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who does more damage during the next 4 years


Oct 7, 2019, 4:03 PM

a socialist-democrat with narrow majorities in the Congress; or

a megalomaniac Trump with a Democrat Congress but an overactive twitter account

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Yes***


Oct 7, 2019, 4:04 PM



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MauldinT, where are you???


^^^He's right^^^***


Oct 7, 2019, 4:05 PM



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Easy.


Oct 7, 2019, 4:13 PM

Trump. Dem candidates won't really push what they claim during campaigns. Trump doesn't respect the Constitution and seems to actively work towards destabilizing our nation. Four more years with no reelection consequences will be a nightmare.

Also good for all of America for rabid Trump supporters to be sent a message that his behavior is not normal and won't be tolerated in everyday life.

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You are the meme master. - RPMcMurphy®

Trump is not a phony. - RememberTheDanny


Obama did pretty well with "fundamentally transforming


Oct 7, 2019, 4:33 PM

America".

11 years ago, how many folks were campaigning for president outwardly on the platform of socialism?

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Re: Obama did pretty well with "fundamentally transforming


Oct 7, 2019, 4:43 PM

I disagree Obama really transformed America that much. Seemed to be a lot of the same. There were too many exec orders. He and Trump prove we need to eliminate those.

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You are the meme master. - RPMcMurphy®

Trump is not a phony. - RememberTheDanny


He started what he knew would be the first step to


Oct 7, 2019, 4:51 PM

socialized healthcare, using the income tax system to punish those that choose, for whatever reason, to forego insurance.

I'd say that's pretty transformative.

Oddly, he said 9 years ago we had 20 million without insurance. 3 weeks ago during the Democratic debates, I heard Bernie Sanders say we now had 80 million without healthcare. What happened?

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Re: He started what he knew would be the first step to


Oct 7, 2019, 4:54 PM

That's not transforming America. That was one major misstep. Big? Yes. Transformative? No. Certainly not reason enough to sell our souls for the current POS in the White House.

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Trump is not a phony. - RememberTheDanny


My soul doesn't belong to me.


Oct 7, 2019, 5:00 PM

It's not for sale.

Trump is the antiobama. That's all this is about, nothing more, nothing less. You elected Obama, we replied with Trump.

If you saw this coming before you voted for Obama would you have voted for a centrist pub like GWB or Romney?

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Re: My soul doesn't belong to me.


Oct 7, 2019, 5:49 PM

Ummmmmmmmm. I did vote for Bush. I voted third party Obama vs. Romney.

Trump isn't really an anti-Obama. He just convinced you of that. But hey, if that's why you voted for him, okay, I get that. Fine.

That's no excuse for continuing to support him. By now, you should know he's garbage.

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This is going to be a harsh swing back to the left***


Oct 8, 2019, 1:09 PM [ in reply to My soul doesn't belong to me. ]



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Yeah, in about another 50 years.


Oct 23, 2019, 2:18 PM

Somehow you are thinking Obama was the first in the long line of progressives. He wasn't, this has been happening for a long time.

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Misstep? ACA provisions saved my sister from bankruptcy


Oct 7, 2019, 5:19 PM [ in reply to Re: He started what he knew would be the first step to ]

namely ending the lifetime limit allowed her to avoid bankruptcy when she went through an illness. Are there issues with the ACA, sure, but let's not forget what the hellscape health insurance was before it.

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Re: He started what he knew would be the first step to


Oct 7, 2019, 6:34 PM [ in reply to He started what he knew would be the first step to ]

I've never understood the problem with the fee/tax from a conservative view point.

Conservatives spent two decades arguing for a personal mandate.

It was put together by conservative economists and adopted by conservative research groups including the Heritage Foundation. They pulled out all the talking point about personal responsibility and how people without it were mooching off everyone else. Hell, Newt Gingrich even brought it up when he was speaker of the house when arguing against Hillary Clinton's health care ideas back when she was First Lady.

As soon as the ACA was proposed they flip instantaneously and were against it. Not because they didn’t agree with the concept (it was theirs after all) but because Mitch didn't want Obama to get a “win” and they thought it is a way to keep the overall bill from passing.

