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TNET: Quarterback: Battle for starting spot heads into final week of fall camp

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 4:03 PM
 

 
Quarterback: Battle for starting spot heads into final week of fall camp

Clemson’s production at quarterback last season was good, not great. For the Tigers to make a return to the College Football Playoff and have a shot at winning the title, the quarterback play must be better. Full Story »



Production was average, at best, last year...Good is an

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 4:19 PM
 

overstatement


I'll give it a good. Take away Bama and


Posted: Aug 19, 2018 6:18 PM
 

Cuse, and it was very good.

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Re: I'll give it a good. Take away Bama and


Posted: Aug 19, 2018 10:01 PM
 

wrong, Our passing game/offense was way down across the board, We had close games all season against inferior opponents. Our defense bailed us out all year. It was Kelly's fist year, if has improved, that's awesome, we will find out on the field


Re: I'll give it a good. Take away Bama and

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 10:10 PM
 

We had more close games in 16 btw.


Largely because we got into some shootouts.


Posted: Aug 20, 2018 7:15 AM
 

Defense was better in 17 but offense was a fair bit worse.


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Posted: Aug 20, 2018 7:20 AM
 

But better QB play... Or do you want to argue 3-5 passing TD's a game vs 0-1?


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Posted: Aug 20, 2018 9:41 AM
 

Those close games had absolutely nothing to do with qb play. Without great qb play we lose some games that year. We lose a few games last year without great defensive play.


He stated QB play overall not just the passing game.

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 11:17 PM
 

I’ll give KB a very good for rushing and running the offense. I’ll give him an average for his passing game. So, good overall.

He ate VT and Louisville up running the ball. Both on the road.

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Posted: Aug 20, 2018 7:15 AM
 




Re: He stated QB play overall not just the passing game.


Posted: Aug 20, 2018 8:47 AM
 

Everyone seems to forget KB completing his first 15 against Miami.


Re: He stated QB play overall not just the passing game.

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Posted: Aug 20, 2018 9:14 AM
 

There were 14 games...that was just one of them. How'd he do in those regards his other 13?

People also tend to forget he only had 7 rushing yards in that Miami game...and the highest rusher of the game (Etienne) only had 24 yards. Wonder what they were selling to stop?


Re: TNET: Quarterback: Battle for starting spot heads into final week of fall camp

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 4:28 PM
 

That last line is a great sign. Things starting to slow down for TL. I don't care who you are, the game speed from high school to college to nfl are huge jumps.

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 6:12 PM
 

Absolutely, and that is bc the speed and talent gets a lot better from one level to the next level. The very best way to judge how these guys are doing at the next level, is how fast they can process the game speed, and when it slows down for them, they start to see what's going on in all area's of the field!!!

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Re: TNET: Quarterback: Battle for starting spot heads into final week of fall camp

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 4:29 PM
 

Sounds like much of the same news as before. At least it gave me a good read for a slow Sunday afternoon.

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Re: TNET: Quarterback: Battle for starting spot heads into final week of fall camp

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 5:17 PM
 

Pretty sure we heard alot of the same statments last year from the coaching staff.
But hey, isn't that what Tigernet is for, for us to voice our opinions.

:)
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Re: TNET: Quarterback: Battle for starting spot heads into final week of fall camp

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 5:19 PM
 

So glad to hear the comment about TL extending plays by keeping his head up and looking downfield. When DW4 hit the field that was the first thing I noticed. His ability to look downfield while scrambling. Most quarterbacks stop looking downfield when they pull the ball down to run. So many big plus came after he left the pocket but continued to look for a receiver to come open. If TL has this knack he will be as good as advertised. Can’t wait to see it in person.

GO TIGERS!!!! 13 DAY!!!!!!


Re: TNET: Quarterback: Battle for starting spot heads into final week of fall camp

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 5:36 PM
 

He has ""THA'KNACK"" !!!! ____________ wording has changed in the "coach speak" over the last few interviews??? although they are trying to say the same things***


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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 5:39 PM
 

Notice the picture attached to this thread has #16 at quarterback !!!! GO TIGERS !!!!!!!!!!


