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TNET: Former Clemson player says new Fair Pay to Play Act is "step in the right direction"


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 7:01 AM
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Former Clemson player says new Fair Pay to Play Act is "step in the right direction"

The Fair Pay to Play Act was signed in California earlier this week and one former Clemson player at the forefront of the movement thinks it’s a step in the right direction. Full Story »



Jenkins joined the o banion suit which

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 7:15 AM
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eliminated the NCAA video games.
Now he supports a law that will effectively eliminate NCAA football as we know it.

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 2:18 PM
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The elimination is all the other sports nobody thinks about.

Everyone makes this argument with regards to football, and basketball players. Those are the sports that generate the money, I understand.

What about Baseball, Soccer, Track? None of these sports generates revenue to support their current schedules.

What happens to Title IX ? Do the dollars have to balance out?

Or, just the number of scholarships? If a player is making endorsement money, do they need scholarships anymore?

Eliminate scholarships, and see where everyone ends up.

This smells of cr*p load of unintended consequences.


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 7:29 AM
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So much for amateur status...once the feds / states get into this and starts taxing all of the benefits players receive now...Ouch! College fb as we know it will be over. They will become independent contractors.

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 7:34 AM
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And what happens when the IRS starts taxing them on free tuitionon, room and board, meals, and the one on one coaching and weight training? Does anyone believe the IRS is going to continue ignoring this 100 to 200K annual benefit? Congress is just waiting to spring this surprise on them.


For academic scholarships, only tuition+books are tax free

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 7:45 AM
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The excess that goes to pay room and board or anything else is taxable (since 1987, thanks Ronnie). If they are required to do work for it, like a teaching assistant, it can be all taxable. A lot of people don’t pay it, but are supposed to. I guess the IRS has just ignored the athletic grants in aid for the last 32 years.


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 11:59 AM
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You forgot to mention the free academic help the athletes receive. I am a reading tutor and I charge $60/hour. I would imagine a lot of the athletes receive several hours a day in help. This could add up very quickly!


Horseradish!

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 7:37 AM
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This could potentially become incredibly amusing, especially if some schools lower their academic standards to admit unqualified football players.

Harvard and Stanford have the wealthiest alumni (for what should be obvious reasons). I think it would be extremely funny if they decided they wanted to win at football at all costs.

"Starting at QB for the Crimson... #18... Sponsored by Facebook... Trevor Lawrence!"

And after Harvard crushed Bama, in the post game interview with TL...

ESPN: "Trevor, you looked great in the 4th quarter. To what do you attribute your performance?"
TL: "First off, I'd like to thank Facebook, Google Analytics and ESPN Sports Science, without whom my performance would have been slightly less than fully optimized. And this #18 Under Armour Advanced Science Jersey really worked well with my Schutt Air Advantage helmet, which coincidentally is now 15% off for all Youth football programs in North America. Finally, today's performance is dedicated to my long-time good friend Steve Jobs (may he rest in peace) and all the good people at Apple for my new Apple 10X, allowing me to keep in touch with all of my many friends around the world and here in Harvard Crimson Nation! If you ain't first, you're last!"

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Fluxus said:

This could potentially become incredibly amusing, especially if some schools lower their academic standards to admit unqualified football players.

Harvard and Stanford have the wealthiest alumni (for what should be obvious reasons). I think it would be extremely funny if they decided they wanted to win at football at all costs.

"Starting at QB for the Crimson... #18... Sponsored by Facebook... Trevor Lawrence!"

And after Harvard crushed Bama, in the post game interview with TL...

ESPN: "Trevor, you looked great in the 4th quarter. To what do you attribute your performance?"
TL: "First off, I'd like to thank Facebook, Google Analytics and ESPN Sports Science, without whom my performance would have been slightly less than fully optimized. And this #18 Under Armour Advanced Science Jersey really worked well with my Schutt Air Advantage helmet, which coincidentally is now 15% off for all Youth football programs in North America. Finally, today's performance is dedicated to my long-time good friend Steve Jobs (may he rest in peace) and all the good people at Apple for my new Apple 10X, allowing me to keep in touch with all of my many friends around the world and here in Harvard Crimson Nation! If you ain't first, you're last!"