There are plenty of things to argue over/improve or remove in the ACA that just should not have been one of them.

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America seemed to see that coming.***


Oct 7, 2019, 4:44 PM [ in reply to Obama did pretty well with "fundamentally transforming ]



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how is he harming the Constitution?***


Oct 7, 2019, 8:03 PM [ in reply to Easy. ]



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If she's a hollerer, she'll be a screamer.
If she's a screamer, she'll get you arrested.


Re: how is he harming the Constitution?***


Oct 7, 2019, 11:55 PM

"Napolitano outlined three recent directives from Trump and explained how they violated the Constitution. The first was the president's order to Acting Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan to not purchase a missile defense system approved by Congress and instead use the funds to construct a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border. Second, the former judge cited Trump's order to send troops to secure the border, pointing out how it violated the separation of powers, because the president's oath does not allow military forces to be deployed to deal with domestic issues. Napolitano also argued that Trump's decision to impose 25 percent tariffs on Chinese goods was akin to levying a "national federal sales tax" on American consumers, which the president did not have power to do under the Constitution."

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-violated-constitution-separation-powers-three-times-1427253

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Re: who does more damage during the next 4 years


Oct 7, 2019, 4:17 PM

You nailed it. Who knows? Well put though.

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neither


Oct 7, 2019, 4:20 PM

deadlocked gubmint is beautiful

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Sounds like you’re feeling guilty about your Trump vote.


Oct 7, 2019, 4:28 PM

Just think we could have had a moderate dem in the WH, orange pants suit and all.

Seriously, I’ll sit it out if Warren or Bernie get the nomination.

Also, Trump has made crazy statements on TV and not on Twitter. He’s a ####### embarrassment. He’s a banana republic like dictator.

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not at all


Oct 7, 2019, 4:32 PM

do we need any new laws? (especially when existing laws are not enforced)

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I can tell you my pocketbook is just fine with my choice


Oct 7, 2019, 4:32 PM [ in reply to Sounds like you’re feeling guilty about your Trump vote. ]

but ####

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That's a pretty short-sighted assessement of the issue.***


Oct 7, 2019, 4:44 PM



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it may very well be short sighted,


Oct 7, 2019, 7:37 PM

But it’s how most people vote, and as long as the biscuit wheels don’t fall off the gravy train before 2020, it’s why many think Trump will win.

I don’t know many people who don’t vote their own self interests first, on the left or right.

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I know.


Oct 7, 2019, 11:56 PM

It's still sad and short-sighted, particularly with a president like Trump. He's done little to affect this economy, but folks will pretend he has to justify this train wreck.

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Re: I can tell you my pocketbook is just fine with my choice


Oct 7, 2019, 6:10 PM [ in reply to I can tell you my pocketbook is just fine with my choice ]

Mine was fine with Obama as well. What is your point?

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i received a rather large windfall from the Trump tax cut***


Oct 8, 2019, 12:45 PM



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lolwut?***


Oct 8, 2019, 1:10 PM



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from the business income exemption***


Oct 8, 2019, 2:25 PM



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Jesus would approve of voting with your wallet


Oct 8, 2019, 1:13 PM [ in reply to I can tell you my pocketbook is just fine with my choice ]

He was notoriously pro-wealth and made most of his issues about how we can best line our pockets.

The only moral choice is to enrich ourselves with the leaders we choose.

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Why do you keep bringing Jesus into this?


Oct 8, 2019, 2:03 PM

How did this become a religious discussion?

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yeah because Jesus spoke about Roman politics so much***


Oct 8, 2019, 2:26 PM [ in reply to Jesus would approve of voting with your wallet ]



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webb was a moderate, that is about it


Oct 7, 2019, 4:33 PM [ in reply to Sounds like you’re feeling guilty about your Trump vote. ]

he took off when he found out the fix was in

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Every day Trump is in office does incalculable damage to our


Oct 7, 2019, 4:45 PM

country. How long will it take for ALL of our allies to trust us again? Can they trust that we won't elect another dipshid like Trump in another 4 or 8 years? We built the foundations for western democracy post WWII and this administration has done everything they can to ruin it in the scant three years they've been in power. It will take decades to earn back the respect we had achieved through hard work, commitment, and sacrifice.