Re: TNET: Quarterback: Battle for starting spot heads into final week of fall camp

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 5:42 PM
 

Same propaganda, different year.

My biggest concern about Dabo is that he didn't even give HJ a shot during the 4th quarter of the Surgar bowl. Now all the propaganda coming out about KB is to have us believe that he has improved. As if the Spring Game never happened. When TL blows KB away in scrimage, they tell us, that we don't know what we are looking at. They tell us that KB is actually ahead in the film room.


Don't be surprised if TL and CB are tied for second string and KB is announced the starter. This is to have us all believe that there is too much separation between KB and the rest.


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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 6:58 PM
 

You tell ‘em Coot!!!

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Nice pulse, bro.***


Posted: Aug 20, 2018 9:29 AM
 



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Tell 'em coot


Posted: Aug 20, 2018 9:41 AM
 

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Re: TNET: Quarterback: Battle for starting spot heads into final week of fall camp

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 5:59 PM
 

Same crap different day. I seem to remember DW4 freshman year with a QB that couldn’t hold DWs jock starting the GA game. DW4 was better but Dabo was loyal to a fault. Bryant is average but not even good back there. He’s a running back trying to play QB. Loyalty may cost us something special this year. I hope Dabo has a real short leash on #2.

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Re: TNET: Quarterback: Battle for starting spot heads into final week of fall camp

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 6:11 PM
 

Alright guys...calm down. Even with KB at QB we still have plenty of talent to win every game. I agree that TL is better and that he will take the starting job at some point this season, but lets not get all crazy with the doom and gloom about ruining a special season if KB starts a couple of games. With KB the spread should be about -14 on average and with TL it should be -21/24.

We are going to be fine. Let Dabo do his job. Lets not forget he is the one who has built what we have now.


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Posted: Aug 20, 2018 1:18 PM
 

That QB that couldn't hold Watson's jock strap destroyed Oklahoma on a neutral field. It's not like he was a talentless hack.

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Posted: Aug 21, 2018 1:28 AM
 

And Cole played hurt most of the year.

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 6:28 PM
 

For the Tigers to make a return to the College Football Playoff and have a shot at winning the title, the Offensive Line play must be better.
Did not matter who was QB against Alabama, no QB can win without at least decent blocking. The O-Line was not good in that game.


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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 7:18 PM
 

Thank you. If you read all of the comments here you'd think KB lost the Alabama game all by himself. He had no time in the pocket and couldn't find space to run. He was shut down. I don't think Tom Brady could have done much better with the hand he was dealt that night.
Go Tigers.

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 9:05 PM
 

O line looked bad bc bama had no respect for downfield game

Chicken egg

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Re: TNET: even Tom Brady (long)

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 9:52 PM
 

You're wrong.

Deshaun would have led us to victory, which might seem like an unrealistic expectation for Kelly, but illustrates that a top notch QB could have made the difference.

Let me compare, but stress that the areas where Kelly supposedly is improving are just as important as downfield accuracy, so I'm glad to hear this discussed by Dabo and TE.

First, responding to physical play. A great QB, like DW4, might be rattled by late hits, personal fouls, ferocious shots including a clothesline, but he will regain his equilibrium and make you pay. The Bama defenses that rattled Deshaun were great defenses, yet he rallied to throw for over 400 apiece against them. With one pick, total, on an incredible play. The defense that swarmed Kelly didn't resort to cheap shots, yet he was overwhelmed just by the variety of looks in coverage and pass rush. They did play physical with our WRs, but since the ball wasn't delivered accurately very often the refs didn't care. And he threw 2 regrettable picks.

Second, protection. You can complain all you want about the OL, but who is it that takes a sack? Always the QB. So who is supposed to make sure the center has called the protections correctly? Oh yeah, Tom Brady. Kelly's problem was he didn't know the protections, even if he correctly identified the rushers (which he didn't). So he didn't move his RB into position to pick up free rushers, nor did he ever check out of bad plays or even bad formations. (For instance, Todd Blackledge made a big deal about their DE using explosive power to blow through a block and tackle our RB, then backpedaled when the replay showed our tackle pulled and left the guy unblocked. It was reminiscent of Clowney v. Michigan. We ran that play from that formation 3 times, resulting in 3 TFLs by that DE. Not only did we call the play 3 times, Kelly actually ran that play 3 times. Neither DW4 nor Brady would have run it a second time without checking out of it.)

