably next.
Sep 27, 2019, 4:59 PM
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Is there really anything the House can do if Pompeo, Barr, and Rudy G. just give them the bird?
Because that's pretty much what every member of the administration who has appeared before Congress has done thus far, and it's been just such a clown show of inconsistent questioning and even more ineffectual consequences for refusing to answer that it's pretty much made a mockery of the rule of law.
Why would anybody cooperate? There's zero reason to right now.
The Dems seriously need to tighten that circus up, collectively cede their time to a professional prosecutor, and collectively stop grandstanding...and have some real consequences awaiting those who defy them or it's just going to be another clown show.
Yes, Congress can send them to jail for Contempt.
"The criminal offense of "contempt of Congress" sets the penalty at not less than one month nor more than twelve months in jail and a fine of not more than $100,000."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Congress
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Re: Bill Barr and Rudy G. probably next.
Sep 27, 2019, 5:05 PM
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I know they can get an "inherent contempt" charge, which is pretty much a time-out in the corner. I know they tagged Barr for that back in July when he didn't even trouble to show up for a hearing and I'm not even sure he got his slap on the wrist.
Can they get more than that, especially in regards to the Executive Branch? Because they haven't shown those kind of teeth yet.
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Re: Bill Barr and Rudy G. probably next.
Sep 28, 2019, 10:50 PM
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I know they can get an "inherent contempt" charge, which is pretty much a time-out in the corner. I know they tagged Barr for that back in July when he didn't even trouble to show up for a hearing and I'm not even sure he got his slap on the wrist.
Can they get more than that, especially in regards to the Executive Branch? Because they haven't shown those kind of teeth yet.
Absolutely. In the Lewendowki hearing Nadler could have held him in contempt and had the Sargent at Arms escort him to jail.
In fact, Nadler and some of the other Dem's simply don't have the balls to do it.
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While I don't share your hyperbolic assessment of this
Sep 27, 2019, 5:06 PM
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unprecedented situation, things are moving rapidly. It's only been a couple of days since we got the memo of the conversation and the whistleblower report.
The relevant committees are already scheduling the testimony of the witnesses for next week. They will be reducing the number of questioners and bringing in outside professional council to focus the questioning of the witnesses. The lawyer who questioned Lewendowski later in the day was excellent.
If the courts are needed to compel witness cooperation, the process moves much faster in an impeachment inquiry.
So far, Trump has thrown Pence, Pompeo, Barr and Giuliani under the bus and Giuliani obviously is freaking out and pleading for someone to subpoena him. Pompeo has been subpoenaed. Judging from the whistleblower report, there are a number of people in the White House who are very concerned about the behavior of this president. Given that environment, I just don't see the White House being able to hold this all together.
The real clown show, as everyone should know by now, is in the White House.
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Re: While I don't share your hyperbolic assessment of this
Sep 27, 2019, 5:19 PM
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Yeah, the professional prosecutor who questioned Lewendownski slam-dunked him.
The problem was, that was the last 30 minutes, and the hours that proceeded it were pretty much full of Lewendowski hooting, twirling noisemakers, and blowing farts in the direction of House Democrats that tried to question him, all while smirking that fix-is-in smirk that makes one want to do some social work with a baseball bat...and he completely got away with it because politicians, by and large, are lousy questioners and it was pretty clear not a one of them really knew what they were doing.
I'd prefer the slam dunk of the transparently guilty party happen in the first 30 minutes, but to do that requires politicians who are hungry for quality camera time to defer that in the interest of effective justice...which we haven't seen a willingness to do yet.
I hope you're correct they get it together for the actual impeachment. It's been a dumpster fire so far.
The saving grace could well be Rudy, though. As savvy as he's been so far, he's likely to start confessing to fifteen different murders he committed on Trump's behalf while the House is digging for the origin of an office memorandum. I know I'll have my popcorn ready for the Rudy G show...and I suspect Team Trump will be watching that testimony with brown paper bags over their head.
