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Orange Blooded [3193]
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The least Kent St. could have done was....
Jun 21, 2012, 2:25 PM
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drag it out into an extra inning game or until 8pm or so. Instead they have one of the shortest games all season. The coots catch all the breaks, even the ones you might not think about like having a short game and having time to rest in between games.
That golden horseshoe is still hanging out of their ####
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It couldn't be that the pitcher on the mound...
Jun 21, 2012, 2:26 PM
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Happens to be really good at getting outs early in the count and knows how to locate, being one of the best in the country at both. It is obviously all because of luck.
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Locating that generous expanded strike zone
Jun 21, 2012, 2:27 PM
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also helps. Not saying he can't do it consistently, though
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Pitchers that can locate get big strike zones.
Jun 21, 2012, 2:29 PM
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And he knows it. Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux made HOF careers off of it.
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So
Jun 21, 2012, 2:30 PM
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As long as he throws just outside for every batter, the ump will give it to him?
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You start on the corner. The umpire calls it a strike.
Jun 21, 2012, 2:32 PM
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Keep hitting that location over and over, and you can start to expand it. Throw one one inch further outside, and it looks just like the last one. Strike. Two inches further next inning. Strike.
Manipulating an umpire's zone is a skill.
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110%er [5249]
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Now I understand
Jun 21, 2012, 2:33 PM
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All great pitchers are swindlers
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Re: Now I understand
Jun 21, 2012, 2:34 PM
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No just the coot one's
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This is how pitchers have been pitching...
Jun 21, 2012, 2:38 PM
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Throughout the history of baseball. The good ones, anyway.
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If you want to put it that way.
Jun 21, 2012, 2:35 PM
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Not ALL great pitchers can do this. Pitchers with a certain skill set of control can do it. Some great pitchers succeed with power.
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110%er [5249]
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I mean, that is what they're doing
Jun 21, 2012, 2:39 PM
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Not saying it isn't a useful/great skill, but it is manipulation.
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So is throwing a curve ball on a 3-2 count.
Jun 21, 2012, 2:41 PM
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So is pounding your glove behind a runner to make him think you're right behind him. So is "framing pitches". Sports are full of manipulating the minds of the competition, and even the officials.
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I don't agree with framing much either
Jun 21, 2012, 2:45 PM
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You want to fool a player? Fine. Fooling the refs/umps/whatever doesn't sit well with me. Yes, it's "everywhere" just like weed, coke, and skateboarding, but it doesn't mean it's right.
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It's not fooling
Jun 21, 2012, 2:46 PM
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an ump.
A good catcher doing that is simply to call attention to the pitch in hopes the ump may think twice.
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Well then every pitcher in the history of baseball is wrong.
Jun 21, 2012, 2:48 PM
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Because every pitcher attempts to do this. It's kind of a major component of pitching...trying to expand the zone.
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correct - some of the best pitchers
Jun 21, 2012, 2:50 PM
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will say they go into games ignoring the umps strike zone wanting to impose their own strike zone on the ump.
It's why Tom Glavine had a history of slow starts- giving up runs early in games- but later in games getting pitches that were 4 inches off the plate called strikes.
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so you get upset when you see a football player stretch out
Jun 21, 2012, 2:54 PM
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the ball a little more even after he's down hoping to get an extra inch from the ref?
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Replays
Jun 21, 2012, 2:56 PM
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help with that. It should be spotted when your knee lands. Now, if you're down and move the ball forward hoping, then yes.
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not always
Jun 21, 2012, 3:03 PM
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lots of kids stretch out a few inches trying to get the ref to spot the ball favorably.
I've never watched a game thinking "that's not right"
It's smart- and worth a try in sports.
Framing is no different- an art practiced throughout the history of the sport.
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110%er [5249]
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So when Sammy
Jun 21, 2012, 3:07 PM
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streches in for the winning TD and your team loses cause the ref game him the extra 6 inches, you'll say "what a great kid, he plays so smart"? You've never seen a team get a first down that you thought was short and now the drive continues?
No one's saying it isn't a good strategy. I just don't like it.
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I'd say
Jun 21, 2012, 3:12 PM
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the kid did exactly what he should have done.
Sure, I'd be ticked that the refs weren't watching close enough to properly mark the ball.
But I sure wouldn't be questioning the kid on doing what every other player in the country would have tried to do had they thought about it for half a second.
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110%er [5249]
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Originally
Jun 21, 2012, 3:18 PM
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I wasn't really focusing on what the players did. They players had a skill and they used it. I was more leaning on the ump/refs for not seeing what's going on.