Third, recognizing coverages. Similar to recognizing protection. Kelly had several opportunities to make throws into one-on,-one coverage but failed to recognize them. Of course, Bama was trying to bait him with disguised coverages, and they succeeded. They usually tried to front our guys in coverage so Kelly had to throw over the top, not his best throw. Our guys are not dummies (in spite of that one playcall issue), so our WRs went into formations and routes that exposed the coverage. Within 3 steps, every WR coverage is exposed except for the safetys playing over the top. On some plays, the safety doesn't matter--but Kelly has to have thorough knowledge of our playbook and route tree to know where his opportunities are. DW4 and Tom Brady would have done this. (This was a controllable factor; Kelly was simply unprepared, either by immaturity, inadequate coaching, or inexperience v. an elite defense. But this failure was all on Kelly.)

But the fourth, and most annoying failure on Kelly's part (IMHO), was how frequently he took his eye off the play just to field the snap. Falcinelli was getting eaten up by Daron Payne (see, i agree with your basic point re. the OL underperforming), so maybe a bad snap or two is understandable; but when it happens the QB must let the Center know. Falcinelli had at least 4 snaps below KB's knees. DW4 and Tom Brady wouldn't tolerate that. Additionally, KB bent over to field thigh-high snaps with both hands another 12-15 times. This should be unnecessary. After taking thousands of shotgun snaps in his career, and having large athletic hands, he should not need to stoop to field a waist- or thigh-high snap. Every stoop takes his eyes off the play in front of him. When disguised coverages and blitzes were being exposed on the first 3 steps of a play, Kelly was still carefully looking the ball into both hands and then trying to identify what had just changed. The game was too fast, and he wasn't willing to adjust. This is not the play of a winner like DW4 or Tom Brady. This is the play of an overwhelmed game manager, whose attitude is "I'm just doing the best i can."

So all I'm trying to say is that KB still has lots of room for improvement even in leadership and game management, and anybody who thinks Alabama is gonna make it easier on Kelly the second time needs their head examined. If he lost his will to win the first time they did it to him, they will certainly try the same game plan again.

Would TL16 need to do all this in a CFP game? It depends if 1) a DC gets extra time to prepare his team like Bama did and 2) a DC thinks he can get away with that level of aggressiveness. If a QB, like DW4, makes the defense pay for crowding the LoS, they will stop doing it--unless that's the only way they can win.


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Posted: Aug 21, 2018 9:09 AM
 

Doubt you’ll see this but great game wrap and explanation. Not sure why anyone would TD this post, all they have to do is go back and watch the game and see where you were spot on. Kb got away with this all year because the D gave him the ball enough and the opposition didn’t have the experience or players on their D to expose this.

If anyone has been listening to the coaches this year, you’d see they’ve been trying to say that kb has worked on all this. Whether he has or not, don’t know but he sure didn’t in the spring game. Time will tell.

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 9:52 PM
 

You're wrong.

Deshaun would have led us to victory, which might seem like an unrealistic expectation for Kelly, but illustrates that a top notch QB could have made the difference.

Let me compare, but stress that the areas where Kelly supposedly is improving are just as important as downfield accuracy, so I'm glad to hear this discussed by Dabo and TE.

First, responding to physical play. A great QB, like DW4, might be rattled by late hits, personal fouls, ferocious shots including a clothesline, but he will regain his equilibrium and make you pay. The Bama defenses that rattled Deshaun were great defenses, yet he rallied to throw for over 400 apiece against them. With one pick, total, on an incredible play. The defense that swarmed Kelly didn't resort to cheap shots, yet he was overwhelmed just by the variety of looks in coverage and pass rush. They did play physical with our WRs, but since the ball wasn't delivered accurately very often the refs didn't care. And he threw 2 regrettable picks.