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Definitely need folks with real examination skills, nothing
Sep 27, 2019, 5:31 PM
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looks dumber than a former urologist from East Buzzard Fart, Arkansas stumble trough their opening with, "Well, I'm not a lawyer...but...."
That said, I would assume the intent is to force them to invoke 5th Am. rights, or have them outright perjure themselves. With Pompeo, Barr, and Rudy the strategy should plan to show inconsistencies in their testimony and illuminate the differences. Pompeo and Barr are smart, wily, old fuggers and nobody's getting far with them, but Rudy is an outright nut. He seriously believes all this deep-state comin' to get ya nonsense and fills Trumps head with it, so he should be a goldmine of lunatic and incompetent testimony.
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If they hire a profession examiner their faces won't be...
Sep 27, 2019, 6:29 PM
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on CNN and the front page of the NYT.
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Re: Bill Barr and Rudy G. probably next.
Sep 27, 2019, 6:28 PM
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True, Holder refused to give them anything he didn't want them to have and confounded them at every turn. They censured him, I bet that left a mark.
They are only doing this to get the cameras in the room. If they voted to impeach they could get anything related to the charge(s) or any testimony including the POTUS. They've been playing this game since inauguration day. They've tried every charge to see what sticks and nada.
You're too smart to be fooled here, Quaz. If they had an impeachable charge they would impeach. They need at least 50% of the voting public to support impeachment and they better not miss if they swing. Imo, the radical left wing of the party doesn't care. Like Pelosi said of AOC, "This glass of water could win that district if it had a 'D,' by the name."
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Re: Bill Barr and Rudy G. probably next.
Sep 27, 2019, 8:32 PM
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It's just more of the same BS we've seen for 2+ years.
It's not Congress's job to micro manage the President and yell out fire in a crowded theatre every time he walks to his seat.
We have 5 eyes agreements in intelligence matters yet Trump can't pick up the phone and call a foreign leader and ask for info he is known to have.
I wish people like you would think before you post.
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Re: Bill Barr and Rudy G. probably next.
Sep 28, 2019, 10:59 PM
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It's just more of the same BS we've seen for 2+ years.
It's not Congress's job to micro manage the President and yell out fire in a crowded theatre every time he walks to his seat.
We have 5 eyes agreements in intelligence matters yet Trump can't pick up the phone and call a foreign leader and ask for info he is known to have.
I wish people like you would think before you post.
It's true that it appears the Dems are tagging Trump often. But I have no sympathy for him. Remember Benghazi? The Republican controlled House held no less than 7 Congressional investigations of Hillary. In he final report they acknowledged that she had broken no laws.
Keven McCarthy, the minortiy leader later told a reporter, on tv, that if Hillary was elected they had enough to investigate her for 2 more years.
So, I think context is important. The Reps did it to Hillary and they certainly did it to Bill over a BJ.
The "harrasment" not withstanding, it doesn't dismiss Trump's obvious attempt to get a foreign govt to gather dirt on 2 U.S. citizens one of whom has been the apparent challenger in the next election. There is no evidence of corruption on Biden's part or his son. There is nothing there, but Trump continues to describe it as 'corruption".
Hunter Biden's only crime is working for a Ukrainian company while his father was Vice President.
How upset were you when Ivanka was awarded all of those patents in China? This within 2 weeks of Trump's meeting with the Chinese Prime Minister???
In fact it doesn't matter. Just like Hunter working for that company doesn't matter. Trump has crossed the line in asking a foreign govt. to assist him in his reelection by smearing his opponent. Nothing the Biden's did or didn't do will change that. It's just a smoke screen that Trump uses to divert attention away from his misdeeds.
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Re: Bill Barr and Rudy G. probably next.
Oct 1, 2019, 11:48 PM
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Do you think it was ethical for Biden to threaten to have money earmarked for Ukraine witheld? Do you know for sure it wasn't unlawful?
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The House needs a roll call.
Sep 27, 2019, 4:38 PM
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Vote to impeach or simmar on down.
