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Bill Mclellan
May 4, 2013, 3:31 PM
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Bill Mclellan is a true Clemson legend. He was an outstanding player for legend Frank Howard. In addition to his sucess on the football field, under his leadership as AD, he brought Clemson to it's greatest accomplishments in school history. Along with his teamates such as "Red Face" Gressette, and "Goon" Gaskin, "Black Cat" Barton, Barclay Crawford and all other players laid the foundation for Clemson football as we know it today.
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Re: Bill Mclellan
May 4, 2013, 4:39 PM
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Redface, you are dead on! Bill Mclellan was a Clemson man all the way! Great student, player, and AD! If he had been AD instead of that lacky Bobby Robinson.... we would not have waited 20 years for another ACC championship!
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Re: Bill Mclellan
May 4, 2013, 5:38 PM
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while you may be right he presided, as AD, over us getting on probation in both hoops and football as I recall so that is why he was let go as AD.
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The NCAA called him Bill McTellem-different
May 4, 2013, 5:58 PM
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went over the line
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Re: Bill Mclellan
May 5, 2013, 2:11 AM
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No. It was about the Dutch runner who died in Clemson House. It was a messy time.
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Bobby Robinson was a major mistake - should......
May 4, 2013, 6:03 PM
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have never been chosen as our AD.
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a Great Tiger and a Great American
May 4, 2013, 5:03 PM
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and a fine man too. what a guy.
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Re: a Great Tiger and a Great American
May 4, 2013, 5:38 PM
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Why did he leave us?
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Re: I don't really know but Clemson lost a lot that it had
May 4, 2013, 5:44 PM
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going for them when he was around. Just my opinion we went from good to awful when he left.
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Re: He was the AD at Clemson when their we could with
May 4, 2013, 6:29 PM
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anyone in just about any sport. Why leave that outs?
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Hw was the AD at Clemson when we could play with anyone
May 4, 2013, 6:52 PM
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in just about any sport. Whey leave that out?
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Cause we now have a wimpy apologetic fan base much like
May 5, 2013, 3:13 PM
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the wimpy weak idiotic country we have become.
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No excuses for any of that - but the sad part is that the
May 4, 2013, 7:06 PM
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kinds of things that brought about those "scandals" were things that every single successful athletic program of that era did, without exception. Yeah, we did wrong, but Clemson wanted to win, realized the only way was to do what all the winners were doing (and had been doing for decades), and brought in very capable, loyal Clemson people to get it done. And they did. Everybody knows that Clemson's punishment(s), while perhaps deserved when viewed in a bubble and out of context, were grossly unfair and frankly, a joke.
Right or wrong, Bill McLellen was no different than the AD's at UNC, Alabama, Notre Dame, USC, Texas, Michigan, Tennessee, Ohio State, NC State, UCLA, etc., except he paid a higher price than most for the success achieved under his watch, and deserves just as much credit as any of them.
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Re: No excuses for any of that - but the sad part is that the
May 4, 2013, 7:09 PM
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very good and true post!!
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Re: No excuses for any of that - but the sad part is that the
May 4, 2013, 7:16 PM
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I hold Clemson to a higher standard than everyone else. If it is the special place we all believe it to be we shouldn't have to resort to that.
To excuse it in the light of "everyone else does it" is just wrong. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Period.
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I agree - like I said, no excuses.
May 4, 2013, 7:37 PM
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It's just like when you get pulled over for speeding on a busy highway where everyone is speeding. You're wrong for speeding, you got caught, no excuses and nobody to blame but yourself.
I'm just pointing out that it sux for Bill McLellen that so many will remember him for speeding, when most of the ones that were speeding right along with him not only didn't get their driver's license revoked, and didn't even get a ticket, but went on to be highly regarded as great, safe drivers and had buildings and facilities named after them and statues erected in their honor, when the only difference between him and them was that he got singled out.
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Wrong is wrong...just because everybody is doing it...
May 4, 2013, 8:12 PM
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doesn't make it right. He really didn't pay much of a price for everything that happened. Actually I don't think very many people remember all the bad that went on. I had forgotten a lot of it until I read about it today. He was able to stay on for a year...with pay...after the athlete died. He was able to draw a paycheck until he got his 30 years in so, he could receive full state benefits. He also has part of a facility named after him. So, all in all I think he came out pretty good. He did do good things here and we did win a national championship while he was AD...but it has a major stain on it.
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Again, and yet again - yes wrong is wrong. For the record,
May 4, 2013, 8:45 PM
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again, I'll say it again: The things that went on were wrong; no excuses. Everybody else doing it did not make it right. It's still wrong. No two ways about it. Wrong is wrong is wrong. No excuses. It was wrong, even if everybody else is doing it. It's not right, it's wrong.
AND while McLellen came out good in many ways, he still has those stains on his record, and the powers that be chose to put them there while very consciously and deliberately turning a blind eye to many, many others, and that's wrong too.
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You are right, but I think he came out better than most...