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110%er [5249]
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I even
Jun 21, 2012, 3:18 PM
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complimented Roth's ability for precision
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CU Guru [1243]
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There is an old baseball saying - a good pitcher makes
Jun 21, 2012, 2:45 PM
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the ump adopt his (pitcher's) strike zone.
You are correct- it's how Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux pitched themselves into the HOF.
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Re: There is an old baseball saying - a good pitcher makes
Jun 21, 2012, 2:54 PM
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Tell the poster not to post about the coots.
Jun 21, 2012, 2:55 PM
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And maybe y'all wouldn't have this problem.
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Notice I mentioned him in only the very first post
Jun 21, 2012, 2:57 PM
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and never again
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Not saying anything against you...
Jun 21, 2012, 2:58 PM
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I mean that he wouldn't have coots on the board talking about this if the posters here didn't start threads about the coots.
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Ahhh
Jun 21, 2012, 3:00 PM
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alright then
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All-In [26968]
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I think I meant to say "original poster" in that reply.
Jun 21, 2012, 3:01 PM
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I don't even have a problem with the original poster posting about whatever he wants. It's just strange to see someone complaining about coots posting in a thread...about coots.
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No problems at all with you or your posts...
Jun 21, 2012, 3:00 PM
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Sorry if I said something that made you think I did. That was not my intent.
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110%er [5249]
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Nah, just giving my opinion
Jun 21, 2012, 3:03 PM
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On pitchers and their slinky ways
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Re: Nah, just giving my opinion
Jun 21, 2012, 3:07 PM
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true- and that's smart.
Pitchers that are "slinky" have long careers- some hall of fame careers.
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110%er [5249]
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Beating a dead horse
Jun 21, 2012, 3:10 PM
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We'll agree to say it's smart, and while I think it shouldn't be heavily exercised, you're okay with it.
Sound good?
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Re: Beating a dead horse
Jun 21, 2012, 3:14 PM
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sure- I'm ok with it since that's the way the game has been played for over a century.
There are guys in the hall of fame that made it because they scuffed, marked, roughed up, etc balls to gain advantages.
I'm not concerned with a great college pitcher who gets an extra few inches on the edge of the plate - as countless hundreds of good pitchers have done in the history of the sport.
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110%er [5249]
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And I would be more impressed
Jun 21, 2012, 3:15 PM
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with the pitcher that didn't need to do it
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They don't
Jun 21, 2012, 3:16 PM
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exist.
Even Roger Clemens and Nolan Ryan throwing 95mph- got a lot of junk calls.
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In fact
Jun 21, 2012, 3:18 PM
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go watch some video of some of Nolan's 7 no hitters- and you may be surprised at some of the stuff you see.
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Every pitcher gets calls sometimes...
Jun 21, 2012, 3:18 PM
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But there's a difference between that and a pitcher who relies on location on the corners for their livelihood. There are more examples of this kind of pitcher than there are of pitchers who can just blow guys away.
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Some of them don't.
Jun 21, 2012, 3:17 PM
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Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson, Justin Verlander. These are guys that don't need pinpoint location, because they have or had incredible stuff.
Pitchers that don't have that kind of stuff (mainly talking about velocity) have to rely on other skills.
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Randy Johnson got a lot of junk calls
Jun 21, 2012, 3:18 PM
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seen it plent of times
Umps give pitchers that prove they can throw a lot of room to make mistakes.
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See my post above. There's a difference.
Jun 21, 2012, 3:20 PM
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Johnson got calls, of course. Everyone does. But he never had the skill set to be able to methodically expand the zone. While his control obviously got better later in his career, he was still never that kind of pitcher. He didn't need that skill set to be successful, because he had other skills.
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I agree- but
Jun 21, 2012, 3:23 PM
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He got plenty of calls with pitches that weren't strikes.
It's because of his reputation and his abilities.
That's the way baseball works.
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I'm actually more impressed by guys not throwing it 95
Jun 21, 2012, 3:20 PM
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and that have to dabble on the edges and move the ball around than I am someone throwing it 98.
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Wasn't speaking of power
Jun 21, 2012, 3:22 PM
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although that is to be commended when a pitcher has it. I more meant a pitcher that can pitch to the corners and sides and doesn't purposefully pitch to get calls. Gets it in the strike zone.
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Re: Wasn't speaking of power
Jun 21, 2012, 3:25 PM
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A pitcher that throws 88 and doesn't get the ball off the plate- and get calls- won't last long.
Tom Glavine's best pitch was a pitch 2 inches off the left side of the plate that was called a strike.
