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Heisman Winner [137910]
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Religion is a tool of oppression.
Apr 19, 2013, 9:33 AM
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Muslims are currently better at it than Christians.
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All-In [34823]
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Karl Marx said: " Religion is the opiate of the masses."***
Apr 19, 2013, 9:34 AM
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Orange Blooded [4712]
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Thought Mao said that... either way***
Apr 19, 2013, 11:34 AM
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All-TigerNet [12851]
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I love God, I do not however care for his fan club
Apr 19, 2013, 9:39 AM
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Anything taught by man can and will be bastardized to suit his/her agenda.
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110%er [8142]
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God is natural, religion is man-made.
Apr 19, 2013, 12:52 PM
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Makes a lot of things easier to explain.
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Rock Defender [53]
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uh..wut?***
Apr 19, 2013, 12:54 PM
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110%er [8142]
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Problem? Not a lot of big words there.
Apr 19, 2013, 12:56 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Both are construct of man***
Apr 19, 2013, 12:58 PM
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110%er [8142]
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So you say.***
Apr 19, 2013, 12:59 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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lutz***
Apr 19, 2013, 1:00 PM
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110%er [8142]
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What, you're the ultimate authority?
Apr 19, 2013, 1:02 PM
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Somebody should have told us.
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Rock Defender [53]
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What makes your positon the default?***
Apr 19, 2013, 1:03 PM
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110%er [8142]
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Where did I suggest it was?
Apr 19, 2013, 1:07 PM
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I happen to be the only person I know who believes what I do.
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Rock Defender [53]
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You know what's more boring than you telling me about
Apr 19, 2013, 1:22 PM
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your religous beliefs?
Me arguing with you about them.
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110%er [8142]
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Sorry to have bored you.
Apr 19, 2013, 1:33 PM
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Stay away from the reply button next time.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Beleive me, I try not to.
Apr 19, 2013, 1:38 PM
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Its the arrogance that sucks me in every time.
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110%er [8142]
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Well stop being so arrogant then.***
Apr 19, 2013, 1:40 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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110%er [8142]
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Just wondering what you don't understand.
Apr 19, 2013, 1:01 PM
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Not asking you to believe.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Like I said..man came up with both of those concepts.
Apr 19, 2013, 1:02 PM
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Nothing "natural" about either one.
Just the inability to explain your surroundings. God must have done it!
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110%er [8142]
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And like I said, that's your opinion.
Apr 19, 2013, 1:05 PM
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And do you have the ability to explain your surroundings?
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Rock Defender [53]
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With some research, I'd guess a fair portion of it, yeah.
Apr 19, 2013, 1:08 PM
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But what I can't explain doesn't mean that Zeus, Allah, Vishnu or God just made it "appear".
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110%er [8142]
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I don't think you have any idea who you're talking to.
Apr 19, 2013, 1:17 PM
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Albert Einstein said that to him God was the sum total of the physical laws of the universe. That's as close as anything I've found to what I believe. We are part of that universe, and thus part of Him. Which is why we've spent so much of our time constructing belief systems to explain our existence, because, while the truth is beyond our understanding, the feeling that we're connected to something beyond ourselves won't go away.
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Rock Defender [53]
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ok..enlighten me. Who AM I talking to? Are you important?
Apr 19, 2013, 1:21 PM
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And why is any truth 'beyond our understanding"? And who has the feeling that "we're connected to something beyond ourselves"?
Maybe you need that crutch, but not everyone does. And just because you believe in something doesn't mean its true.
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110%er [8142]
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So you're actually familiar with the sum total of...
Apr 19, 2013, 1:31 PM
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... the physical laws of the universe, and there's no mystery left. More power to you.
You're talking to someone with very unconventional religious beliefs is all I meant. But as for who has a feeling we're connected to something beyond ourselves? That would be the vast majority of people I'm famlilar with.
I respect the atheist point of view, more so than the traditional Christian one, in fact. I just think you guys are missing something too.
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CU Guru [1599]
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Religion is a tool for oppression
Apr 19, 2013, 10:35 AM
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is analogous to saying a pillow is a tool for smothering people. I agree that man takes his own perverse desires for violence and hatred and tries to justify them through religion. However, these religious subsets shouldn't even be considered subsets but separate cults. I'm a little unclear of the details of the Islamic faith, but I get the impression that peace and non-violence IS a part of their creed but these terrorist use some quote/book to justify killing in the name of... Conveniently, our nation kills in the name of political defense that is separate from our nation's primary religion.
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All-TigerNet [12851]
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Look no further than the history of Catholicism
Apr 19, 2013, 10:46 AM
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as the agenda and power of the Pope ebbs and flows, so does the theology of the denomination. How many millions have died under the Catholic flag?
is Catholicism a cult?
I think the current Pope will do an excellent job by the way. He seems to be a true man of God. I hope that is the case.
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Islamist extremists
Apr 19, 2013, 10:46 AM
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go more by the words of Sayyid Qutb (20th century Islamic philosopher) than Muhammed or Allah.
Qutb justified killing of non-believers based on his own interpretations of the Koran
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Rock Defender [53]
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People who believe absurdities are more likely to commit
Apr 19, 2013, 10:43 AM
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atrocities.
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All-TigerNet [10157]
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And absurdities to me is not believing.
Apr 19, 2013, 1:16 PM
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So if an atheist does something wrong is it because they forgot to eat their soy and instead snorted glue.
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Rock Defender [53]
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I believe the sun will set the evening and rise again in the
Apr 19, 2013, 2:18 PM
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morning. Pretty tangible stuff.
How about you?
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Oculus Spirit [81897]
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You see The Book of Eli?
Apr 19, 2013, 10:45 AM
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It is amazing how religion can so easily be distorted to meet a person's agenda.
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All-TigerNet [11252]
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How about the Rastafarians?
Apr 19, 2013, 11:45 AM
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They don car mon.
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All-In [28802]
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Others would say...
Apr 19, 2013, 2:01 PM
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The state is the primary tool of oppression, while religion is a competing authority that can offer freedom from oppression. I wouldn't go so far as to say that any justification of violence through religion is a distortion of whatever religion you're talking about, but you can't just make blanket statements about "religion" being a tool of oppression without talking about what specific religions say and what particular circumstances are. Some religions give far more clear sanction violence than others, and some of those religions limit their sanction of violence better than others.
At any rate, statements like yours point to a pretty simplistic understanding of history and of the way politicsl theology differs among religions.
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All-In [31891]
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mmm hmmm***
Apr 19, 2013, 2:06 PM
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