Trump is a best case scenario for Putin and Xi and he kowtows to them like a puppy begging for a treat. Trumps foreign policy and trade policy are threats to our national security because he understands zero on either front. So the potential damage he could do is frightening.

The Republican mantra of "democrats are evil socialists" is nothing but fear-based bullshid propaganda, with foxnews operating as state run media much like Pravda of the Soviet era. And the irony of this is completely lost on gullible old conservative media addicts. Why are conservatives so afraid that any democrat is gonna crash the economy and wreck havoc on their 401Ks when every learned economist will tell you that historical evidence proves that the economies under Democratic administrations have fared better than under Republican executives? Even conservative economists will tell you this.

Bottom line, it is not a nightmare scenario to have a democrat in the WH. The world won't end.

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tru$t


Oct 7, 2019, 4:47 PM

lol

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The damage that will be done by state run healthcare will be


Oct 7, 2019, 4:47 PM [ in reply to Every day Trump is in office does incalculable damage to our ]

swift, and permanent.

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It will only get more expensive if we do nothing. As


Oct 7, 2019, 4:51 PM

someone who has spent more than half a million dollars on my child's healthcare (and I have insurance), I'm not afraid of change and neither should you be.

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Your child has healthcare.


Oct 7, 2019, 4:57 PM

Unless you're wealthy you'll be standing in line with your child if the government takes over. That is a possibility and it's possible immigrants who just jumped the border will be in front of you because they hold minority status.

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Complete non truth. There are plenty of examples of


Oct 7, 2019, 5:01 PM

state run healthcare in developed countries are run successfully, with better health outcomes and at lower costs than the US. Do your homework, '88 and stop believing in fear and doubt.

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I've heard as many horror stories and success stories...


Oct 7, 2019, 7:55 PM

coming from nations with social medicine. You just choose to believe what suits your politics.

That being said Obamacare needs an overall. It was effed up when written and the point was for it to serve as first step in government takeover of medicine by running health insurance.

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Scandinavia has no problem with socialized healthcare


Oct 8, 2019, 1:21 PM

Unless you don't like increased life expectancy and lower healthcare costs. They don't have long waits either.

If your house is on fire, does the fire department take 2 days to respond? Where I live, they are very swift. That's a government service.

It's almost as if several countries have objectively better working systems already, and the US is just afraid of the socialist Boogeyman despite the government running plenty of services for us already.

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Right, because your local fire department will totally be


Oct 8, 2019, 2:29 PM

similar to the bureaucratic nightmare that would be nationalized healthcare in the US. I legitimately question the sanity and intelligence of anyone who thinks our government could roll out a cost efficient and time effective healthcare system for the entire country. Do you not remember the Obamacare website roll out? Aren't the Nordic countries moving more toward private health insurance, as well?

That's not even mentioning the difference in scale from Scandinavia to the US. I wonder if they'd have longer waits if they had 327 million people vs 21 million.

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I'm sorry you had to do that.


Oct 7, 2019, 5:00 PM [ in reply to It will only get more expensive if we do nothing. As ]

Obviously, your chid is very sick, and I am sorry to hear that.

That said..I am not sick. If 900 years of family history tells me anything, I'll die rather young, generally pretty healthy without an extended period of poor health.

Do you think its fair, or right, that I am forced to pay much higher taxes and insurance rates to subsidize those that choose not to maintain a healthy lifestyle, and cause their own health problems? Heart disease and cancer are humans' biggest killers. According to the CDC, 6/10 people who die from heart disease could have prevented their disease by living a healthier lifestyle.

But you're saying that I should be forced through penalized based taxation to subsidize those people?

Why should I be forced to pay for that?

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Why are you forced to pay for the military?


Oct 7, 2019, 5:08 PM

And have you even used the fire department yet? It's right there, waiting for you to use it, and you pay for it.

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The same for schools and the police.


Oct 7, 2019, 5:24 PM

I don't use those either.

Aside from dumping about 3.5-5 million people out of work almost immediately (insurance companies, RCM for doctors offices, collections, etc), government run healthcare will be the most expensive bill we've ever had.

We now have a $22 trillion debt. Add another 3.5 million folks in out of work folks, and who will be paying the taxes required to keep that thing alive?