Might be funnier if you got TL16 number right but I doubt it


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 8:19 AM
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He had to change the number to avoid having to pay a royalty


Duh

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The NCAA already lowered academic requirements


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 11:27 AM
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For athletes universally.


Schools and conferences can implement additional read if they want.


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 11:57 AM
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LOL, Fluxus, your on it! Now you see where this is headed!


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 1:19 PM
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You blew an opportunity to have Suave be one of Trevor Lawrence's sponsors .
Tssk Tssk .

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So do engineer or science students that contribute

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 8:07 AM
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to the university receiving a patent now get part of the millions that the patent brings in? That happens too. And let's face it, only a very few athletes are worth anything from a marketing standpoint.

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Re: TNET: Former Clemson player says new Fair Pay to Play Act is "step in the right direction"


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 8:22 AM
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Jenkins alluded to the fact that a lot of small towns benefit from these athletic programs. I guess he ignores that there will be a whole lot more money around population centers and the best players will not be playing in these small towns anymore.


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 8:44 AM
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No one is talking about this from the here and now.
Whats to stop these California schools boosters from negotiating with players now like DJ U. and others from their state to come to their school because by the time the NCAA can do anything it will be law. Just like pot once the law passed people did not wait on the law to go in affect to sell it, because no one would go after them. NCAA needs to act now or we will start losing recruits left and right to CA schools.


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 8:43 AM
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I don't have any insights into all the ways this will change college athletics, but I can't possibly imagine that this is going to benefit any player in the way they are hoping. This will be the end of what was a great 150 year run... Amateurism is one of the greatest parts of the game; and getting to watch people play at a high level just because they love the game. Without getting too far into politics, my general rule of thumb is that if the legislature in CA thinks it's good, it's probably crazy and bad.


Which fans pay more for signatures, likeness etc?


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 8:49 AM
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Fans of Bama, Ohio State, LSU, et al or fans of Vanderbilt, Wake Forest football? And does that determine where a student athlete plays?

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UGAy alum would pay TL $1mil for his signature if he....


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 8:59 AM
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...goes to play for UGAy?

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Animosity becomes a problem for "stars" raking in the big $

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 9:01 AM
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...but the players who are the unsung hero's like the OL protecting the QB might not get squat for their signature. Then, there could be a shakedown...OL forms a union...pay up Mr. Star QB or else.

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 9:03 AM
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I stopped watching pro basketball years ago when they went on strike and one of the superstars, can't remember his name now, stated during the strike that he needed money to make payments on his Porsche or Ferrari or whatever it was. Then I stopped pro baseball after the Braves won their championship and I think it was the next year baseball had a shortened season because of a strike. Then along comes people like Colin Kaepernick politicizing pro football so I've basically stopped watching that. I'm tired of the entitled mentality of most of the pro athletes. Now they are going to ruin college sports and I will stop watching, going to, or spending any money fot that. It is already disgusting me with the way some college coaches start recruiting a kid in 6th or 7th grade. Then these kids grow up with the entitled mentality and they have these huge televised commitment announcements and play games trying to fool people with several different team hats or jerseys on the table. They are taking the joy out of sports. When this happens I'll be hunting, fishing or whatever enjoying nature and wasting my money on prima donnas.


I was thinking the other day...


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 9:13 AM
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if they go through with this I'm done with college sports too. I suspect there are many more that feel the same.

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Re: I was thinking the other day...


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 10:23 AM
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Same


He said "MY FAMILY HAS TO EAT ! ! !" . . . don't remember


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 12:45 PM
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who it was.

Just googled-er it - Latrell Sprewell . . . . figures.

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Today, you can sell the "TEAM" aspect, but let this go


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 9:27 AM
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through and you can't do it anymore.

Just like in the workplace, if your manager says, let's all work and get this done as a "team".

Worker X (who makes $50,000) looks over at Worker Y (who makes $75,000) and says to himself...well he makes more than I do, so he should shoulder more load to earn his keep. I will do the bare minimum to get by.

Then both suffers. Then the team aspect is gone, or is very hard to manufacture.


