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Orange Blooded [2692]
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US Supreme Court will compel White House
Nov 21, 2019, 8:36 AM
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to release pertinent documents just like they did in 1973. And they will compel Giuliani, Pompeo, and Bolton to testify under oath.
This is a copy of the original 1973 petition from special prosecutor Leon Jaworski in 1973 arguing why the court needed to enforce subpoenas to get access to Nixon's tapes.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DjfNPOhF9e3jhNJdbOIJgubJ6fBjGe5o/view?usp=sharing
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Oculus Spirit [93605]
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You will probably need a full house vote to get the SCOTUS..
Nov 21, 2019, 8:38 AM
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to buy into your bullchit.
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Re: You will probably need a special prosecutor too.***
Nov 21, 2019, 8:42 AM
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Re: You will probably need a full house vote to get the SCOTUS..
Nov 21, 2019, 10:15 AM
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What special prosecutor is going to petition the SCOTUS?
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Re: You will probably need a full house vote to get the SCOTUS..
Nov 21, 2019, 12:39 PM
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In the matter of contempt of Congress, suit may be brought by the US Attorney for the District of Columbia.
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Re: You will probably need a full house vote to get the SCOTUS..
Nov 21, 2019, 12:47 PM
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In the matter of contempt of Congress, suit may be brought by the US Attorney for the District of Columbia.
The question I've been wondering is, if (when!) Trump loses in court - because Trump always loses in court, it's what he does best - and willfully disregards the House (which he will, because, well, Trump), who then enforces that Contempt citation?
The City cops? And what happens when the Feds - led by the Attorney General, Bill Barr - come rolling in? And do the Secret Service allow White House guys to be arrested? Do we then have a situation where various law enforcement agencies are then arresting each other on street corners all over DC?
Which would be good for laughs, at least.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Trump usually loses in court with Dem judges
Nov 21, 2019, 12:53 PM
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Re: Trump usually loses in court with Dem judges
Nov 21, 2019, 1:06 PM
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Yeah, that pesky thing called the law.
Trump loses in courtrooms because he has zero regard for it, and even less for the lawyers who try to defend or represent him. As far back as Pete Rozelle throwing that $1 settlement in Trump's face when Trump "won" the NFL's anti-trust case back in 1986, Trump has been getting destroyed in court.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/11/the-day-donald-trumps-narcissism-killed-the-usfl
There is a reason John Dowd told Trump "I'm afraid I just can't help you, Mister President," and walked out of Trump's office a couple years back...and why no top lawyers will touch Trump with a fork these days and he's making do with clowns like Rudy Guiliani and Jay Sekulow.
Not only does he lose and lose bigly, he also has a bad habit of not paying his bills. To anyone.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Actually when there is strict Constitutional interpretation
Nov 21, 2019, 1:13 PM
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Re: Actually when there is strict Constitutional interpretation
Nov 21, 2019, 1:21 PM
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of the law he does okay. It's when you get in the 9th Circus and "feelings" get involved (once again) that things start to go against him. Federal judges in Hawaii issuing injunctions, etc. Again, the ultimate test will be SCOTUS and for now is probably 50/50.
Uh...no.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Are you gonna bother to elaborate
Nov 21, 2019, 1:23 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Here are some facts
Nov 21, 2019, 1:32 PM
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Re: Are you gonna bother to elaborate
Nov 21, 2019, 3:24 PM
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or just injecting your opinion?
Because Federalists are almost always the strictest of strict constructionists...and Congress having very specific oversight over the President is spelled out in the Constitution, that's why.
It's not 50/50. It's not even 95/5. Trump's argument - such as it is! - is basically Trump claiming: "I'm in charge, I do what I wanna and you can't stop me!" - and that is simply not going to fly in the Supreme Court...and especially not in this Supreme Court.
This is where he bumps into the edge of this artificial reality he's created.
We've essentially watched Congress - or at least the Republican side of it - cede absolute authority to the Executive branch because they're afraid of being primaried by Trump's base (and then steam and grumble in public about it) like Stanford was, but this artificial echo chamber reality Trump and Fox News have created for their, sorry, uninformed viewers simply does not exist anywhere else in the world. And that includes the Supreme Court. Trump's inept yes-men legal team are going to try, of course, because The Boss told them to, but I suspect they also know exactly how this is going to go.
And in an actual courtroom Trump is what he's always been - a big, inflatable Bozo The Clown doll that any reasonably competent lawyer can knock all over the courtroom.
He's up against the Constitution. There is no chance - zero - that the Supreme Court full of effing Federalists are going to grant Trump absolute fiat and allow him to ignore Congressional oversight. There are in fact almost no legal scholars who think SCOTUS is even going to allow him to ignore the SDNY's grand jury request for his tax returns either.
