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The Dems part II. APM's take:
Jun 28, 2019, 6:30 AM
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1) Bernie won. I admire him for acknowledging being a socialist and admitting he'd raise taxes. At least he tells the truth.
2) Biden got his butt kcked. That pass the torch 32 years ago line was dirty!
3) Kamala and Gillibrand came off as b*tches. Especially Gillibrand. Yuck.
4) Yang disappointed.
5) the gay dude did pretty well but America ain't electing a #### for POTUS. Not yet.
6) Hickenlooper or whatever his name is was OK but has little charisma.
7) hated the "tales of sickness and student loans" they all shared. Not believable.
It'll be Bernie vs. Poke for the nomination. I like Warren pretty well.
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Re: The Dems part II. APM's take:
Jun 28, 2019, 6:34 AM
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I think Warren gets the nomination. She might have a chance to win if the doesn't double down with decriminalizing illegal immigration. She was lucky she wasnt in that debate last night.
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Re: The Dems part II. APM's take:
Jun 28, 2019, 7:41 AM
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Biden is so scared of making an inappropriate comment these days that he is not even in the moment. He is terrible, both Policy Wise and his performance up on the Big Stage. I was embarrassed for him when he debated Paul Ryan few years back. The man has his moments, just not that often.
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Joe looked like he was struggling to keep up.
Jun 28, 2019, 9:12 AM
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It was as if his mind was lagging from overload or that time had changed around him and his mind was a bit in the past.
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Re: The Dems part II. APM's take:
Jun 28, 2019, 9:31 AM
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I agree to a point but I see a man at total loss as what to do with the whackadoodles around him.His party has left him and headed off a cliff and he is powerless to slow it's eventual crash to the bottom . He is befuddled with having to adopt the crazy left ideas to win the nomination.
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Re: The Dems part II. APM's take:
Jun 28, 2019, 2:16 PM
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Biden is so scared of making an inappropriate comment these days that he is not even in the moment. He is terrible, both Policy Wise and his performance up on the Big Stage. I was embarrassed for him when he debated Paul Ryan few years back. The man has his moments, just not that often.
You're exactly right. Biden looked spooked. I guess it's hard to be charismatic when your butt-cheeks are clinched that tight.
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Re: The Dems part II. APM's take:
Jun 28, 2019, 7:58 AM
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After watching the DEM 2020 political suicide debates all I can do is laugh. Right there it was for the taking, most unpopular President in history and you clowns manage to put on that dumpster fire? All I can say is 2020 Trump will still be President and you lose the House too. Rightfully so to I nmight add. WHat a platform of whackadoodle stuff spouted on TV the past 2 nights.
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Trump is not the most unpopular president in history.
Jun 28, 2019, 9:41 AM
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That's a dem lie. He might be in their minds but I don't recognize that as rational. Dems hate him because he beat them and the rational dems know there's no unseating this president with the current field of challengers.
Dems have lost touch with reality. Antifa rioting in the street using fascist activities to fight fascism. Transgenders dominating women's sports. Dems have no idea how to even address these incidents and ignoring them will and has grown the infection within the party.
Meanwhile back at the farm, Trump has lowered taxes which attracts voters like me who never believed he would keep that promise, nominated ~150 constitutional conservative judges, another promise kept and changed some of the laws which oppressed blacks and other minorities reforming justice which got the attention of one of the left's major voting blocks.
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Re: The Dems part II. APM's take:
Jun 28, 2019, 8:06 AM
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Bernie still has not told the WHOLE truth on taxes for those crack dreams, it will require taxes on all not just the middle,upper, well off and Scrouge McDuck folks. A VAT willl be needed just like in all other countries with free stuff and everyone pays those so he is still fudging his message.
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He won't get elected POTUS. But he told more truth than your average oil.***
Jun 28, 2019, 8:57 AM
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Re: He won't get elected POTUS. But he told more truth than your average oil.***
Jun 28, 2019, 9:19 AM
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Wanna add something to that as I am not understanding it as written.
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autocorrect - "pol" not oil***
Jun 28, 2019, 12:07 PM
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Re: autocorrect - "pol" not oil***
Jun 28, 2019, 12:22 PM
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Thanks for that, yes but he prevaricated for so long saying only those evil rich guys would pay he gets little in the way of applause from me. He has always lied on the way forward to pay for it, lauds Norways while ignoring they have roughly the same population as SC . Plus they have the largest Sovereign Wealth Fund in the world to defray those cost. The man is pied piper for fools.
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strongly agree with no. 3.***
Jun 28, 2019, 9:17 AM
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The thing to remember this far out....