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 9:30 AM
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I can see it already: offensive linemen filing suit against QBs & RBs because they enabled them to be a star and get royalties, therefore they are due their fair share. What a mess!


Re: when the OL sues the QB...


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 4:46 PM
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According to these geniuses, who would have failed any classes they took in Societal Architecture Science, that too would be a "step in the right direction."


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 9:44 AM
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So let me understand this. I could be an alumni of USC (the real one) and have a registered company (Jose’s Mexican Stand) of which I could pay a player $500k to represent my company and in the contract we state you must attend USC as part of the terms.

Seems like the direction everyone wants this to go and a nice short term advantage for the California teams.

Get that transfer portal ready...things gonna get interesting.


the Universities should start charging license fees every


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 9:44 AM
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time they use former/current {insert university name} player ...., can't wear the logo'd gear in commercials or at marketing events without a special license they have to pay the university for......sue the guys who wear and cause damage to the brand when they bring negative attention to the school. Those players are getting more from the universities than they are paying back. All the $ that is so called being "made" is getting dumped back into the athletic programs not siphoned off

the pro leagues need to open their doors to guys out of HS- hell, let them go after any year of college also- just let the colleges bring them back 1 time if undrafted/don't sign a a FA. Pro football interest is already declining- people are fed up- this will just increase the rate at which this happens as probably 1/2 the people only watch pro football because of their attachment to the players that came from their college -


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 9:57 AM
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Oregon will have a whole team of millionaires all sponsored by Nike. We better enjoy the next couple of years because when this happens we will not win any national championships.

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Being a Capitalist, this CA law leaves me conflicted ??.

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 10:02 AM
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Philosophically, seems an individual should be able to legally make money while in college.

Is the existing financial structure in college athletics really socialism? Football revenue is evenly distributed between players and funds flow to non-revenue producing sports.

Is the concept of “amateurism” some sort of social contract between an individual and the university and a governing body, the NCAA? This “amateur”social contract suggests players give up some of their individual freedoms for the benefit of other players and the University.

It is an interesting dynamic. I wonder if the solution will evolve to formalizing the contracts between players and Universities using a standardized processes approved by the NCAA. A player should have the right to select the University’s contract or go professional at any age. The duration of the contract brings up other interesting discussion.

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 10:13 AM
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Jenkins says the average student makes the university about $25,000.00 a year, while the football team makes the university millions every year. The second figure is correct. The first is incomplete. If one student makes a university approximately $25,000.00 a year, then 20,000 students make a university $500,000,000.00 a year. Am I wrong here?


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 10:20 AM
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I don't think it will take that long. 3 years tops...

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this is such NON issue.. but hey....


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 10:15 AM
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.... lets waste millions of minutes and brain cells discussing something that will affect less than 1% of student athletes across the country. Geez....

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 10:21 AM
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The problem is many of those 1% student athletes end up on the Clemson University football team now. If only the rich schools benefit from the California law, then it's bye bye football dominance and back to the Tommy Bowden days.


Re: this is such NON issue.. but hey....


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 12:56 PM
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You misspelled "Tommy West"

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Better yet


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 10:29 AM
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Change the eligibility rules and/or develop minor league systems. Then we won’t have to deal with or educate these entitled people. I will still support Clemson athletics just as much if not more without this “1 %.” They already get treated like kings now...far better than the average student. Clemson costs almost $30k/yr in-state. So they’re getting $120k+ all the special treatment. Plus their argument is total bs anyway. They say it’s a way for some of these guys who come from poor backgrounds to make some money. Well the only ones who are going to make money are the guys who are talented enough and already going to the NFL/NBA anyway. I also agree with everyone that says it creates a bad team environment when you will inevitably have a few making all the money. And this doesn’t even include the other smaller sports that will hardly benefit at all. Bad idea.


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Of course these guys who are complaining about football $$ are forgetting they pay for all the other sports which never break even. Typical Liberal thinking and when it blows up in their faces their answer will be "well our intentions were good"


Most of these guys have no clue


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 11:22 AM
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how collegiate athletics are funded. They act like there is some big pot of gold that the football and basketball teams are hoarding when in reality that money is subsidizing almost every other sport. We looked at this back in the Spring with the Brownell talk and I don’t believe there is any other sport at Clemson that makes money outside of football and basketball.