Second, protection. You can complain all you want about the OL, but who is it that takes a sack? Always the QB. So who is supposed to make sure the center has called the protections correctly? Oh yeah, Tom Brady. Kelly's problem was he didn't know the protections, even if he correctly identified the rushers (which he didn't). So he didn't move his RB into position to pick up free rushers, nor did he ever check out of bad plays or even bad formations. (For instance, Todd Blackledge made a big deal about their DE using explosive power to blow through a block and tackle our RB, then backpedaled when the replay showed our tackle pulled and left the guy unblocked. It was reminiscent of Clowney v. Michigan. We ran that play from that formation 3 times, resulting in 3 TFLs by that DE. Not only did we call the play 3 times, Kelly actually ran that play 3 times. Neither DW4 nor Brady would have run it a second time without checking out of it.)

Third, recognizing coverages. Similar to recognizing protection. Kelly had several opportunities to make throws into one-on,-one coverage but failed to recognize them. Of course, Bama was trying to bait him with disguised coverages, and they succeeded. They usually tried to front our guys in coverage so Kelly had to throw over the top, not his best throw. Our guys are not dummies (in spite of that one playcall issue), so our WRs went into formations and routes that exposed the coverage. Within 3 steps, every WR coverage is exposed except for the safetys playing over the top. On some plays, the safety doesn't matter--but Kelly has to have thorough knowledge of our playbook and route tree to know where his opportunities are. DW4 and Tom Brady would have done this. (This was a controllable factor; Kelly was simply unprepared, either by immaturity, inadequate coaching, or inexperience v. an elite defense. But this failure was all on Kelly.)

But the fourth, and most annoying failure on Kelly's part (IMHO), was how frequently he took his eye off the play just to field the snap. Falcinelli was getting eaten up by Daron Payne (see, i agree with your basic point re. the OL underperforming), so maybe a bad snap or two is understandable; but when it happens the QB must let the Center know. Falcinelli had at least 4 snaps below KB's knees. DW4 and Tom Brady wouldn't tolerate that. Additionally, KB bent over to field thigh-high snaps with both hands another 12-15 times. This should be unnecessary. After taking thousands of shotgun snaps in his career, and having large athletic hands, he should not need to stoop to field a waist- or thigh-high snap. Every stoop takes his eyes off the play in front of him. When disguised coverages and blitzes were being exposed on the first 3 steps of a play, Kelly was still carefully looking the ball into both hands and then trying to identify what had just changed. The game was too fast, and he wasn't willing to adjust. This is not the play of a winner like DW4 or Tom Brady. This is the play of an overwhelmed game manager, whose attitude is "I'm just doing the best i can."

So all I'm trying to say is that KB still has lots of room for improvement even in leadership and game management, and anybody who thinks Alabama is gonna make it easier on Kelly the second time needs their head examined. If he lost his will to win the first time they did it to him, they will certainly try the same game plan again.

Would TL16 need to do all this in a CFP game? It depends if 1) a DC gets extra time to prepare his team like Bama did and 2) a DC thinks he can get away with that level of aggressiveness. If a QB, like DW4, makes the defense pay for crowding the LoS, they will stop doing it--unless that's the only way they can win.


Re: TNET: Quarterback: Battle for starting spot heads into final week of fall camp

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 9:24 PM
 

bullshtitt excuse comment like we haven't heard many times.

Blame the OL
Blame the WRs

Total BS


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Posted: Aug 20, 2018 5:03 AM
 

Blame the RBs for not picking up the blitz?
Actually I do not blame any one for losing to Alabama, last I heard they were the best team in college football and we were not. This year we may be, but we might have to beat Alabama to prove it.


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Posted: Aug 20, 2018 8:48 AM
 

"We" as in who we, coots? You'd get more respect if you quit trying to convince people you're NOT a coot.

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Posted: Aug 20, 2018 9:41 AM
 

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I guess you missed the title game

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Posted: Aug 20, 2018 10:16 AM
 

The one where UGA committed to backing Bama D off the LOS by throwing mid range and downfield despite throwing a pick right out the gate. They created space to run their offense by using good QB play. Quit blaming our OL for this. You can’t block an entire defense that can load up with no fear of downfield plays.


