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FB Update: Watson says Clemson should have won at FSU in 2014
Oct 24, 2016, 11:07 AM
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Shoulda, coulda, woulda
Oct 24, 2016, 11:15 AM
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I don't care about what we should have, could have or would have done back in 2014.
Get it done this year.
This Saturday is what I care about.
Go Clemson!
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Re: FB Update: Watson says Clemson should have won at FSU in 2014
Oct 24, 2016, 11:35 AM
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Deshaun is correct - our defense dominated the line of scrimmage that night. Had Stoudt made that short easy throw to a wide open Leggett or if Lakip had not missed 2 field goals (including a 23 yard chip shot) that game would never have gone to overtime. Then there is the CJ Davidson fumble in the red zone with a 1:37 left, the errant snap etc...
But 2014 doesn't matter; it's all about this Saturday night - we gotta execute as a team, protect the ball, stay focused, hit hard, and play smart. If we do those things we will win.
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Stoudt = worse Clemson QB ever***
Oct 24, 2016, 11:37 AM
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Idiot^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oct 24, 2016, 11:47 AM
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Nm.
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nope, I agree . .
Oct 24, 2016, 2:08 PM
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he's the worst I can think of.
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Re: Stoudt = worse Clemson QB ever***
Oct 24, 2016, 11:59 AM
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Not the worse...a lot of guys haven't even seen the field. He looked great at times. I think it was more of the play calling. He could do some thing real well. He is also a fellow Tiger. Maybe you need to pull for a different team.
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What a monumentally stupid post
Oct 24, 2016, 12:00 PM
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Not only is it classless and low, it's also factually wrong.
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well sadly there has to be a worst in history
Oct 25, 2016, 2:40 AM
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and anytime I hear his name or someone brings him up I just think to myself " self, I sure am glad he isn't our QB anymore". Sorry if that offends you. Changethe Tampax and get over it
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Re: Stoudt = worse Clemson QB ever***
Oct 24, 2016, 12:16 PM
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"The Chad" was the reason Stoudt struggled. "The Chad" play called Stoudt as if he was Tahj Boyd. Once "The Chad" left, see Cole's bowl game performance against OK.
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Chad Morris put Cole Stoudt in that position. He wouldn't tailor the
Oct 24, 2016, 4:09 PM
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gameplan to Cole Stoudts abilities and Cole stoudt ended up being a head case on the field. Once he got in a rythym and we tailored the offense to him he was very good. Did you never find it suspicious that the one game Chad Morris wasn't the Coordinator Cole Stoudt absolutely destroyed arguably the best team we played all year? I like Chad Morris but he handled Cole Stoudt very poorly.
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Re: Chad Morris put Cole Stoudt in that position. He wouldn't tailor the
Oct 24, 2016, 4:14 PM
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Interesting observation. Of course, Stoudt had a month to freshen up and the Sooners were terrible that night. This year, DW4 is the Man, our defense is better than theirs and our special teams are much improved. I like the Tigers by a touch down. But please guys, hold on to the ball!
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Re: Chad Morris put Cole Stoudt in that position. He wouldn't tailor the
Oct 24, 2016, 5:47 PM
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How many coaches do you know who change a whole offense that has been explosive for years, for one back up QB? You can't change a whole offense that you have spent months installing because of one player. If anything you are bashing Stoudt, not making him look better
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Re: Chad Morris put Cole Stoudt in that position. He wouldn't tailor the
Oct 24, 2016, 6:34 PM
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That's a great point. +1. People keep pointing to the RA bowl as their validation that Chad Morris was the reason stoudt wasn't successful. That's a load of crap.
First of all, stoudt had a month to prepare for a dreadful Oklahoma pass defense that was ranked in the 110s. They were horrible all year. Second, other than the hopper td pass (which was by far his best throw ever and a great throw), he threw a bunch of short out routes that the receivers turned into big plays. Oklahoma was giving the out route all game long and we threw it over and over. Not exactly the toughest gameplan to execute. Take away the long runs by Scott and Williams after the catch, he would have thrown for less than 200 yards with 1 td.
Any college qb could have executed that gameplan that day. Im glad for stoudt getting to go out on a high note, but it wasn't a game for the ages like most of the people on tnet make it out to be. Stoudt just was not a good qb. Chad Morris's offense is very qb friendly and easy to learn. This notion that Chad should have scrapped an offense that was record setting at Clemson just so Cole Stoudt wouldn't be a dumpster fire is crazy. Cole just wasnt able to make good decisions, thus his ineffectiveness.
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Re: Chad Morris put Cole Stoudt in that position. He wouldn't tailor the
Oct 25, 2016, 12:20 AM
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I agree and disagree. I agree that Stoudt came to Clemson knowing what kind of system he'd be playing in. He was also 3 years deep into the system, the knowledge of the playbook was there. He just did not have the specific skill set to be as successful as Boyd or Watson was. Where I disagree is that he was a bad QB, the game against OU wasn't a great game for him as a QB, and the OU pass defense being bad. Here are some explanations....Kid had pretty good accuracy. He was exceptional with pocket presence. He lacked speed and quickness to evade heavy DL pressure. He would've started and been very successful in a more pro style format. The gameplan Scott and Elliott called for the OU game was a smart one, not at all unlike what NCSTATE recently called against us. They minimized defensive pressure by getting the ball out quickly, utilizing play action, and occasionally trying the deep ball. It's what worked, so that's what they went with. Preparation time had nothing to do with it as OU had just as much time to prepare, if not more. Lastly, OU's Defense was not and is not a juggernaut, or even above average. However, the reason why they were rated so low in pass defense is a product of playing in the B12 conference, where almost all of their teams run the Air Raid or Run and Gun offense. It's not uncommon to see a B12 QB throw it on average 58 times a game. That is the reason why. It's the same reason why B10 defenses are generally ranked high against the pass and low against the run, as it's a more run heavy conference. By no means am I saying that Stoudt was a great QB, but I AM saying that he was NOT the worst of this decade.
