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Ukranian collusion. Gotcha.***
Sep 20, 2019, 3:26 PM
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Re: Ukranian collusion. Gotcha.***
Sep 20, 2019, 3:37 PM
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Yeah, blow it off. It's just a creation of the fake media or just another attempt by the Dems to oust Trump. Believe what you will. But the fact that the Presidents attorney has tried to enlist the aid of a foreign govt. to help said President to harm a political opponent is far outside what is legal or moral or right.
I'm no Democrat or Republican. I'm an American and this ######## hurts my country. Today it's Trump, who will it be tomorrow?
In truth, if Obama's lawyer had done this you'd be screwed inside and out with rage! Banging the fences demanding action.
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Re: Ukranian collusion. Gotcha.***
Sep 20, 2019, 3:42 PM
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They are admitting it too in this case.
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Oculus Spirit [97716]
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This investigation by the Ukrainians has been widely known
Sep 20, 2019, 4:05 PM
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for a long time. This is nothing new. Here's something from May 2nd (4 and a half months ago), explaining exactly what this "whistle-blower" has so suddenly unearthed, which again is NOTHING NEW. Kinda wondering why this is such an amazing new and devastating discovery.....
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05/biden-ukrainian-gas-company
The current Ukrainian prosecutor general recently decided to reopen the investigation into Burisma, which could unearth new details about Hunter’s work. No surprise, the story is also being heavily promoted by Donald Trump and his allies, including lawyer Rudy Giuliani. According to the Times, Giuliani has met repeatedly with both the ousted Ukrainian prosecutor and the new prosecutor, and has discussed his findings with Trump—who then suggested he would like Attorney General William Barr to look into the matter.
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I don’t like the things they’re saying about Trump, so I
Sep 20, 2019, 11:56 PM
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choose to dismiss this as fake news. Nice try.
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Re: Ukranian collusion. Gotcha.***
Sep 20, 2019, 6:05 PM
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WHo tomorrow? According to the left Trump is not gonna concede so I guess the US Treasury needs to get cracking on those new $100 notes with a likeness of the orange man.
Seriously Trump is a disaster and yet he ran against the only person at the time who was viewed just as poorly and possible worse. Now in 2020 the Dems seem hell bent on sending in someone who is actually worse. Loosing faith in the system is getting easier with each election cycle if this is the best we can produce.
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Re: Ukranian collusion. Gotcha.***
Sep 20, 2019, 9:01 PM
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WHo tomorrow? According to the left Trump is not gonna concede so I guess the US Treasury needs to get cracking on those new $100 notes with a likeness of the orange man.
Seriously Trump is a disaster and yet he ran against the only person at the time who was viewed just as poorly and possible worse. Now in 2020 the Dems seem #### bent on sending in someone who is actually worse. Loosing faith in the system is getting easier with each election cycle if this is the best we can produce.
It depends on where you get your news Dad. If peoples opinion of Sanders or Warren comes from conservative media then absolutely they look worse.
But in fact Warren makes the most sense to me these days. She says Trump isn't the problem it's the political corruption caused by so much money in our political system. She's right. I doubt that she can be worse than Trump. He's done little but line his own pockets. Trump is a symptom of the problem, not the problem. Once he's gone you still have a money controlled corrupt political system. I would urge anyone to listen to what she has to say rather than relying on the media, any media, to shape one's opinion.
And yes, Trump is a disaster and he won because he ran against the very epitomes of whats wrong with our system. Hillary was the worst possible candidate.
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Re: Ukranian collusion. Gotcha.***
Sep 20, 2019, 9:12 PM
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Felix, it will depend on how much of her plans come from conviction or a ploy to win the nomination. I think it’s conviction myself and markets will tank.
I know the left hates Citizens United but in truth it is no worse than the Dems union money. 1st person that says that and vows to get rid of both gets my vote.??
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Re: Ukranian collusion. Gotcha.***
Sep 21, 2019, 10:29 AM
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WHo tomorrow? According to the left Trump is not gonna concede so I guess the US Treasury needs to get cracking on those new $100 notes with a likeness of the orange man.
Seriously Trump is a disaster and yet he ran against the only person at the time who was viewed just as poorly and possible worse. Now in 2020 the Dems seem #### bent on sending in someone who is actually worse. Loosing faith in the system is getting easier with each election cycle if this is the best we can produce. It depends on where you get your news Dad. If peoples opinion of Sanders or Warren comes from conservative media then absolutely they look worse. But in fact Warren makes the most sense to me these days. She says Trump isn't the problem it's the political corruption caused by so much money in our political system. She's right. I doubt that she can be worse than Trump. He's done little but line his own pockets. Trump is a symptom of the problem, not the problem. Once he's gone you still have a money controlled corrupt political system. I would urge anyone to listen to what she has to say rather than relying on the media, any media, to shape one's opinion. And yes, Trump is a disaster and he won because he ran against the very epitomes of whats wrong with our system. Hillary was the worst possible candidate.
I agree. It's trendy to froth at the mouth at individuals - and it's easy to see why, given how loathesome Trump is, the guy is a malignant narcissist, one of the lowest and most destructive forms of human personality types on the planet, for cryin' out loud! - but at the end of the day it's a structural problem.
America's government, as constituted, is presently broken. Untraceable dark money into the system was the straw that broke the camel's back - it means that the politicians on one side, anyhow, are now beholden to corporate special interests instead of the people, though many of the Dems are not innocent of this either - but there were structural problems long before that.