Are anymore major scrimmages scheduled before

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 7:10 PM
 

game prep for furman starts?

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Re: Are anymore major scrimmages scheduled before

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 7:59 PM
 

No. I read last week was it for scrimmages. Does anyone really think Kb will not start? He’s guaranteed week 1&2. He’ll look like all world against Furman. But so will CB and TL.

The coach speak has changed though. KB is so much more than last year and you’re not hearing much about all QB’s will play.

It’s kinda funny just how much the same things and timelines for last year are the same this year but with different names.

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 8:07 PM
 



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All I can do when I read these articles is chuckle.

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 8:01 PM
 

The notion that there is a QB “battle” is coachspeak to keep the three QBs motivated and engaged. All good coaches with more than one really good QB do it.

I don’t believe for one minute that the coaches are entertaining starting anyone other than Bryant for the time being. I am sure they are truly evaluating all three guys, but I am not believing much of what they say at this point. We will see who plays the most snaps at Texas A&M. That will truly tell us who they think is best.

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KB will start at A&M, IMHO*

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 8:11 PM
 

Nm


I agree. It will be interesting to see if he gets most of the snaps though.***

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I think how short of a leash . .


Posted: Aug 19, 2018 9:51 PM
 

KB will have, will be something to watch. When it doesn't look like things are going to plan . .how long before TL gets in the game?


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Posted: Aug 20, 2018 9:43 AM
 

Tell 'em coot.


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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 8:24 PM
 

That will be the first test. A&M has some talent and Sinbo knows what he is up against RE Clemson. I am hopeful Clemson will put most games away early, and all 3 QBs can get some playing time.


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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 8:35 PM
 

That is what we all would like to see, but in reality it never happens the way we want it to work out!!!

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Re: All I can do when I read these articles is chuckle.

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 8:13 PM
 

I believe the QB competition needs to be won in furman game. All QBs should play and that game should determine the starter. Just my opinion of course


Re: All I can do when I read these articles is chuckle.


Posted: Aug 19, 2018 8:28 PM
 

KB should start against Vermin and put it away quickly. If not, put TL in to finish the job. CB should get some snaps too.


What can you really learn against Furman that you cant


Posted: Aug 20, 2018 1:25 PM
 

learn in a scrimmage? We won't really know who the best QB is until they all get reps against some legit P5 defenses.


Re: All I can do when I read these articles is chuckle.


Posted: Aug 20, 2018 8:02 AM
 

I agree, Judge. And furthermore, may even be starting Adam Choice at RB in the first game on top of KB.

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 8:29 PM
 

If KB has truely improved as stated, then I'm excited to see him. I get the coach speak, and his noted passing struggles, but surely his overall command of the game is markedly improved. He can get us to the CFP!


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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 8:31 PM
 

It’s obvious by hearing post practice interviews, it’s decided that Bryant is the starter, I agree with the coaches too, if he’s improved his vertical passing game and the timing on the screens etc, if that’s the case he should start game one. This one is already decided


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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 8:35 PM
 

Two things...

1. Hope the players dont read this stuff

2. Glad the coaches dont take advice from all the negative post here. They know how the fans base feels about the QB situation. Dabo gets asked within the first 3 minutes at every interview.... So coach hows the QB battle? So is TL starting? How you going to start KB over TL? Lol... reminds me of that Denzel Washington movie, Remember The Titans. When the coach wouldnt start a parents kid and everyone got upset...


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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 9:18 PM
 

remember this, there is another factor -team chemistry involved. If KB is seen in the locker room as the man, to suddenly replace him with a true freshman could be a huge disaster. On of the things either CB or TL has to do is establish leadership with the team. A team who resents their QB can turn him into a disaster in a heartbeat. Not saying its a problem but it needs to be watched. On the other hand, players probably know who should be the starter before the coaches....


