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Re: Are Dem’s planning to use 25th Amendment?
Jul 7, 2020, 7:46 AM
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Whats the 25th again? I really don't know. Also, as these people keep protesting, ripping down statues other than Confederate ones, and harping on racism, the more I think Trump's chances go up.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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astute observation
Jul 7, 2020, 7:50 AM
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25th amendment deals with vice president replacing president upon death.
I think you are right. Continued chaos helps Trump. I sense that even those sympathetic to the movement are growing impatient with the violence, especially when children being shot is making the news.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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and actually with 25th amendment...
Jul 7, 2020, 7:51 AM
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the potus can vacant office and choose vp to take over
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Re: astute observation
Jul 7, 2020, 7:53 AM
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Not just by death.
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Re: Are Dem’s planning to use 25th Amendment?
Jul 7, 2020, 7:51 AM
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Succession to the Constitution of United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992)
Section 1
In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.
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CU Medallion [73569]
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Yep, notice Trump has kind of let it go
Jul 7, 2020, 8:24 AM
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Except the statue thing. He was, let's crack heads. Now he's like, hey we're here if you need us, knowing these Dems will never ask for help from Trump.
The longer these Dems let the violence go, the stronger Trump gets imo. And for good reason
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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yes...
Jul 7, 2020, 8:50 AM
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I'm starting to think he may be playing this one right
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It has a provision for the VP to take over in case the
Jul 8, 2020, 9:48 PM
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president is incapable of doing his job. I think it has only been invoked with Reagan. It takes a majority of the cabinet.
I think it also establishes how the VP is replaced if he is elevated to Pres. Only invoked with Ford (LBJ, TR, et al. did not have VPs when they took over).
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I think this "worry" misses a key factor.
Jul 7, 2020, 7:55 AM
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This is not a monarchy. The President is not a king. Having someone as the President does not make for a "coup," as long as there are three co-equal branches of government.
I truly believe you can put the most extreme, progressive, liberal in the White House, and not much would really change. That's the genius of our form of government.
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Lot o points [155706]
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Good theory, if the branches were truly co-equal.
Jul 7, 2020, 7:59 AM
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Under Obama and Trump the executive branch has pulled ahead quite a bit in the power triad, with the judicial branch following closely behind.
This could be stemmed by a legislative branch with a backbone and a willingness to make tough, if not potentially unpopular decisions, but they seem to be happy ceding power and staying off the radar.
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That may be true to some extent, but
Jul 7, 2020, 8:03 AM
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I don't think it's so far gone, that a President could make sweeping changes on his or her own.
My biggest concern is that the Democratic Party gain control of the Presidency and both houses of Congress. That would set up more change. And that was one of my primary concerns in 2016 with the election of President Trump, looking forward four years. I hope this does not happen.
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Lot o points [155706]
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Now you’re sounding like me.....
Jul 7, 2020, 8:07 AM
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I’ve said since the Bush era that with both parties so divided, and neither party seeming to represent me perfectly, my biggest hope is for gridlock.
Even that may get ruined by unchecked (or selectively checked) executive orders and a senate that is very likely to do away with the 60 vote rule and go with simple majority as the new norm sooner than later.
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If the GOP doesn't make major changes
Jul 8, 2020, 9:54 PM
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to attract new voters, there will be a large enough Democratic majority in the Senate to remove judges before 16 years pass. I'm sure they will make a big correction post-Trump, whether that happens in a couple of months or later. Changing demographics and increasing education are not good for the modern Republican party otherwise.
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do you think the country is becoming more...
Jul 7, 2020, 8:04 AM
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"liberal" or more "conservative?"
Put the "most extreme, progressive, liberal" in the White House with a SLIGHT advantage in Congress, appoint progressive thinking judges on the court...
I know plenty of young people who have left extremely conservative homes, gone to college, even "Christian" colleges become flaming liberals. Every four year cycle it seems we move further left ideologically.
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Re: do you think the country is becoming more...
Jul 7, 2020, 8:07 AM
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Left....definitely!
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the best thing that could happen...
Jul 7, 2020, 8:10 AM
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is for young people to go to trade school and not get "woke" by some smooth-talking, theorist professor and not take on loads of student debt.
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I think I would agree there is a gradual
Jul 7, 2020, 8:09 AM
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slide to more liberal policies...not much question about that. That doesn't mean the slide can't be slowed or stopped. But, frankly, it's a slide that I would just expect, and not just in the United States.
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Lot o points [155706]
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Good line I heard from Dennis Miller the other day
Jul 7, 2020, 8:11 AM
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And yes, nit pickers, there’s some hyperbole.....just a funny, seemingly halfway accurate point...it was something like...
“Folks, I keep hearing that there’s a looming ideological civil war on the horizon.....I have news for you.....it’s already been fought and their side won”
Good point.....in the military analogy the left has the “high ground” of education, entertainment, and for the most part, media. While the right was farting around with the contract with America, they were playing the long game brilliantly.
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Jimmy is way more successful
Jul 8, 2020, 10:00 PM
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at least money-wise
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Re: do you think the country is becoming more...
Jul 7, 2020, 8:31 AM
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It's almost like we keep screwing over young people again and again, and they've come to realize that they're the ones who are going to have to fix everything.
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In fairness, for that to be the case, it’s certainly helped
Jul 7, 2020, 8:33 AM
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Along by a continuous drumbeat to young people of how badly the USA has screwed them.
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Ah yes,
Jul 7, 2020, 8:44 AM
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if it weren't for those libtard professors or the biased media, we could have swept the whole $26 trillion national debt thing under the rug.
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Because Gen X and the Millenials were never young
Jul 7, 2020, 8:47 AM
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Once, nor did they have any ability to elect leaders who would attack that debt. Yes, we’re just on the continuous victim train.