Who cares what Jenkins thinks.*

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 10:31 AM
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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 11:08 AM
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California cares. The problem is many of the star high school athletes may gravitate to California if this thing gains traction. Stanford, the real USC, UCLA and a couple of others will become big time winners if all the other states don't follow suit. But even if every state adopted this, many problems, as highlighted by posters above, will begin to sprout.


I personally like the NCAA’s idea to kick CA out


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 11:30 AM
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Or better yet, cause their schools to lose accreditation. Then we’ll see where people go. One state can’t dictate to the rest of the country.


exactly.


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 1:29 PM
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stand firm.

The pac12 is a declining conference anyways, and football is a declining sport on the west coast with things like Pre high school contact bans being put into place.

Let it die.


pretty circular there. but don't really need Jenkins sage


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 1:28 PM
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opinion on the subject. Its totally random and he isn't qualified.


And we always feared Dabo might leave for Bama

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 11:14 AM
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When it will be this that causes him to step away. No offense to Jenkins but what does he think he has ever done on a college athletic field to be compensated for. Guy should never have been offered as he was not a D-1 talent even during the Bowden era. Ask anyone paying off student debt, who didn’t have the luxury of a comprehensive tutoring , nutrition, conditioning, wellness program and network of potential employers how valuable the “compensation” of a full athletic scholarship is.


Jenkins was a starter...

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 11:22 AM
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And he's the one who wrote the We Too Deep song. That alone makes him a Clemson legend IMO. He probably wouldn't start on the current team, but he was one of our best options at the time, so this is an incredibly dumb take.


My definition of legend and what makes one is

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 11:37 AM
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somewhat different than yours. I'll take McFadden, Howard, Fuller, Davis, Fridge, Spiller, Watson,Wilkins,etc. Heck even Daniel Rodriguez or McElrathbey over 7 career pass break ups and one pick. If we credit Jenkins for his musical contributions, is Lee Brice the G.O.A.T.?


I'll defend Jenkins on this point


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 9:49 PM
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You're wrong to think he wasn't a D-1 talent. He showed up and developed quickly and looked super promising. He had some injury problems and was never the same. He was most definitely a good offer, great talent, and great locker room guy. Just unlucky.

He just doesn't seem to understand the negative consequences of this bill for the athletes he's trying to help.

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 11:29 AM
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Obviously, their minds have been poisoned into thinking that they are so put upon. Everything given to them gratis and this is their response. If Jenkins played on a national championship team, then became an assistant, then was laid off, worked a real job for a couple of years, then rehired as an assistant at another school, worked that job for 5 years, then was hired as an interim coach, gained the trust of the school's hierarchy, and worked his butt off to turn the program into the most successful in the nation, then and only then would I pay him millions. ;)


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 11:21 AM
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Uhhhh .... Mr. Jenkins, what do you think the "millions" that football is making the universities is being used for? Could it be to fund the football team, and the non-revenue sports and comply with Title 9? You talk about opening a can of worms ..... this is it!


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 12:05 PM
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Well we know that Coach Swinney makes around $9 million a year. If you just took that salary alone and split it up among the 85 scholarship players that's a little over $105,000/ player per year. $420,000 over four years invested wisely from 18-22 and you're rich! I'm all for opening this up to a free-market! Capitalism, baby!!!!!


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 3:33 PM
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Ummmmmm...... and then Dabo coaches for free. Yeah right!


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Will we only be able to pay Calif recruits for autographs or


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 11:31 AM
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can I give any high school kid 10 grand for his autograph contingent upon him signing with Clemson?

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 12:01 PM
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I, for one, would boycott the sport as for me it would np longer be college football.

As for California fruits and nuts, it is time for them to form their own country and see who cares.

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 11:54 AM
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Mr. Yoda

If you're reading this. Keep up the hard work. I agree with you on the name and likeness and ultimately I think players should be subject to a free market. You represented Clemson with class when you here both as a player and student. Keep changing the world, #14.