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Healthcare accounts for nearly 20% of the US economy,


Oct 7, 2019, 5:21 PM [ in reply to I'm sorry you had to do that. ]

it will be a shared burden. You pay more taxes than those who are poor, how is this so different? Plenty of developed countries have successful models on how to do this, with better outcomes and less cost. Does it not make sense that we can do the same here? What if your personal cost is not as astronomic as the anti-single payer advocates suggest? There is simply better evidence to support it.

And for the obligatory healthcare story...I have a neighbor that works for a European company, he spends a lot of time in Germany. He messes up his shoulder, because old people shouldn't play competitive sports, and his doc tells him that insurance won't cover surgery right away because they measure a healing "factor" over 60-90 days before approving what they consider required surgery. Gets it looked at when he's in Hamburg, gets it fixed two days after initial consultation, paid less than $500, which the company covered for him. Which scenario is better?

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I'm failing to see how completely eliminating jobs of


Oct 7, 2019, 5:40 PM

an estimated 3.5-5 million people almost immediately in the RCM, payer/provider administration, Patient administration, hospital software/support, finance, and other non clinical healthcare jobs will be good for the economy. Where will thee folks go to work?

And would government run healthcare make this be different than paying "already more"? Because it will even more "already more"! What if my personal cost IS more than i'm already paying? How can we possibly pay for EVERYONE's healthcare (PLUS the 80 million that Bernie Sanders presently said have NO healthcare), eliminate the income taxes from 3.5 million people, and have our taxes go down? Do taxes EVER go down? And you want the same government who can't seemingly do ANYTHING correctly to own your healthcare?

What, aside from the military, has our government EVER done that is more efficient than the private sector? Highways? Prisons? Space Exploration? School buses? Not even that. Not even trash collection.

As stated earlier, "plenty of countries" aren't also expected to be the worlds police, needlessly subsidizing most of the world to keep them from warring with each other. Who will take over THAT responsibility and cost when we dismantle our military to pay for healthcare? Or do you think all those countries in the Mideast, Africa, and Europe will all of a sudden just start getting along?

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Re: I'm sorry you had to do that.


Oct 7, 2019, 5:35 PM [ in reply to I'm sorry you had to do that. ]


Obviously, your chid is very sick, and I am sorry to hear that.

That said..I am not sick. If 900 years of family history tells me anything, I'll die rather young, generally pretty healthy without an extended period of poor health.

Do you think its fair, or right, that I am forced to pay much higher taxes and insurance rates to subsidize those that choose not to maintain a healthy lifestyle, and cause their own health problems? Heart disease and cancer are humans' biggest killers. According to the CDC, 6/10 people who die from heart disease could have prevented their disease by living a healthier lifestyle.

But you're saying that I should be forced through penalized based taxation to subsidize those people?

Why should I be forced to pay for that?




Society can only move forward as it's slowest member. There are a lot of issues that individual American's rightly object their taxes being used for. I don't like my taxes going to $600 hammers or $1200 toilet seats.

But we all have to take the good with the bad. The part of the equation with both seem to leave out of our complaints is that of private industry. You blame higher premiums on the poor, rather than assigning any blame to the greed of Ins. Companies. I see idiots who sign contracts for hammers without assigning any blame to the manufacturers who have figured out how to game the system.

America's systems are deeply flawed and they need common sense solutions. The one thing that won't get either one of us what we want is to blame each other because of our view points.

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You sound like you are running for office.


Oct 7, 2019, 5:44 PM

Were you talking with your hands while simultaneously typing that?

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/oRO3/tom-steyer-businessman

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That's very Christlike of you to be unwilling to help keep Americans alive because of the cost


Oct 8, 2019, 1:25 PM [ in reply to I'm sorry you had to do that. ]

Jesus did talk a lot about how a rich man can never get into heaven if he is forced to shoulder the burden of helping poor people not die due to their own bad situations.

Because then he wouldn't be rich, and therefore can't get into heaven as a filthy poor person himself. I definitely remember Jesus being very adamant about fiscal responsibility when it comes to helping God's children meet their basic needs.

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Who said I was trying to be Christ like?


