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All-In [30593]
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Would anyone disagree that, at least for the past few years
Oct 21, 2014, 1:45 PM
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our regular season has been defined by two games, FSU and UCS? Would you agree that, if you want to win the ACC, beat FSU, period? Would you agree that, if you want national respect, beat your instate rival from the SEC?
Do you agree that no one cares about the games against Cuse, WF, or even GT? Those are games we should win, and we have... so why give them a second look.
Do you agree that our performance in the said, big games, has left a lot to be desired? Do you agree that we have had every chance imagineable to be a player on the national scene, at the end of the season?
Would you agree that we have not taken the steps to be in that position over the last 3-4 years?
If so...
why in the hell should be be ranked higher, or not fall as far, or whatever the hell else you want to contribute to a conspiracy?
i'm all ears
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Because Oklahoma lost to middle of the road teams
Oct 21, 2014, 1:47 PM
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ECU lost to the coots, Ohio State lost at home to VTech. We lost to top 5 teams on the road. Look at the disparity between our FPI and our ranking.
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All-In [30593]
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did you try to switch from single to plural in your post
Oct 21, 2014, 1:49 PM
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without anyone taking notice?
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All-TigerNet [12505]
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Shhh
Oct 21, 2014, 1:53 PM
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That was supposed to be a secret.
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I don't think anyone else noticed, so you're good***
Oct 21, 2014, 1:56 PM
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All-Conference [406]
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OU started out higher though. We started 1-2. No matter
Oct 21, 2014, 1:54 PM
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if we looked good at FSU, we werent moving up with losses. Since then, other teams have had bigger wins than us over NCST, Louisville, etc., causing them to jump us. Bottom line, pollsters give more respect to a team that beats a good team then loses to garbage than they do a team that loses to two top-10 teams and beats everyone else. Had we beat FSU then lost to BC we'd be getting more respect than we are now. I think its backwards but it is what it is. Win out, finish 10-2 and we wont have to worry about it late Novemeber. No 2-loss team is making it in anyway unless theyre SEC West.
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Re: OU started out higher though. We started 1-2. No matter
Oct 21, 2014, 2:12 PM
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I understand that logic but why was a 5-1 Louisville team not ranked at all?? with the best defense in the country? If we beat a 23rd ranked UofL team and 25th ranked BC team I think that helps, but the fact is other conferences beat up on each other and its normal...the ACC cant have decent teams that beat each other that's just not right, in other ppls minds FSU is the only good team...which is BS in my opinion...there is no way that UofL shouldn't have been ranked when we played them....it makes those wins look a little better I don't care what anyone says.
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All-In [30593]
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spin it how you want... but you can't blame our bed wetting
Oct 21, 2014, 2:13 PM
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against FSU and SCU lately on BC and UofL not being ranked
no sir
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Re: spin it how you want... but you can't blame our bed wetting
Oct 21, 2014, 2:29 PM
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Not saying that at all...I am just saying those wins that we had to struggle in look better, you cant deny that...and instead of oh look how bad they look...it would be well look what all they are missing and playing without and still competing pretty high...I mean we just beat two top ten defenses although it was not pretty look what we are missing. If that happens to two teams in the top 25 (even if its like 24/25) that is more respectable... BC was a pretty good team and had the same record before we played them with a pretty good win over USC, more than we have donw..UofL was 5-1 with the best Def in the country that team should have been ranked. It changes perception I don't care how you look at it.
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I was about to say the same...both are Top 15!**
Oct 21, 2014, 7:40 PM
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Re: Would anyone disagree that, at least for the past few years
Oct 21, 2014, 1:48 PM
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TU! I agree completely!
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No one cares about the games against Cuse, WF, or even GT...
Oct 21, 2014, 2:02 PM
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unless we loose them.
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Re: Would anyone disagree that, at least for the past few years
Oct 21, 2014, 2:02 PM
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Everything that you have said is true and has been true for multiple years now. Like a drunk falling off of the wagon, we seem to whiff when it matters the most. Our big wins against Auburn, OSU and LSU have kept us in the picture, but we must beat FSU and our little brother to the south if we want to be nation-wide. With that said, we must give props to those that have brought us from where we were to where we are now. It is time for the next step.
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Do you agree that
Oct 21, 2014, 2:03 PM
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You think pretty highly of yourself and your super l33t TNET posting status?
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All-In [30593]
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yes
Oct 21, 2014, 2:06 PM
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No, yes, no, no, no, yes, yes, no, because we seem to be
Oct 21, 2014, 2:06 PM
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penalized in the rankings more than other teams for what is very arguably comparable losses.
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Re: No, yes, no, no, no, yes, yes, no, because we seem to be
Oct 21, 2014, 2:07 PM
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comparing teams
or comparing their one loss to our 2?
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Legend [15730]
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Comparing the impact of one loss of ours to one loss
Oct 21, 2014, 2:20 PM
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of another team.
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All-In [45664]
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Re: What kind of coffee do you drink?
Oct 21, 2014, 2:07 PM
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Tks
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Re: Would anyone disagree that, at least for the past few years
Oct 21, 2014, 2:12 PM
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Yes
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Accurate fact based post.