May 4, 2013, 9:18 PM
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at least 7 people lost their job....just from the track scandal...not counting all the basketball coaches...and an athlete that lost his life. Bill went on to be AD at Southern Miss...inducted into HOF, now has his name on the upper deck. Not too bad for somebody that brought a lot of shame to this university that we will always be reminded of.
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Assuming that the violations that occurred under McLellen
May 4, 2013, 9:36 PM
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directly contributed to the wins and championships, not to mention bringing many great, memorable athletes to Clemson, would you be willing to not have had all of that and instead having none of those violations? Would most Clemson fans?
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What you say is right...I think what bothers me the most is
May 5, 2013, 10:52 AM
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that we still honor the people who did wrong. We continue to put them in the HOF and put their name on buildings for everybody to see and be reminded of what they did. I think those honors should be reserved for the people who played by all the rules, all the time. We have a lot of those people and we should be proud of them. We didn't name anything at the new track facility for Stan Narewski even though he was the NCAA coach of the year. There is nothing named for Tates Locke or any of the others that did wrong. I don't think anything should be named for anybody that was a part of all that. Honor the honest ones...not the ones that cheated.
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Point - and I don't disagree with that. Unfortunately, many
May 5, 2013, 11:39 AM
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of our most successful coaches and administrators worked in an era in which bending and breaking the rules was rampant, and you either jumped in with the rest and became a winner, or you played nice and wound up looking for a job in short order. Our fan base wanted to win, and enjoyed every second of it.
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OMG you are clueless. We got harsher penalties for doing
May 5, 2013, 3:10 PM
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less. Name another school in the history of college athletics that got punished by their own conference like Clemson did? Yet when UNC and other ACC schools get in trouble the conference is their fighting for them, not penalizing them even more like they did us.
You people love revisionist history.
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Re: OMG you are clueless. We got harsher penalties for doing
May 5, 2013, 5:11 PM
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No where did anybody say anything about Clemson getting off easy...you are exactly right about us getting a harsh penalty...too harsh. Nothing happened to the AD or the football coach when we were put on probation. The AD didn't lose his job until a track star died and it was discovered that approximately 5000 steroid pills had been passed out to athletes...this was 3 years after the football team got in trouble. Like I said my only problem is continuing to honor people that did not act honorably.
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Re: He was the AD at Clemson during 3 major scandals that
May 5, 2013, 2:18 AM
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Part of that wiki is wrong. The SC drinking age went to 19 BEFORE the national law was passed. The age was raised on graduation day (June 6 or so) in 1984 at 3 pm.
The SC action was independent of the federal law at the time.
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He can't baby sit coaches and that was how things were
May 5, 2013, 3:04 PM
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back then. Today those would not be scandals and get near as tough penalties from the NCAA. Without context and perspective those links are meaningless. And he was a great AD and took CU to it's pinnacle athletically.
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Not much of a handball player
May 4, 2013, 7:17 PM
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There were 6-8 of us used to play M-F at lunch time. I was the only student and used to drive him crazy. Weighing only 155 lbs I didn't exactly hit the ball as hard as the football coaches, but being a cross country runner I never got tired, so my game was too just keep the ball in play until they made a mistake or go tired. McClellan used to tell Col Robbins "I hate playing against that darn kid."
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Bobby Robinson gets
May 4, 2013, 7:37 PM
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a bad rep because he was ordered by the Trustees to fire Danny. Under the conditions of the day Bobby did a pretty good job. You had to be there and understand conditions of what was happening during those dark days and the aftermath.
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That was just the most visible
May 4, 2013, 9:39 PM
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thing that was wrong with Bobby Robinson and Clemson together. We're only now digging out of the hole that was left from those days.
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Re: Bobby Robinson gets
May 5, 2013, 11:27 AM
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Clemson was never the same with Robinson in control. We are just now escaping from the mess he created. Without question the biggest mistake ever made in Clemson athletics was his appointment as AD. McClellan was old school as an AD and his methods would not survive in todays world of college sports ..... but I was his biggest fan. GO DANNY!
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Point***
May 5, 2013, 3:12 PM
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I point you but then just have to say "duh"***
May 4, 2013, 9:43 PM
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North Upper Decks named for Bill...
May 4, 2013, 10:08 PM
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gOtiGERs!
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Re: Well said. Too many on TNET are kids with no history or
May 6, 2013, 4:46 PM
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Edisto_Tiger, not only is Edisto an awesome place, in addition, your view on Bill Mclellan & TNET kids is absolutely correct. The "kids" either forgot or never experienced the games in Death Valley when legend, Herman McGee was trainer (who now has a permanent display in his honor located @ the entrance of the Tigers locker room in The West Zone), when there were NO upper decks, when only the flags of all ACC members flew @ the top of the stands on the visitors side of the stadium, when "tear away" jerseys were allowed, when RB's like Lester Brown burned trails to the end zone.......it was Bill Mclellan that not only had the vision to take Clemson to where it is now, but also accomplished the vision. Also, it's repulsive that some members on the board of trustees have vowed to keep Danny Ford out of the Ring of Honor......it's yet another prime example that power corrupts.....
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