At the end of the day America is 243 years old. It was a truly great system...but the structure of the government just sort of...growed, and it hasn't aged well. A common-sense refurbishment is badly needed.
Honestly if ten of us sat around in a room and kicked the better ideas around for a couple hours, we could collectively come up with an agreement that 90% of us - regardless of party affiliation - would consider fairer and far more effective for a hypothetical "America 2.0" that patches a lot of the problems afflicting our current system. If you just look at systemic issues and go: "okay, how do we fix this and that and this obvious problem over here" in a practical, non-ideological way, the problems are pretty obvious and pretty much all of us (well, there are true derps out there, and on both sides) would agree. But I think we could get 85 or 90 per cent buy-in pretty easily. The issues aren't really that complicated.
The problem is that implementing that has effectively become impossible since the will of the people has effectively been circumvented. Which suits certain special interests just fine.
Again, who these interests are isn't overly complicated.
*Oil companies don't want the USA (or Western World) shifting to renewable resources, so they attack any form of climate-change science, and have declared war on the EPA and any form of environmental regulation.
*Insurance companies don't want the badly broken medical system in the USA reformed because they're making money hand over fist, so they make sure it stays exactly the way it is.
*Banks and Wall Street don't want our financial system reformed because they're making money hand over fist, so they too continuously fight off regulation and oversight as well...despite the fact that our loan system today is far, far weaker than it was even in 2009 when the housing market burst the first time, and the next crash is liable to be far worse than the first.
These guys benefit from the status quo, and in their world, less oversight and accountability is good, so the more Trump and Mitch McConnell set fire to the government itself, the less oversight and accountability they have.
In reality, Trump does nothing. His approach is entirely reductive. He just smashes things. McConnell makes things not happen. The current Senate under McConnell just kills pretty much everything without even allowing it to a vote. Which suits the donors who pour money into McConnell's campaign just fine.
That isn't serving the will of the people. McConnell actually doesn't even pretend to serve the people anymore; his sneering contempt for democracy in general becomes more obvious every time he opens his mouth...which is actually seldom; he doesn't trouble to do that much either. The guy just does not care.
And why should he? Despite his approval rating - he's literally running at 35% or so even in his home state of Kentucky - McConnell knows Kentucky isn't going to vote for a Democrat no matter how much the locals hate him...first, because he has ten times the money of any Dem that could challenge him, and his Fox-news-watching viewership isn't going to vote for a Dem anyhow even if it was Ghandi. Which is why his first expression is always that gleeful smirk that wants you to hit him upside the head with a baseball bat for awhile, he knows the fix is in.
The problem's the system.
The first thing we have to do is ranked choice voting. Period. It destroys reductive politics because guys like McConnell, who win by destroying the opponent, can't do that to five or six opponents. It forces candidates to say what they're for instead of what they're against...and the reality is that McConnell stands for absolutely nothing beyond corrupt pay-for-play right now. It means that the 35% of people who (somehow) really love Moscow Mitch are outvoted by the 65% of Kentuckians who really don't like McConnell but don't want a Socialist either get a lot of other menu options.
It's like any other form of capitalism. The more options the customer gets, the more the customer wins.
Why the heck aren't we applying that to our system? Why are we settling for Coke vs. Pepsi when both products are fizzy carbonated corn-syrup sludge that make you fat and gassy and there's fifty better options out there?
Well, because that's how America 1.0 did it, and we haven't updated the system, that's why. And that's a stupid reason to do anything, especially when it obviously isn't working.
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Re: Ukranian collusion. Gotcha.***
Sep 21, 2019, 3:40 PM
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So you're the last word on legality, morality, elections, foreign policy and Presidential powers? ### is wrong with you?
Biden hung himself.
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Supporters will dismiss it as normal presidenting stuff.
Sep 20, 2019, 3:31 PM
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The truth is the guy needs to be hung up by his shrively old nuts, but no one seems to wanna do it.
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is there room on the Gallows for Barry and Hillary?
Sep 20, 2019, 4:16 PM
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we could do a three'fer
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Re: The President of the United States's personal lawyer
Sep 21, 2019, 1:38 AM
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Oh wow! Look a post about some sort of foreign collusion involving Trump! I’ve never heard this before. I guess we should spend millions of more dollars and a whole lot of time investigating this because if we keep throwing enough random allegations out there, one of them is liable to stick! So let’s continue to iron out our hurt feelings from Hillary getting the the big ole thumbs down by spending all of our time making up some more b.s!
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Actually, that's a lie.
Sep 21, 2019, 7:48 AM
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Ukraine has been trying to get America to listen to their voice for 18 months now. Ukraine asked the state department to seek out Giuliani to listen to their concerns. The State Dept contacted Giuliani and asked if they could share his phone number with Ukraine and if he would take the call.
Ukraine called Giuliani, he took the call and they met in Spain, I believe it was Spain. Trump is just doing his job.
Evidence you say, you need a predicate for investigating a political opponent you say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY
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Re: The President of the United States's personal lawyer
Sep 21, 2019, 5:54 PM
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If only you got this upset about Crazy Joe getting his idiot son a big paying job he was in no way qualified for in exchange for a billion taxpayer dollars. Its almost like you're a flaming idiot or something.
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