Bingo

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Posted: Aug 19, 2018 9:51 PM
 

I read a lot of shortsighted comments about our staff and how they go about naming a starter. Almost none of them take into consideration who the players actually look up to as the leader. We can argue about who is more talented but that does not necessarily mean that player should start at this point. Eventually? Yes, if that player can step into a leadership role and develop chemistry with his teammates. Not only that but the player has to understand the playbook, make the right reads, call the right protections etc. Being the total package needed to be QB at Clemson is a tall order for a true freshman and even if someone is the next DW4 I can see why the coach would be slow to start a true freshman especially on day one. The coaches have a lot on the line. Anyone with any sense can’t blame them for playing it safe especially early in the season. The coaches aren’t stupid. You would think that after three straight playoff appearances our fans could trust them and give them some grace even if they make the wrong decision. All that to say I guarantee the number one thing they are looking at in this situation is whose leadership the team responds to. That is something that only those in the locker room know. I would say KB has it because of what he’s done with the team on the field. TL and CB will get their shot to earn the same respect from the team.

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Re: Bingo

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Posted: Aug 20, 2018 7:33 AM
 

I've stated that a few times in mine... Would you like the links?


You’ve been very outspoken on the subject.


Posted: Aug 20, 2018 7:39 AM
 

Lots of posts on the subject almost daily and most of which I don’t read. Although I don’t recall you saying that I pretty much know what you think. You and I are on the same page for the most part. If you want to you can link it and I will read it.

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Re: You’ve been very outspoken on the subject.


Posted: Aug 20, 2018 9:44 AM
 

https://www.tigernet.com/forum/message/Re-all-clemson-fans-are-kb-pumpers-23871650#23871650



https://www.tigernet.com/forum/message/Re-I-will-trust-Dabos-decision-regardless-23231466#23231466



Re: You’ve been very outspoken on the subject.

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Posted: Aug 20, 2018 9:54 AM
 

https://www.tigernet.com/forum/message/Re-Take-time-to-read-everything-below-23867228#23867228


^ You responded to that one, which directly mentions the earning the respect of the team. And yep, we are mostly on the same page.


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Posted: Aug 20, 2018 1:47 AM
 

12-2 as a starter with weak pass protection on the right side of the line most of 2017...an inconsistent receiver starting in Cain as the primary go-to receiver...an OC that didn't call the plays that were your strength (the run game... Feaster averaged 6.7 you, but only carried the ball 107 times but played every game). You guys can keep underestimating KB and keep comparing him to what DW4 did. But your memories are clearly short term... You don't remember when DW4 struggled against Louisville his freshmen year right before breaking his hand on a play that he should have just thrown the ball away or took a slide. You forgot the next year in 2015 when he struggled against the same Louisville team 199 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs. Or when he only completed 51% of his passes against Oklahoma that same year. You only remember the wins. That was his second year starting. KB went 12-2 his first year without a Mike Williams, a Jordan Leggett, an Artavis Scott, or a Wayne Gallman rushing for 1500+ yards and knowing how to pick up blitzing LBs... Without a vet at starting right Tackle. You guys are the same guys that watched KB make all of the throws against NC State in Raleigh when he was playing from behind the entire first half and needed to keep us scoring with them because our defense didn't get any pressure on Findley... When he passed for 191 yards and 1 TD and 1 Int, ran for 105 yards and 2 TDs... You all were in his wagon then... Remember when he helped us win on the road in Carter-Finley stadium where so many ranked teams have fallen... Like we did in 2011 when we rolled in #7 in the nation with Tahj Boyd and got rolled 37-13. You guys blame KB for everything without stopping to realize that he was a first year starter without some of the best we have seen at WR, TE, and RB... He led us to the CFP and a 12-2 record as was a missed block from leading us to taking the lead in the Bama game in the third quarter; if Travis picks up that one block, KB his Thompson on the post for a TD to go up 13-10 in a game our defense was holding them to 10 points at the half... But you didn't see that. You go face a Bama team coming off their first loss of the season as a first year starter standing behind a line that was getting man handled on the entire right side and come back and tell me how you handled that pressure for an entire first half and still hung in there and made those throws on that drive that was about to give us the lead... You can't tell me that because you couldn't do it... He did, but you were too busy criticizing. He will shock you and your fellow critics this season... I won't be shocked because I know what a receiver like Mike Williams and Higgins does for a QB, I know what an improved o line does for the confidence of a passer, I know what a RB that can pick up the blitz can do for a QB's stats, I know what a second year can do for a starter at any position. Dabo does, too. The first team to go 15-0... The 2018 Tigers led by KB and a nasty defense.