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110%er [5977]
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Enjoy every win while it last! Because things change
Oct 21, 2014, 2:16 PM
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Just ask UF!! We could of hired Muschamp like a lot of Tigernet posters wanted and he could of driven our program in the ground.
If you don't care about and enjoy beating GaTech then you aren't a true Clemson fan!! It's a lot of fun going into Atlanta and beating that bunch of slide rule nerds. Wake Forest? I remember just a few years ago when everyone enjoyed and cared about beating Wake, when it took a last second field goal to get it done.
Enjoy the wins they aren't given nor should they be taken for granted. On one thought Hatfield could completely ruin Clemson football. Look how long it took to recover...
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who said i didn't care?
Oct 21, 2014, 2:19 PM
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luv beating the bees... but that ain't gonna turn national heads like people on here seem to think it should...
we get that chance twice a year, sometimes 3... and lately we're batting about .140
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Re: who said i didn't care?
Oct 21, 2014, 2:23 PM
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With your post I took it that way. If I'm wrong I'm sorry. I think we will still finish the year in the top 7 with a 11-2 record.
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I also think it's easier to drop a team off the radar if
Oct 21, 2014, 2:18 PM
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they start 1-2, vs. losing one mid season or later on in the season. By then you've already shown consistency. If you start 1-2, you get the feeling there may be more losses to come.
All this may be wrong...just offering maybe a reason for the poll issue. I know statistically, the odds of getting into a playoff drop substantially when you start 1-2 vs. 3-0 therefore that may show in the polls and makes it hard to recover from.
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I don't think there is a conspiracy, I do think there is
Oct 21, 2014, 2:25 PM
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bias in the polls, I do think we are better than some of the teams in front of us, I do think we shoot ourselves in the foot in big games and I understand how that impacts perception and poll ranking and I understand that we only have ourselves to blame for that.
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These are straw man positions and stupid
Oct 21, 2014, 2:30 PM
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(1) Our regular season has been defined by winning 10 games- not losing 2 games the last two years to two teams who last year finished 1 and 4. That was still good enough to get us into a BCS game but not good enough for you. Of course you want to win them all but good coaching has you win the games you should and maybe win some you should not. No one in the country was as good as FSU last year. I concede we pissed the bed against USC and managed to win the line of scrimmage but lose 6 turnovers.
(2) You don't care about GT, WF, or Cuse precisely because of our success. You take it for granted that we will beat these teams because Swinney has had so much success. We have had periods where we could not beat GT. George O Leary and Friedgen regularly spanked us. I have been to Wake more than once and come home sad.
(3) The Orange Bowl victory, beating LSU, beating Georgia last year in the featured opener are all big games. We have lost some too. That is the nature of big games. That is why they are big. This is not a video game. you don't win them all.
(4) Facilities upgrade - check, recruiting - check, increased national exposure - check, increased revenue - check, coaching stability - check. ### are you talking about?
I hate this internet fan #### and moan. How many championships does FSU have? 3 right. So those other 14 straight years of top 5 finishes are meaningless to you because they blew it in a big game. How about you, are you the best in the country at what you do? are you just not taking the steps?
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Re: These are straw man positions and stupid
Oct 21, 2014, 2:37 PM
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I, for one, don't give a crap whether Bowden could beat Wake or Maryland or not. Talk about a straw man.
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Rock Defender [56]
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Re: These are straw man positions and stupid
Oct 21, 2014, 2:42 PM
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And danny couldn't beat N.C. State and pissed the bed against Duke and GT in 1989 with the best team in the country. Is that a straw man?
How about steve spurrier losing to an unranked team every single year when the east has been wide open.
Or Alabama choking against Auburn and getting their behinds kicked in 2 of their most recent bowl games.
What about Oregon or Oklahoma State losing right on the edge of the national title game?
All chokers, all failing to take the next step - fire them all
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We got into the BCS in 2011 because we beat FSU and won the
Oct 21, 2014, 2:43 PM
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ACC and again in 2013 because FSU went to the national championship. Plain and simple. Our championships rely on beating FSU. Eventually any hope we have of making the playoffs will rely on beating USuC.
I'm glad that the fact USuC finished number 4 makes you feel better. Losing to them is unacceptable. Especially when we turn the ball over 5 times.
You "hate this internet fan #### and moan..." but you're ######## and moaning. Interesting.
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Re: We got into the BCS in 2011 because we beat FSU and won the
Oct 21, 2014, 2:54 PM
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Internet fan talk - we are not taking the steps necessary for championships
reality - in 120 years we have 1. They are hard to achieve. By every measurable standard, Clemson is better off now than it ever has been.
Internet fan talk - we fail to show in big games
reality - In the last 3 years we have beaten OSU, FSU, LSU, and Auburn and Georgia
Internet fan talk - the USC game matters most
reality - recruits don't care and the national media could care less about that game. Alabama lost 6 in a row to Auburn recently. Everyone wants to win that game but acting like the program hinges on it ignores the established facts.