Good thing this current crop of young people seems hellbent on tightening their belts and really cutting into government largesse, right?
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didn't realize the debt thing was a partisan issue...
Jul 7, 2020, 8:48 AM
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who has a plan?
Is the plan to fix this debt issue free healthcare, free education, and universal basic income?
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Darn, you said the same thing I did but
Jul 7, 2020, 8:55 AM
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More effectively. I gotta stop fighting snark with more snark.
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I'll be honest...
Jul 7, 2020, 8:59 AM
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I love free money. But I cringe at these stimulus checks. The bill is going to come due some time. We can suffer now or later...
Further, I much more enjoyed the snarky "tightening their belts." Much better writing.
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Lot o points [155706]
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Snark is fun and I think I’m pretty good at it
Jul 7, 2020, 9:04 AM
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But it’s a terrible communication tool. It’s the political discussion version of a battle rap.
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Absolutely nuthin, but do you think anyone ever
Jul 7, 2020, 1:44 PM
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Leaves a battle rap thinking, “you know, Def Mic had a point....maybe my rhyme and style AREN’T as fresh as I’ve been led to believe.”?
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Maybe if we changed the debate format to this
Jul 7, 2020, 1:50 PM
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we would finally see a field with fewer 70+ white guys. Outside of ranked choice primaries, this is the election reform I most want to see.
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Re: didn't realize the debt thing was a partisan issue...
Jul 7, 2020, 9:05 AM
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Talking specifically about the national debt, I think the problem is that the status quo on both sides is to just deal with it later. It's stuff like this that I think moves both sides away from center.
It's funny that you picked those three examples. Do you not see why those would be important for recent college graduates?
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I do see that they might like this...
Jul 7, 2020, 9:13 AM
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but don't embrace that and then tell me I'm destroying your future.
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They actually asked Biden about this theory, and
Jul 7, 2020, 7:56 AM
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He said “Potatoes, baby......just straight Air Force rice and twine till we climb that hill.”
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Re: Are Dem’s planning to use 25th Amendment?
Jul 7, 2020, 8:22 AM
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Who would know the deep state far left agenda better than a republican? I guess 70+ year old white guys gotta stick together.
On a more serious note, I take any attack on Biden that isn't about his policies or character as a sort of endorsement of him. "Gotta make sure Joe stays out of office or we might end up with a black woman as President."
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Re: Are Dem’s planning to use 25th Amendment?
Jul 7, 2020, 8:43 AM
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brilliantly crafted stereotype of 70+ year old white guys
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Re: Are Dem’s planning to use 25th Amendment?
Jul 7, 2020, 8:48 AM
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Why are you so racist?
The point of the OP article is “...or we will end up with a radical leftist as President.” Race has nothing to do with it, except it does for the Dems because it sounds like they are trying to make “black woman” a requirement for Joe’s VP pick. Some people are totally focused on race, and it’s not your hated old white guys.
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Ah I see my mistake
Jul 7, 2020, 8:57 AM
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My made up quote was just an example of the broader strategy to move the conversation away from Biden's qualifications. The opinion piece in the OP is just the latest version of this strategy. Seems like I mighta hit close to home though.
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Ah, apparently you don’t.***
Jul 7, 2020, 8:58 AM
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I'll trade a complete government run by liberal white guys
Jul 7, 2020, 9:10 AM
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for a government run by conservative black females.
The only time skin color plays into my vote is if the choice is between a conservative white person and a conservative black person. I will vote for the black person when everything else is equal.
The fact that it is a black woman is political manipulation. Conservatives are concerned with the politics of the person so close to the WH. It is also disturbing that sex and race has become a qualification.
Message was edited by: because, good grief mu Mac keyboard is screwing up big time.
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Re: I'll trade a complete government run by liberal white guys
Jul 7, 2020, 9:32 AM
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Looking at Trump and Biden as the two main choices, I have no idea what the qualifications are any more.
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agreed...
Jul 7, 2020, 9:44 AM
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the qualifications are people who have a big enough ego or mental instability who can survive a culture where social media look to bring out the worst in everybody.
Decent people don't want to put their families through that.
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Re: Did Jessy Jackson or Al Sharpton hack your account?***
Jul 7, 2020, 9:39 AM
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That's one of the most poorly written opinion pieces I've
Jul 7, 2020, 8:44 AM
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ever read.
They are a fanatical group.
Biden is suspect to them, of course.
He defeated their patron saints, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Warren, and thus they demand that he have as his cohort an acceptable socialist/progressive who is fervent about the cause.
This is about power.
All major elections are.
This guy isn't writing complete paragraphs. It's like a series of bullet points.
His colleagues could declare him too old to handle the presidency and remove him under the 25th Amendment.
Et tu, Brute?
The Cause will have been completed.
Power will be fully in the hands of the statue-removers, the social justice police and those who see America's political history as basically evil. Socialist/progressive excess will govern.
It will be a coup.
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For the benefit of his doubt, it was a computer error
Jul 7, 2020, 9:44 AM
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causing a line break after each sentence. Yeah.
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Re: Are Dem’s planning to use 25th Amendment?
Jul 7, 2020, 9:00 AM
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Having a "green new deal" type of leftist as a VP might be the ticket Trump needs for four more years.
I read through most all the posts...not sure I agree Trump gains momentum with continued crisis. Although if this stuff (below) continues, I agree. My liberal brother-in-law lives in ATL and did not even know this was happening.
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I’ve not seen this in the news
Jul 7, 2020, 12:00 PM
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Where & when was this picture taken and who do they represent?
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Re: I’ve not seen this in the news
Jul 7, 2020, 1:49 PM
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