Jun 28, 2019, 9:29 AM
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there is a better chance of the situation changing from where it stands today (Bernie vs. Poke....or Biden in the lead in the polls) versus staying as-is.
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Re: The thing to remember this far out....
Jun 28, 2019, 9:33 AM
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True but it is gonna be a leftist sideshow all the way through the nominating process and leaves little time to attempt a walkback to the center before election time., See Mitt for how that works.
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They are fighting to see who can be the most liberal***
Jun 28, 2019, 9:43 AM
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Re: They are fighting to see who can be the most liberal***
Jun 28, 2019, 9:51 AM
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I was hoping for a sane Dem to be nominated, seems that is out the window now. Did not vote for Trump in 2016 but certainly will based upoon that dumpster fire debates.
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It happens frequently in primaries....
Jun 28, 2019, 11:00 AM
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but just take a look at the GOP side last go around. At this point, Jeb Bush was the presumptive nominee and Trump had just announced and was seen a long shot at best
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Re: It happens frequently in primaries....
Jun 28, 2019, 11:07 AM
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Yup but I do not see anyone jumping out the woodpile to annouce and runaway with the nomination. This what the Dems horse looks like and they are gonna have to run what they brung. Much like Mitt had to do on the Repub side , they will have to appear and appeal to the far extremes to win. It is just where they are currently and much like Mitt those things will be hard to walk back after securing the nomination.
Some may actually be believers in their line of stuff, some may be giving lip service but it still ellicits a reaction with voters that is gonna be hard to dispell. Old Bernie is a believer.
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that Quote by Harris about food on the table...
Jun 28, 2019, 4:26 PM
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Sen. Kamala Harris: "America does not want to witness a food fight. They want to know how we're going to put food on their table"
Wow. Sums up a fundamental mindset difference quite nicely. I doubt it ever even occurred to her what about that wording would be a red flag.
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Re: that Quote by Harris about food on the table...
Jun 28, 2019, 4:46 PM
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Good catch as I had missed that, must have been laughing at the clown show at the time. Yeah, I never worried about how the government was gonna put food on my table as that was/is my resposibility. The whole mindset of DEMS is we are here to take care of you, thanks but no thanks.
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She offered obligate the gov to feel everyone in America.
Jun 29, 2019, 10:07 AM
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I don't know how it is in your world but in a man's world his ability to feed his wife, children, clothe them, supply their basic and fundamental needs is a measure of a man's value. I suppose that is considered toxic masculinity now but traditionally a man's natural desire to work and care for his family is directly related to his self esteem.
My dear mother came to visit me when my first child was born. I had move to Englewood, TN a small town about 50 miles from our hometown, for work. After three weekend visits I noticed her first thing was to check my kitchen cabinets and send my step father to the store to fill out her list of things she believed we 'needed.'
With love and much respect I made it clear that if she insisted on determining dominating my wife's kitchen she would be unwelcomed in my house. My wife never complained, she didn't see my position because she's a woman. It wasn't like I wasn't working, paying the bills and supplying everything we needed and it wasn't an ego thing for me as much as someone trying to relieve me of my responsibility to my family.
That attitude is exactly why I love Trump's job creation ability. It provides for a man to be a man and not feel like he can't survive without government help. Maybe you've never examined these natural feelings and maybe I'm a little too close to my feminine side but that's my heritage.
Was she wrong? I sure hope so cause if not then I've spent my entire adult life in some masculine delusion that a man who won't work and feed his family is less than an infidel. That's not spin and it's not because some smart brother said it first. This was my first consideration when Harris made the statement.
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Re: She offered obligate the gov to feel everyone in America.
Jun 29, 2019, 9:59 PM
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I understand exactly what your saying, I was raised the same way. But I think you give Trump waaay too much credit. He signed legislation that was written by other people. He had said repeatedly he'd sign anything the Republicans put on his desk. So they did and he did. You can thank Paul Ryan and Mitch McConell. Trump had very little to do with it. And our economy began to grow in 2010 and it continues to go up. This after the disaster created the last time the Republicans cut taxes and increased spending. This economy is a bubble thats going to burst.
When you say:
"That attitude is exactly why I love Trump's job creation ability. It provides for a man to be a man and not feel like he can't survive without government help."
I'm puzzled by the contradiction. Trump's the President, he is the government. So really what your saying is "That attitude is exactly why I love the governments job creation ability. It provides for a man to be a man and not feel like he can't survive without government help.
I agree wholeheartedly in what you say about what is means to be a man, I was raised the same way.