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Re: Tell the poster not to post about the coots.
Jun 21, 2012, 3:03 PM
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Tell the coots to stop coming here and we wouldn't have all these feathers flying around here....
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They won't post if you didn't talk about them.
Jun 21, 2012, 3:05 PM
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For several weeks, folks have been saying that the coot trolls have been absent. It's because most of the talk was about Clemson and the Big XII. Coots have no reason to post in those threads.
TigerNet's Tigers control their own destiny on this one. I don't see anything wrong with it on either end. Ain't nobody hurt by a discussion among rival fans, as long as no one takes it too seriously.
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Re: They won't post if you didn't talk about them.
Jun 21, 2012, 3:07 PM
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There' hasn't been a day go by that the coot trolls haven't been trolling....
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I guess...in my experience...
Jun 21, 2012, 3:10 PM
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Gamecock fans post extremely little in threads about Clemson. But they will almost always post in threads that mention South Carolina.
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I think it was the ninth round, but regardless...
Jun 21, 2012, 2:35 PM
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Just ask any Clemson baseball player how good he is. They should know very, very well.
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Re: Hmmm..in that case, then Verlander would be the best.
Jun 21, 2012, 2:39 PM
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no sh*t sherlock, pretty sure there were a few college pitchers that went before the 31st round hahaha. I mean he was the 297th pick....
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Re: Hmmm..in that case, then Verlander would be the best.
Jun 21, 2012, 2:40 PM
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excuse me 9th round. I was incorrect on that.
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Did I say Roth was a great pro prospect?
Jun 21, 2012, 2:42 PM
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You see, pitching in the big leagues is different from pitching in college, and may require a different skill set.
Why wasn't Tebow drafted first overall in the NFL draft? Why wasn't isn't Pete Maravich the NBA's all-time leading scorer?
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Re: Did I say Roth was a great pro prospect?
Jun 21, 2012, 2:47 PM
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you're comparing apples to oranges. Look at what Strasburg has done.. great college pitcher turned into great MLB pitcher.
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That's sort of unique
Jun 21, 2012, 2:49 PM
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Roth is a tremendous college pitcher - maybe one of the best ever- his numbers back that up - especially in the post season.
He doesn't have overpowering stuff and that will hurt in the pros.
That doesn't hurt much in college.
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LOL...what?
Jun 21, 2012, 2:51 PM
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You're countering my point that a great college pitcher isn't necessarily a great pro pitcher by pointing out one player who was a great pitcher in college and the pros?
How does that disprove or affect my point one bit?
I'll dig a little deeper. Roth's success is based on deception and taking advantage of the hitters' aggressiveness. Pro hitters are more talented and more experience. Thus, they are less likely to succumb to a pitcher like this. It's exactly the same thing as saying Tebow's not as successful in the NFL because the defenses are faster. He needs a different skill set to be successful in that environment. But he was a GREAT college football player.
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Florida is a great example- roster full of MLB arms
Jun 21, 2012, 2:52 PM
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maybe one of the most talented staffs ever when it comes to guys that will play pro ball.
But college is a different game.
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Re: The least Kent St. could have done was....
Jun 21, 2012, 2:26 PM
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yeah! retiring 22 straight had nothing to do with it....
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This is why I was pulling for Florida against Kent. The
Jun 21, 2012, 2:28 PM
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coots are not out of this thing yet.
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Re: This is why I was pulling for Florida against Kent. The
Jun 21, 2012, 2:32 PM
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They may even have the advantage in this next game.They have already warmed up the batting and use none of their bullpen.
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Re: This is why I was pulling for Florida against Kent. The
Jun 21, 2012, 2:35 PM
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they will have no problem controlling akansas's bats
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It's
Jun 21, 2012, 2:53 PM
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getting hits against arky's pitching....
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All the breaks like a rainout that forced a double header?!
Jun 21, 2012, 2:51 PM
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Could you possibly be any more delusional? Amazing that it's now a break to have to play two games in the same day. Love to see that Clemson logic at work!
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Clemson played a double header against the coots....
Jun 21, 2012, 2:56 PM
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within 1 hour of our first game. The coots get 6 hours in between games today. Delusional?
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Kent State would have received 6 hours too
Jun 21, 2012, 2:58 PM
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but they didn't win the game this afternoon.
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They played a double header - not against South Carolina
Jun 21, 2012, 3:05 PM
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they played Coastal- then played South Carolina.
Clemson won against Coastal - and nice momentum- and then turned around and played South Carolina.
That might be favorable than having to sit around 6 hours and play again.
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