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 12:21 PM
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Imagine how many millions Lawrence will make on shampoo commercials alone


I don't really care what Jenkins thinks, paying college


Posted: Oct 2, 2019 12:30 PM
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players over and above the money and benefits they already receiver opens a plethora of cheating and bribery opportunities. College PREPARES you to get paid, no matter the profession. Football is no different, and I bet you the 90% or so students who aren't getting a full ride wish they had the benefits you got as a Clemson football player.


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 12:37 PM
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This is one thing California passed that I can actually get behind. This is great.

The only counter I see to this is the "college football is over as we know it" hysteria. Why? Have you read the Act? It simply allows college athletes to make money from third parties, just like anyone else in America.

Thankfully someone stood up to this false narrative that people are concerned about "amateurism". A coach can leave midseason to take a $2 million raise, but college football is all about "amateurism". A school can fire a coach midseason, pay them a $20 million buyout to not coach, and then hire another coach for $3 million/year, but college football is all about "amateurism". Clemson and Alabama fly to San Francisco to play a football game and fans pay $3,000 for airfare/hotels/tickets, but college football is all about "amateurism". Clemson pays Charlotte $750,000 (or whatever it is) to come play them, but it's all about "amateurism".

Great move. Excited to see how it all shakes out.


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 12:40 PM
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Good analysis, TommyFord09. Your insights border on brilliant. Let's get 'um paid.


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 1:07 PM
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I think the ones being left out of this are the majority of the fans who are not true Boosters. However they will have there say when their team starts to suck because they don't have a Bill Gates type booster to pay all those players top dollar.


None of things you mentioned have anything to do with

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 1:23 PM
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amateurism. HTH


Re: None of things you mentioned have anything to do with

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 3:39 PM
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Exactly, all of the people who run the program or are part of it are paid because they are professionals at what they do. The players are amateur football players and the vast majority will remain amateurs and become professionals in other areas ...... where they will get paid. This opens up a can of worms so great that it will be the demise of college sports as we know it. Awful idea ..... and being proposed by people who would love to see college football done away with and being supported by dupes such as LeBron James who has no appreciation for higher education and zero understanding of what he is supporting.


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 4:49 PM
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I think you guys were trying to disprove my point, but it seems you proved it. Nothing about the current state of college football is amateurism, so let’s stop pretending like it is.

We are currently on a website filled with ads driven by college football. Entire cities bid on hosting a CFB Playoff game. TV networks have been created so that people can watch college football from the comfort of their couch.

I’m sorry, but people aren’t paying money so that QB1 can graduate. People are paying money to watch him play.


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 5:06 PM
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You didn't have a point, so how could we have proved it?

Your only point was, "amateurism in football is a farce! Let's turn all of college sports into a farce for no reason other than it will be fair!"

But it won't be fair.

I think it was Deion IIRC who said a couple years ago that the quickest way to destroy college football would be to let a couple millionaires into the lockerroom (he was referring to players, not boosters).

The game will become so corrupt so quickly that no policing power on earth could regulate it, but that won't stop them from trying.


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 7:08 PM
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Nailed it! How will it work when TL, making a couple a hundred grand a year, is taking snaps from Pollard who is making exactly zero from paid endorsements. Nothing like building that team spirit with a few players making a bundle and the rest not making diddly squat.


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Posted: Oct 3, 2019 6:25 AM
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It works just fine in professional sports and life. Pay inequality is a reality. It would prepare them even more for the NFL or a future job.

Letting millionaires in the locker room? Again, have you read the Act?


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 1:45 PM
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Several have said it and I agree this is the end of College Football as we know it so enjoy the season.

But the real question is was the system correct to begin with? While I like things as they are and wish they would not change a great point was made on the ESPN morning show regarding this.

The example given was someone who earns a Music scholarship can still play concerts or private events for money without any repercussions. This is the same with any other majors such as Computer Science, Engineering, Business, English or whatever. It seems that athletic scholarships are the only ones that limit what a person can earn outside of the University using their talents.

Like it or not that does not seem fair to me. Many will respond that the student athlete is getting a lot from the University and they are. But the university is getting a lot from the athlete as well. So why should the student not be able to use their talents to make additional earnings?