If they do, it's a whole different discussion...and the country is likely in deep, deep trouble, because the Constitution simply doesn't apply...and the president has become an absolute dictator who is above the law.
It isn't 50/50...except in Trumpworld. It isn't even 95/5. The judiciary branch is simply not subject to the same sort of elective pressure the legislative branch is, and they're not just going to throw out the Constitution because a bent president finds it inconvenient.
If they actually do just decide to ignore the Constitution, Roberts (and probably the rest of the Supreme Court) will similarly find themselves impeached, and the second the next administration takes over...which will likely be in 2020. (The last Supreme Court justice who was impeached, by the way, was also a long-ago Federalist, Samuel Chase, who was removed for trying to remove a political enemy back in Thomas Jefferson's time...this Rutgers Law Review paper breaks that case down...because it actually formed much of the basis for the court's current independence ">
http://www.rutgerslawreview.com/wp-content/uploads/archive/vol62/Issue3/Perlin_vol62n3.pdf
I know nuance is lost on Trumpers, but the Supreme Court judges that have been appointed by McConnell - including Kavanaugh and Gorsuch - are assuredly not Party of Trump guys, and they are certainly not members of this current populist wave that encompasses pretty much Trump, Hannity, and Fox and Friends. They are Federalists - voracious advocates of state rights and limited government, and strict-constructionists.
If you want to see the difference, just wait. And watch. They'll make it pretty plain very shortly.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Not a Trumper as I've repeatedly pointed out
Nov 21, 2019, 3:34 PM
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Orange Blooded [3921]
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I'm sorry but can't let that fly
Nov 21, 2019, 3:48 PM
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quozzel is the one person in here I have never seen "lose it". Always presents well argued, rational thought in a calm manner
now I can lose it because, immature. so go put on your maga hat, slap your sister, and find some of your intellectually challenged friends to hang on your every word
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Oculus Spirit [93605]
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That's idle speculation based on emotional driven thought.
Nov 21, 2019, 3:48 PM
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Trump has not violated a court order so far which indicate there is no reason to do so in the future.
As far as him losing in court he just had the SCOTUS shut down those seeking 8 yrs of his tax returns. He also got a huge judgement on immigration limits from certain countries. No one wins them all.
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Re: You will probably need a full house vote to get the SCOTUS..
Nov 21, 2019, 12:16 PM
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The Supreme Court doesn't cite Breitbart legal opinion in making decisions.
I know. I'm just like: these guys do understand the Supreme Court is not the Senate or House, and Trump has been dunked on like a Washington General in a Harlem Globetrotter game in every court case he's been in lately? It's actually epic, how many court cases Team Trump has lost over the last few months. (So much winning!)
You've gotta have at least minimal knowledge of the law - and be willing to listen to your lawyers occasionally - to win court cases, and he doesn't, and he won't.
Mind, Trump can spin reality as he goes along and know Fox News will feed it to the credulous derps all he wants...outside a courtroom. Inside the legal system, the jaws are closing inexorably around him and even the Supreme Court Justices he himself appointed in a stacked SCOTUS aren't going to be able to save him because he has given them no legal leg to stand on.
And he can't bully the Supreme Court. If Trump tries - and he probably will - they will slap him down, emphatically, because guys who are appointed for life can't exactly be primaried. Chief Justice Roberts already did it once with census case and there will be more lessons forthcoming if Team Trump continues to treat court cases with the expertise of Frito from Idiocracy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn200lvmTZc
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Oculus Spirit [93605]
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I do not believe the house has any evidence which...
Nov 21, 2019, 3:45 PM
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would predicate a SCOTUS decision to force anyone in the executive branch or under executive privilege to testify.
If Pelosi and Schiff thought they had such evidence they would be filing petitions with the courts right now. I don't think they want a 5-4 court deciding anything.
No, this didn't come from Hannity or Brietbar, it came from me.
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I don't even watch or listen to either one of those guys
Nov 21, 2019, 3:50 PM
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Oculus Spirit [97657]
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Just curious about one thing.....
Nov 21, 2019, 8:40 AM
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Who is the special prosecutor in this circus show?
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Oculus Spirit [93605]
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Re: US Supreme Court will compel White House
Nov 21, 2019, 10:13 AM
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Wrong.
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To all of the posters talking about needing a SP
Nov 21, 2019, 10:31 AM
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look up the word "Precedent"
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Oculus Spirit [93605]
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I'm not sure a SP is necessary.***
Nov 21, 2019, 3:51 PM
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Re: US Supreme Court will compel White House
Nov 21, 2019, 5:26 PM
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How the hell does the Supreme Court "enforce" anything?
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