Oct 8, 2019, 1:55 PM

You should educate yourself, on your own time of course.

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Yeah then we will have fantastic public healthcare like Scandinavian countries


Oct 8, 2019, 1:19 PM [ in reply to The damage that will be done by state run healthcare will be ]

That sure would be a bummer to increase life expectancy and decrease healthcare costs for everyone.

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Thats fine.


Oct 8, 2019, 2:00 PM

Then who will support our massive military and keep the world policing in order?

But I'm sure all the Middle Eastern "-istan"s, N. Korea, and every banana republic in Middle America, South America, and Africa will be happy and fine when we stop paying them to behave themselves, right?

I'm good with having the best free healthcare in the world. But If I were you. I'd stock up on small arms and ammo, because when we go belly up bankrupt from funding all this stuff, you'll be fending off the hoards from every direction when we no longer have a military to do it for you.

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Re: Every day Trump is in office does incalculable damage to our


Oct 7, 2019, 4:53 PM [ in reply to Every day Trump is in office does incalculable damage to our ]

'How long will it take for ALL of our allies to trust us again?

As soon as Obama makes another apology tour.

'Trump is a best case scenario for Putin and Xi and he kowtows to them like a puppy begging for a treat.'

China loves the tariffs Trump slapped them with and Putin is loving that America is a net exporter of oil. Their economies are soaring.

I just figured I'd finish that delusion for you.

The Republican mantra of "democrats are evil socialists" is nothing but fear-based bullshid propagandas not a nightmare scenario to have a democrat in the WH..'

Being that socialist account for most of those running on the dem ticket now it's pretty clear without anyone saying anything.

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^^^gullible conservative media addict^^^***


Oct 7, 2019, 4:58 PM



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^^ Fox news tattoo on butt cheek***


Oct 8, 2019, 1:10 PM [ in reply to Re: Every day Trump is in office does incalculable damage to our ]



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how?***


Oct 7, 2019, 8:02 PM [ in reply to Every day Trump is in office does incalculable damage to our ]



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If she's a hollerer, she'll be a screamer.
If she's a screamer, she'll get you arrested.


I partially agree with you


Oct 8, 2019, 12:51 PM [ in reply to Every day Trump is in office does incalculable damage to our ]

Trump has and is doing damage.

BUT I disagree with you about the socialism. Its not a mere talking point. Other (mostly now dropped out of the race) democrat candidates also pointed to the socialism espoused by the likes of Bernie, Warren, Harris and others. The moderates and even traditional liberals in the Democrat party are shouted off the stage.

I realize we won't agree about the latter point but I'm not alone in this thinking. I'm not sure I'm willing to embrace "Medicaid for all" just because I don't like Trump. I could perhaps support Biden or Mayor Pete but it looks like Warren and that I can't do.

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Id go with the socialist democrat. Trump may have terrible ideas,


Oct 7, 2019, 4:47 PM

but the one thing this country has going for it is that he’s too much of a moron to get anything done. Thankfully he really hasn’t done much at all while in office, and he’s not going to change anytime soon.

Whereas a socialist Democrat has bad ideas and may actually be able to implement them.

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Trump hasn't done jack!


Oct 7, 2019, 5:04 PM

4 million new jobs have been created since the election, and more than 3.5 million since Trump took office.

More Americans are employed now than ever before in our history.

Jobless claims at lowest level in nearly five decades.

The economy has achieved the longest positive job-growth streak on record.

Job openings are at an all-time high and outnumber job seekers for the first time on record.

Unemployment claims at 50 year low

African-American, Hispanic, and Asian-American unemployment rates have all recently reached record lows.

African-American unemployment hit a record low of 5.9 percent in May 2018.

Hispanic unemployment at 4.5 percent.

Asian-American unemployment at record low of 2 percent.

Women’s unemployment recently at lowest rate in nearly 65 years.

Female unemployment dropped to 3.6 percent in May 2018, the lowest since October 1953.

Youth unemployment recently reached its lowest level in more than 50 years.

July 2018’s youth unemployment rate of 9.2 percent was the lowest since July 1966.

Veterans’ unemployment recently hit its lowest level in nearly two decades.