I don't like it and don't want it, but I don't see how you stop it.


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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 2:28 PM
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Did they show any data on who these musicians are and how much money they are actually making on these concerts? How many Engineering students, Business students, etc. are actually making a lot of money while they are in school? If that was actually the case then why is their so much student loan debt? ESPN making chit up as they go imho.


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In an interview Christian Wilkins said he left Clemson with 15,000 in the bank. He ate every meal at the football ops center took his showers there all to decrease his bills and his clothes were clothes supplied by the athletic Dept. He took advantage of everything Clemson offers their athletes. He also worked a short time as a substitute teacher


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It’ll be cool to see lord Trevor put a Budweiser up on the podium after his great victory, he can put a bunch of sponsorship tags all over his jersey, everything from McGee heating and air to trehl, poweraide, p90x, what if he get his own shoe from adidas,maybe ge’ll Get an Aflac commercial Incase he’s injured on the job? will he still have to weat Nike’s? This will be comical.


More than likely it will go down like this:


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CFB will disappear in California.
The NCAA will pull out of all CA higher education schools over Newsome's wanting student athletes to be financially compensated.
The NCAA will not allow CA teams to play in other states where the CA players are paid and the other teams players are not.
The probable outcome is that Oregon, Washington and Hawaii will also go "All In" on the money train too.

If schools DO start to pay players you will see a lot of programs shut down at small to medium sized schools.

No CFB Bowl Games for CA schools, no Championships, etc...
What it will amount to is a junior NFL league that nobody will watch.

This is the only choice the NCAA has available to them and I believe it will be the end of CFB on the LEFT coast.

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Posted: Oct 2, 2019 7:11 PM
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Quote: "CFB will disappear in California."

Pretty much already has! Guess they feel like they have nothing to lose.


Okay, so if players will be allowed to make money in college

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then how about we also allow the universities, coaches, and fans which provide players the opportunity to get a free education, free coaching, free healthcare, etc. to recoup that investment when the players are in the pros?

That's only fair, right?

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So the reading tutor above will not be paid $60 by the school, but the athlete? Will the athlete become ineligible based on failure to pay his service providers on a timely basis?


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Once again, California gets to make the rules for the rest of the country.

Bet we see a bunch of Cali kids stay in state now

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Here comes the unpopular, but very real potential reality. My kid is a scholarship athlete just like someone elses is. My kid is a pretty good athlete and starts at guard but isnt on anyones radar as a phenom, so there wont be any endorsements coming my way. I am already p***ed off because I made just enough money to not qualify for additional financial aid, like many college athletes do, and now my kid takes a beating for skolly money, while someone elses kid, thats a phenom, gets paid and routinely avoids the contact to not lose their sponsor. Guess what I’m telling my kid to do..........someones getting paid or someones not getting protected. We can run that scenario through every position. There are a lot if inequities in life. But at the end of the day, each athlete CHOOSES to come to college to get better at their trade and get national exposure. No University MAKES them come, you have to be three years removed from high school to enter the NFL one year for NBA join the military or get a job and THEN try your luck at going pro. How much money is the training and mentoring you get from the University experience worth?
Im betting hundreds of thousands of dollars in the civilian sector!
Two years ago the number 16 was donned by Big Jordan Leggette and it littered the stands, do you think those clemson lifers went out and bought new number 16s?
Does the University make money off of the athletes? You betcha, its called a business and those are the rules!
Not everyone is gonna get paid, feelings are going to get hurt, so will athletes!
Just my opinion.
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The football team alone does NOT ever make money. Put 22 players on a grassy field by themselves and they make nothing. The athletic department with marketing dollars, and yes, whether you like it or not, the NCAA and the ACC, make money for the respective universities. The organizations that comprise the universities and their athletic agreements with the promotion of THE PRODUCT is what makes money. The pride of amateurism, the love of team sports, the feeling of community and tradition is the product. This is the fatal mistake of the NFL when it transitioned to free agency--it promotes individuals, not teams or traditions. This is why so many prefer college football over professional football now. Start promoting individuals and you lose the product and the team focus and effort. It will dilute the enthusiasm and the fan base. That's a long term business view.


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