But the fact is that Obama created more jobs in his first 2 years than Trump has. But Trump is the hero and Obama is Satan.
I don't get it brother, I just don't.
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It's not even about being a man. It's self-respect period.
Jun 30, 2019, 9:46 AM
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None of us do it alone, but there is no better feeling than knowing that by your hard work you've provided for yourself, your family, and maybe even some employees, associates, etc.
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Re: It's not even about being a man. It's self-respect period.
Jun 30, 2019, 10:10 AM
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True, but what does that have to do with the comment by Harris?
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Re: that Quote by Harris about food on the table...
Jun 28, 2019, 6:59 PM
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Sen. Kamala Harris: "America does not want to witness a food fight. They want to know how we're going to put food on their table"
Wow. Sums up a fundamental mindset difference quite nicely. I doubt it ever even occurred to her what about that wording would be a red flag.
That's a very astute point Swarley, I had not thought of that, good pick up there.
I think it's like a lot of things, what is heard often depends on the listener. Trump's words after Charlottesville "There are good people on both sides" is a good example. A lot of sincere people on the left heard "there is nothing wrong with racists marching around chanting "the Jews will not defeat us'. On the other hand, lot of sincere people on the right heard "there are a lot of good people who honor their confederate heritage" and they don't necessarily associate their heritage with racism. (I was raised to try to emulate our age old southern traditions of honor, integrity, gallantry, charity and honesty. Those things that were embodied in men like Stonewall Jackson and Robert E.Lee. But my family would not tolerate racism and thought it against God's will.)
In so far as Harris' words, sincere people on the right may have heard 'it's governments job to put food on our tables'. While sincere people on the left heard her advocating for policies that would increase wages and decrease those things that take food off our tables like odious insurance premiums and tuition.
Neither side is all wrong or all right. The point I guess I'm trying to make is that there is room for both sides to hear what they hear...but still come together, without animus, and reach common ground.
We demonize each other, egged on by biased media and our others in our tribes. It's like a circular firing squad. That is the tragedy of our current political discourse.
(the exception would be Doc Tesla, he hates everyone equally  )
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Re: that Quote by Harris about food on the table...
Jun 29, 2019, 9:07 AM
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That was a great post Felix. If their big ideas ALL require massive tax increases on all can someone explain to me just how that increases the ease with which I am able to put food on the table? It does seem at odds with reality does it not? My house note would remain the same, same for car note, ,insurance for home/car guess I could do without air conditioning /heat,but the point is the biggest monthly items are pretty set and there is no way to lower them. SO if you propose all this stuff, you and I both know it will require all to pay higher taxes, just what point was she trying to make? Side note she has he " I was that little girl " shirts for sale day after debates.Snicker,snicker.
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Harris does not care about working class voters.
Jun 29, 2019, 10:21 AM
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She is targeting a class of people who do not work and pay taxes. The left has given up on the middle class and replacing American voters with illegals from Mexico and Central America.
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Re: Harris does not care about working class voters.
Jun 30, 2019, 10:12 AM
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You have to be an American to vote
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Re: that Quote by Harris about food on the table...
Jun 29, 2019, 9:49 PM
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That was a great post Felix. If their big ideas ALL require massive tax increases on all can someone explain to me just how that increases the ease with which I am able to put food on the table? It does seem at odds with reality does it not? My house note would remain the same, same for car note, ,insurance for home/car guess I could do without air conditioning /heat,but the point is the biggest monthly items are pretty set and there is no way to lower them. SO if you propose all this stuff, you and I both know it will require all to pay higher taxes, just what point was she trying to make? Side note she has he " I was that little girl " shirts for sale day after debates.Snicker,snicker.
That's a great point Dad and in all honesty I don't know. It depends on the influence by corporations, special interests and the wealthiest people in the country and what effect they have on policy. If it's a tax increase on the those folks, sort of a take back of the 83% benefit of the Trump tax cut then no, you wouldn't see any increase in taxes at all.
On the other hand, if the aforementioned have a lot of impact, like they currently have with Trump, then you and I will get hammered.
It's difficult to predict. Trump got elected in large part because people all over the country wanted someone to fix this system. It's a rigged system and it needs to be fixed.
Are we better off now because of Trump? Possibly, 401Ks are doing well, taxes have been cut so that' a little extra money in our pocket. Economys doing good. But I think the credit goes to Mitch McConell and Paul Ryan. Trump just signed their legislation.
But are we better off? I'm 64 years old and I've never seen this country so angry and so divided. There is a child in charge and everyone is freaking out. 
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