July 2018’s veterans’ unemployment rate of 3.0 percent matched the lowest rate since May 2001.

Unemployment rate for Americans without a high school diploma recently reached a record low.

Rate for disabled Americans recently hit a record low.

Blue-collar jobs recently grew at the fastest rate in more than three decades.

Poll found that 85 percent of blue-collar workers believe their lives are headed “in the right direction.”

68 percent reported receiving a pay increase in the past year.

Last year, job satisfaction among American workers hit its highest level since 2005.

Nearly two-thirds of Americans rate now as a good time to find a quality job.

Optimism about the availability of good jobs has grown by 25 percent.

Added more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since the election.

Manufacturing employment is growing at its fastest pace in more than two decades.

100,000 new jobs supporting the production & transport of oil & natural gas.

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Re: Trump hasn't done jack!


Oct 7, 2019, 5:41 PM

All of your points are accurate. But they're all about money. Last I checked, money is not found in founding documents nor in the values and ideals of our country beyond the ideal of equality of opportunity (which some continue to fight for).

You're points seem to ascribe to 1 man (which he clearly did not do himself), the success of public markets that he has no more than peripheral control over. You can call them "Trump Tax Cuts" but he didn't originate them, write them or vote on them in Congress. He just signed what they gave him.

Other than money, what other successes can you list for Trump.

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Two Justices seated on the SCOTUS and about another 150...


Oct 7, 2019, 7:51 PM

judges on the federal bench. The millions who are no longer taking food stamps and welfare don't have to submit to government to be fed and they don't have to be ashamed to check out at the grocery store. They can buy clothes for their children, take vacations and drive dependable automobiles.

If you think these factors aren't part of Trump's popularity you're missing the point, Felix.

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Everything you wrote falls under the category of the economy


Oct 8, 2019, 1:51 AM [ in reply to Trump hasn't done jack! ]

is good. Which is true. And to Trump’s credit, he hasn’t done anything to screw that up. But all of the positive economic numbers are just continuations of multi-year trends that started before Trump. He did not take actions to cause them. Unemployment and jobs created numbers and all of that were trending that way pre Trump, he’s just stayed out of the way enough to keep them going.

Also, the economy is the only thing he can point to as a positive. Nothing you wrote address any of his other campaign promises. Given his trade war with China and the softening of the global economy, if the economy does go into a recession, he will lose the only platform he can stand on.

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How's that deficit he pledged to eliminate?***


Oct 8, 2019, 1:13 PM [ in reply to Trump hasn't done jack! ]



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Re: who does more damage during the next 4 years


Oct 7, 2019, 5:27 PM

Megalomaniacs are contrary to American values and ideals.

A socialist is limited by Congress (Warren isn't a socialist, but she does propose policies to correct long term deficiencies in our systems, whether viewed as good or bad).

I would lean toward a center-right candidate with morals and character. You should run Alex, you're pretty reasonable. Although I do think you fail to acknowledge the difficulties of trans-hippos.

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Re: who does more damage during the next 4 years


Oct 7, 2019, 5:35 PM


a socialist-democrat with narrow majorities in the Congress; or

a megalomaniac Trump with a Democrat Congress but an overactive twitter account




Which Dems are "socialist"?

This is one of the great victories of this Alt-Right spin machine, that's equated "socialism" with "democratic". And by "democratic" I don't mean just the party, I mean democracy in general, and even free markets in general.

Forgive me, but guys who herp and derp that tired fallacy are bending over and delivering the country to the mega-rich with their sheer effing stupidity. At least make them buy you a drink first.

Or better yet, figure out what socialism is...and what it isn't.

Liz Warren isn't a socialist, for instance, though I keep catching her tacking too far left on things like reparations for slavery...my hope is that she abandons such stupidity once the primaries are over because I think she's going to win the Democratic nomination. What Warren mostly is, is a progressive economist who's trying to restore the "free market" the GOP claims to believe in but has utterly abandoned...in another era, she would have been a progressive Republican, when such a thing existed. Basically she's just trying to restore the anti-trust laws (and updated variations of those!) that broke up the monopolies in the last Gilded Age - economists all agree we're in another one. The last one saw guys like JD Rockefeller, Cornelius Vanderbilt, JP Morgan, and Andrew Carnegie (the so-called "robber barons") accumulate not just vast amounts of wealth but immense control over our politics...and the fact that you still remember these names more than a hundred years later tells you how much wealth and power they had.