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you're an idiot***
Oct 21, 2014, 4:34 PM
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then i'll take the stupid for this juan
Oct 21, 2014, 2:44 PM
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(1) You, me, and everyone else knows the Atlantic division championship game, and likely ACCCG, is Clemson vs. FSU. We have wet the bed in the one game we needed, what, 4 of the last 5 years with the hightest paid staff in the country. We then cry about respect, and we get a top rated SEC team in UCS every year, and have lost 5 in a row.
(2) I care about all Clemson games, but you and i both know those games aren't gonna turn national heads. If you know that, then stop crying about bias, 10 win seasons, etc...
(3) The Orange Bowl is great, but it's also a consolation prize for not getting the job done the past few years. We're there b/c FSU played for the national title. We're 1-1 against UGA the last two years, so we get about the respect we deserve for that.
(4) Highest paid staff in cfb - 1-8 in our last 9 vs. FSU and SCU---- check
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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OMG YOU ARE SUCH A COOT***
Oct 21, 2014, 2:52 PM
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I see you've discovered that pompous sarcasm
Oct 21, 2014, 2:56 PM
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is the way to get points on T-Net.
Remember when you used to post the news at 5am and then we'd have an actual discussion. Those were the days.
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All-In [30593]
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first of all... you think i'm trying to get, or care about
Oct 21, 2014, 3:01 PM
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points? after 9 years... not so much
secondly, those days flew the window when all the morons were admitted and now all the discussion is how clemson is being jobbed and espn is in this big consipiracy and how we really aren't loosing games to FSU and SCU, it only seems like it
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: first of all... you think i'm trying to get, or care about
Oct 21, 2014, 3:21 PM
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Pointing out the juxtaposition between being happy with winning 10 games over lower-mid-tier ACC schools and getting upset at not being considered a national power is a lost cause. People don't want to hear it. It's the kind of reasoning that made me stop trying to talk football seriously around here a while ago. I see you're still fighting.
Are you insane?
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Re: Would anyone disagree that, at least for the past few years
Oct 21, 2014, 3:17 PM
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No I do not agree with your premise. The season is not defined by 2 games no matter who they are against. The FSU game was big but it was not the only game of the year (any year)The USC game is huge every year and I wish That Clemson would win and I believe they will just like they have the vast majority of my 49 years on earth! Last season had a lot of big games Georgia was a huge game last year and this year. Beating Ohio State in the Orange Bowl was a big game and the year before beating LSU was huge. Each game is tuff and to say the coaches or the players or the program does not take the appropriate step to get to the next level is ludicrous. The only losses came to a conference champion oh who happened to be National Champion and USC finished ranked top 5 (I think I know top 10) the next step is national championship and those do not come to any program very often.
Some of you are never pleased never happy and can never congratulate your own team for a job well done you only bash and find fault.
I choose to enjoy each and every game and pull for the Tigers regardless of the final score. When Clemson wins its next championship I will enjoy that even more and I will know that each person from previous years teams helped get them there. I dare say many on this board will just say its about time and then find something to complain about.
Go Tigers!
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i didn't say it was defined by two games... in the sense
Oct 21, 2014, 3:20 PM
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that we can still have a successfull season
but if you don't think those two games define our season in the eyes of the nation, media, etc... then you're wrong.
if you accept that as fact... then you can't ##### and moan about not having any respect (not saying you are)...
just sayin'
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Re: yes yes yes no yes no
Oct 21, 2014, 3:23 PM
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I missed a conspiracy?
I want to believe...it takes a bit of good luck.
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Re: Would anyone disagree that, at least for the past few years
Oct 21, 2014, 3:33 PM
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Yes I disagree. Thanks for asking. All ears must be a difficult way to live. Best of luck.
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all ears.... no brains.. end of story***
Oct 21, 2014, 3:48 PM
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Re: all ears.... no brains.. end of story***
Oct 21, 2014, 3:49 PM
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^^^Bewm. Your argument is now invalid york. How you gonna refute this?
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amazing how that can work....
Oct 21, 2014, 3:51 PM
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reply to a post full of facts with an elementary school, sarcastic remark
not that i mind the remark as much as i mind the blank post message reserves for facts to dispute me
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: amazing how that can work....
Oct 21, 2014, 3:53 PM
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How difficult it must be for you to live when NOTHING satisfies you. NOT EVEN A 10 WIN SEASON.
I don't know how you look at yerself in the mirror york. You must be a miserable, unhappy person to think this way.
#amidoinitright?
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it's not the 10 win season that bothers me so much...
Oct 21, 2014, 3:56 PM
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its the non-respect in the polls
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Re: it's not the 10 win season that bothers me so much...
Oct 21, 2014, 4:07 PM
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Juance we beat Syracuse by 13 this weekend that will really show the doubters.
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We have equalled if not surpassed the sustained success
Oct 21, 2014, 7:14 PM
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of Danny Ford's era, less a nat championship. And that is as good as anything Clemson has ever had. Could Danny win a nat championship now? I do not know that answer but worth thinking about. We've got it good. Period.
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