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Re: Chad Morris put Cole Stoudt in that position. He wouldn't tailor the
Oct 25, 2016, 12:22 AM
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Also, the Morris olaybook was ANYTHING but "easy" to learn. Took Tahj Boyd 3 years to be able to command the FULL playbook. There are statements from both Boyd and Morris to verify that statement.
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Re: Chad Morris put Cole Stoudt in that position. He wouldn't tailor the
Oct 25, 2016, 5:23 AM
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Sorry bro, but you lost me when you said he had excellent pocket presence. That and decision making were his worst attributes. When he didn't have a clean pocket where he could take 7 seconds to throw, he wigged out. Moving back, left or right. Never stepping up in the pocket. I'm not sure what you were watching.
Who would you say was a worse starting qb in the last decade? You have Boyd, Parker, harper and proctor. The only two you could make an argument for would be Harper and Proctor. At least harper had one good season, setting a school record for td passes at the time with 27. So no way he was worse than stoudt. Proctor had his moments, leading us to our last win in Tallahassee. He also had a great running game to help him, so we don't know how bad or good he really was. In my opinion, he was light years ahead of stoudt.
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Re: Chad Morris put Cole Stoudt in that position. He wouldn't tailor the
Oct 25, 2016, 6:16 AM
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Stoudt just came off as this skinny kid who was way over his head. Surrounded by too much talent to be the starting QB for that team. I wish I could go back and throw Swag in with that team, give Watson one year to sit back and watch and stay healthy. He would have took the job from Swag anyway, but I just wish I could go back in time and substitute Swag in for every game Stoudt played. I know that's not popular, but the kid could have balled with all that around him. Only time we ever saw him that season was the spring game, and his best receiver on that spring game team was 5'10.
That season, Clemson had a national championship defense. I would have taken Proctor and Harper over Stoudt that year
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Re: Chad Morris put Cole Stoudt in that position. He wouldn't tailor the
Oct 25, 2016, 6:27 AM
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Yeah it sucked to waste that defense. Too bad DW didn't get to start from the beginning and too bad he got hurt when he did get his shot. That could have been a special year.
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Re: Chad Morris put Cole Stoudt in that position. He wouldn't tailor the
Oct 25, 2016, 2:52 AM
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Doesn't make sense to me to blame a coach for a game plan and catering to a player when it had never been mentioned before. The problem was there was a player at the most important position who wasnt capable of running the offense. Coach Scott and Coach Elliot made everything so simple that game, just to get past that game of having Stoudt at QB. I was happy he went out with a win, not as happy as I was that he was going out.
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Amen, But the real credit goes to Streater***
Oct 25, 2016, 4:07 AM
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Re: Chad Morris put Cole Stoudt in that position. He wouldn't tailor the
Oct 25, 2016, 6:16 AM
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Exactly how I feel about Stoudt's RA bowl performance. That offense was so bad when stoudt was in and really decent when the freshman was in. What did he play one snap in the South Carolina game when we needed to make sure DW's leg was attached and threw a pick right to the LB'er. Two picks six's against GT. That was just bad all around.
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Re: Stoudt = worse Clemson QB ever***
Oct 24, 2016, 4:16 PM
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Really can't agree with that. Stoudt was playing in a system set up for a QB like DW4 and The Chad didn't want to change that for him. But when the offense ran things he was capable of doing in the bowl game he looked like the guy we had been hearing about all spring before the season. I'll take Stoudt over Kyle Parker to be honest.
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Re: Stoudt = worse Clemson QB ever***
Oct 24, 2016, 4:20 PM
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I saw some pretty not-so-good ones back in the '70s. And the ones in the '90s were not great.
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Re: Stoudt = worse Clemson QB ever***
Oct 24, 2016, 4:54 PM
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Against GT and FSU and 2nd half against UGA with 0 first downs, you are absolutely right. Too worried about how his hair looked after he took off his helmet, wanted to be known as the guy way too much instead of just going out and playing.
Offense basically didn't exist with 3 and out Stoudt on the field
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Re: FB Update: Watson says Clemson should have won at FSU in 2014
Oct 24, 2016, 12:37 PM
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Add in the only Td that Alexander gave up in his entire college career, when he slipped covering the FSU receiver. No slip I believe he knocks the ball away and FSU only scores 10 points in that game. Hold onto the football this year and no one can beat us. Go Tigers.
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But we didn't so 2016 is the "do over"!***
Oct 24, 2016, 11:36 AM
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Re: FB Update: Watson says Clemson should have won at FSU in 2014
Oct 24, 2016, 12:28 PM
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Here is what I like about our coaches, players and those who work with the team, Positive
Mindset! Believing you can win no matter what adversities you face. I'm believing our best football is a head of us. Starting this week! Go Tigers!!
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He's right !!!!***
Oct 24, 2016, 1:01 PM
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We used up all our turnovers in that game ...
Oct 24, 2016, 4:57 PM
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...sorry, Noles: We won't be able to give y'all any this weekend.
Hope you understand.
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