The US government broke those monopolies up, and for a long time (most of the 1900's) was hostile to the very notion of mega-corporations (then called "trusts", hence the name) and for 75+ years, small business really was the lifeblood of America. (Not coincidentally, this was also America's golden age that Trump - who is a billionaire making America even more friendly to billionaires is in no way "bringing back".)

We got away from anti-trust laws in the '80's...with the consequences you see today. Now the mega-corps are back in full force...and all of a sudden, wages are flat and costs of living are soaring, and the middle class is evaporating again.

Anti-trust isn't "socialism", by the way. It's actually the opposite since the first thing socialism does is nationalize big companies, resources, and utilities, and create those monopolies by design. No - breaking up monopolies is how you keep free markets free because the key to free markets is competition. That's 101 level econ, by the way, for those who don't know - which is seemingly most everybody in the modern GOP right now. (Which amazes me, it really does.)

And somehow Warren's economic views - which were dead-center mainstream in around 1950 in regards to the role of government versus big business - are somehow "far left" today...even "socialist."

Yeesh. We've fallen a ways.

Joe Biden is hardly a "socialist" either. Honestly I couldn't even tell you what his platform is, other than offend as few people as possible, smile winningly, and keep right on keeping on with the status quo. If he has an actual political ideology no one has yet to see it and he's almost 80 years old.

Bernie? Sure. He's a socialist democrat, which is kind of "socialist lite." He wants public everything. But he's about a mile away from being VI Lenin, too. Anybody who thinks Bernie's a commie needs a new pair of glasses, and if people keep bleating that stuff in my ear I swear I'm gonna whump them upside the head with a copy of One Day In the Life of Ivan Denisovich until the difference finally sinks in. But if you're really bent on fighting socialism, go shake your fist at Bernie in one of his Town Halls. You might wanna hurry, though - he's not gonna win this time around either for the simple fact that America is simply not a socialist nation and he's having heart problems to boot...so your window for fighting socialism is running out.

(AOC is 29, by the way...she can't run for another 6 years...which means 2028 at the earliest!)

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All you need to know:


Oct 7, 2019, 6:00 PM

Every single democrat is the HOR and US Senate voted against the tax cut.

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Your eloquently derived thoughts are


Oct 7, 2019, 7:26 PM

astounding, Mem. Bravo!!!


Lulz

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Re: All you need to know:


Oct 8, 2019, 8:03 AM [ in reply to All you need to know: ]

As they should have. You don't cut taxes when the economy is doing well and you are running a massive deficit. A short-lived marginal increase isn't worth the pain down the road and is very short sighted.

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As they should have. Only benefited the rich


Oct 8, 2019, 1:36 PM [ in reply to All you need to know: ]

And the sugar rush is now disappating, leaving the economy headed down the tubes. Great job.

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"headed down the tubes"....


Oct 8, 2019, 2:01 PM

That's a lot of FUD after the report last Friday of the lowest unemployment in 51 years.

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If you knew anything about Macroeconomics


Oct 8, 2019, 2:23 PM

You would know that the labor market is always the last facet of the economy to suffer from downturn. Once unemployment rises, it's way too late.

1. The treasury yield curve inverts.

2. GDP growth rate slows

3. Corporate profits decline

4. Wage inflation stagnates

(Fed quantitative easing starts here)

5. Manufacturing PMI contracts

6. Services PMI contracts

7. Consumer confidence wanes, hiring slows

8. Unemployment grows

9. Full recession

We are sitting between steps 6 and 7. But sure let's admire the drapery on the house that's flooding.

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wait.....is your degree really in Marketing?


Oct 8, 2019, 2:27 PM

bwhahahaha

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Ignore my points, attack my undergrad degree -sounds about right for


Oct 23, 2019, 2:01 PM

Someone who can't refute actual data.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/caterpillar-earnings-recession-points-more-110000337.html

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pulling one from the archives, huh?


Oct 23, 2019, 2:09 PM

Here's one you may have heard about:



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