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Should have one by Thanksgiving.
Sep 27, 2019, 4:45 PM
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I would imagine. Then, they'll shoot it on over to Moscow Mitch for Christmas.
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Re: The House needs a roll call.
Sep 27, 2019, 4:58 PM
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They have to investigate charges first. Compel the 1st hand witnesses to testify, let's see if this whistle blower complaint pans out. There is no executive privilege if credible charges exist.
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If they impeach Trump they won't have to compel anything.
Sep 27, 2019, 6:21 PM
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The courts will order anything and everything pertaining to the charges. You know this. They are trying to win the 2020 election. Nothing more, nothing less.
This is like a parent saying you stop that, if you don't stop that I'm gonna raise my voice, OK I'm screaming now, louder and louder, if you don't stop now I'm gonna bust that asz. But the kid know they won't bust anything but the blood vein in their necks.
Chit or get off the pot.
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Re: If they impeach Trump they won't have to compel anything.
Sep 27, 2019, 6:38 PM
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Well...uh, I don't know if you've heard, but they're impeaching Trump.
At this point, the daggers are out and they're definitely chitting, as you say. And if Pelosi and the political strategists have their way, they're going to chit fast. Pretty much All About Ukraine, done...and dusted.
I suppose if there's exculpatory evidence that appears, the vote may not go the Democrats' way in the House, but given that Trump and Rudy have already confessed and on camera no less I don't see that happening.
The Senate looks far less likely...but you never know, truthfully. Susan Collins, Marco Rubio, even Ted Cruz are possible "yes" votes - Ted Cruz isn't standing again until 2024, long after Trump will have left office - and I doubt he's forgotten Trump basically naming his dad the Second Gunman on the Grassy Knoll even if he had to kiss the ring to stave off Beto in 2018. Mitt Romney will vote to impeach or I'll be shocked.
After that...who knows? The real power-brokers of the GOP are bigwigs like the Kochs and the Mega Group and Sheldon Adelson, and I think in the end they're going to be the ones making the call. David Koch is no fan of Trump and Adelson's a Rubio guy and that could spell trouble...and the real kingmaker could actually end up being Rupert Murdoch. If he confabs with his billionaire buddies and decides the time is nigh to put down the Orange Menace, that could be that. If the moneyman decide it's so, the foghorns could shock us all. Realpolitik, y'all.  ">
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No they are not impeaching Trump.
Sep 27, 2019, 7:26 PM
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They may but until the bring it to a vote they won't get chit that Trump doesn't want them to have.
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Re: No they are not impeaching Trump.
Oct 1, 2019, 10:07 PM
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Seems to be some confusion in here on how this works.
If they had gone for impeachment after the Mueller Report was released, they would have voted, likely within days of it being turned over because the report and all the fact finding was mostly complete. Much like with Clinton. The Starr Report was already out when they moved to impeach so they only had 2 days of testimony before making a move to vote.
This Ukraine stuff is just now coming out and it's one heck of a smoking gun. It hasn't been fully investigated yet. SO why would the Dems want the GOP vote now when they can make them vote after even more damning stuff likely comes to surface?
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Don't cross that line.
Sep 27, 2019, 7:30 PM
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The last time you attacked me personally it took you a week to recuperate. Your soul doesn't like attacking a family member.
To respond to a rhetorical question, if dems bring charges against Trump instead of slinging chit against the wall I will take the proof and weigh whether or not Trump should be removed. To this date nothing has been proven, many allegations but no proof.
You guys were so passionate about Russian collusion that you had me wondering if I believe something which was that far fetched. It won't happen again.
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Re: Don't cross that line.
Sep 27, 2019, 8:39 PM
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But he is absolutely correct
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Re: Don't cross that line.
Sep 28, 2019, 12:24 AM
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It took me no time. Never thought about it again. You would blow Trump though. You really would.
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Re: This is starting to get serious-Pompeo
Sep 27, 2019, 8:34 PM
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oooooooo scary stuff.
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