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Posted: Aug 20, 2018 6:42 AM
 

Let’s see if he can complete a pass more than 15 yards downfield. That would be a major improvement.

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Posted: Aug 20, 2018 7:49 AM
 

Go back and watch the actual games from last year and not the Spring Game...


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Posted: Aug 20, 2018 7:55 AM
 

He doesn't have to... He was 25.6% completions in his passes 20 yards or more. You can watch as many games as you want as many times as you want, and it won't change that.
https://www.cfbfilmroom.com/2018/01/16/kelly-bryant-2017-passing-chart/


KB is decent but...

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Posted: Aug 20, 2018 8:44 AM
 

Jake Bentley is decent too but as you can see, decent won’t win championships. To have a QB that only completes a quarter of his throws more than 15 yards downfield isn’t going to win many championships. KB is a running back who happens to play QB. TL is a QB and a beast of one at that. If you can’t complete a 15 yard pass, you really aren’t compatible with our system. KB just happened to be the best we had...LAST YEAR. if Dabo is truthful when he says the best players will play, and KB runs out there then I’ll have to take Dabo at his word that TL isn’t quite ready yet. I just hope he isn’t starting KB out of loyalty and not have a minuscule leash on him. If DW4 would have started against UGA his freshman year, I feel like we would have won that game in Athens. He came in late and almost brought us back to win.

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Re: TNET: Quarterback: Battle for starting spot heads into final week of fall camp


Posted: Aug 20, 2018 10:17 AM
 

It’s hilarious you bring up the Nc state game as feather in kb’s cap, when he played horribly, under throwing td after td. Missing wide open receivers over and over. Dabo literally said that was kb’s worst game until that point and it wasn’t even close.


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Posted: Aug 20, 2018 11:16 AM
 

It still ended up his worst completion percentage of the entire regular season (and his second lowest QB Rat score of the regular season), only game worse in completions was Alabama in the post season. I've never quite understood why people keep mentioning that game. We were behind twice in it.




He ran the ball OK in that game, but 191 yards on 38


Posted: Aug 20, 2018 1:33 PM
 

attempts (5.0 YPA) is really bad. Finley averaged 6.8 YPA against a much better Clemson defense.


Re: He ran the ball OK in that game, but 191 yards on 38


Posted: Aug 20, 2018 10:17 PM
 

I'll be back after he leads this team to the 15-0 record just to say I told you so.


Re: He ran the ball OK in that game, but 191 yards on 38


Posted: Aug 20, 2018 11:50 PM
 

What did that have to do with last year's deep passing or the NC State game you apparently didn't look at the stats of? Sorry bub, you were wrong on that, no matter if you think you'll be back or not. But he?? Last I saw, coaches intend to play multiple QB's... Don't think Kelly is alone anymore. Guess you missed that.


Re: TNET: Quarterback: Battle for starting spot heads into final week of fall camp


Posted: Aug 20, 2018 8:57 AM
 

I think we all know that Kelly Bryant will get the start. With the potentially weak schedule this year, he will probably be the starter unless he is injured or completely flops and almost causes them to lose. This is the Tigers year to win a natty and if Bryant begins to, well be Kelly Bryant, he'll lost the starting job to Trevor Lawrence. Think Cole Stoudt/DeShaun Watson.


good luck to our wrs


Posted: Aug 20, 2018 12:45 PM
 

who are going to get lit up having to wait for balls to arrive that get under thrown to them.


Re: good luck to our wrs


Posted: Aug 21, 2018 2:17 AM
 

Not sure what the coaches mean when they say KB is throwing the deep ball better. Does that mean he is actually throwing it now, instead of holding it and running for two yards?

You know, like we all did when we were playing unorganized ball in the back yard.


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