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Orange Blooded [4947]
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So if NCST beats Miami the game today is meaningless
May 24, 2013, 11:43 AM
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and the game Sat. vs Miami is meaningless to both teams. If UNC beats NCST in the final they will both be 2-1 with UNC having the tie breaker. I guess we are playing for 40 wins but it is sad when 2 of 6 games are pointless.
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CU Medallion [61528]
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Agreed ... but that 40th win is not.
May 24, 2013, 11:44 AM
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I want three more chances this season to go to BTF at DKS!
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All-TigerNet [11024]
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The game today is not meaningless
May 24, 2013, 11:46 AM
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A victory over a top 3 team would be really big for NCAA seeding....
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All-TigerNet [13036]
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If I'm not mistaken, we were all but eliminated Wed night
May 24, 2013, 11:58 AM
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as soon as we lost to State. We have to win out now and hope that they lose both of their next two games because we will lose all tie-breakers that involve State. UNC would win a 3-way tie at 2-1 due to being the highest seed, and State would be us in a 2-way tie due to winning the head-to-head matchup.
So to have any chance now we need the following to happen:
Miami beats NCSU
Clemson beats UNC
Clemson beats Miami
UNC beats NCSU
I hate this ridiculous tournament format.
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Hall of Famer [21614]
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The format didn't cause us to lose. The rule is the same...
May 24, 2013, 12:03 PM
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win or go home.
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All-In [29036]
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No, but the format is strange
May 24, 2013, 12:10 PM
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I'm no fan of any tournament format where you are still playing games in the tournament with no chance to win the tournament.
The games are, of course, important to us. They will either solidify a hosting slot or make us sweat it out.
But the tournament format itself is far form my favorite.
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Legend [15212]
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The only positive to the format is that
May 24, 2013, 12:20 PM
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you can go ahead and choose your pitching strategy. You don't want to wear anyone out before the regionals, when the games actually mean something. It limits you to playing a maximum of 4 games, where as a double elim tournament usually requires 6 games.
Of course, you could choose as you go in the double elim tournament as to how you approach it, but just trying to think of a positive.
Overall, I doubt Leggett really cares too much about winning the ACC tournament. He's only won the thing twice.
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Hall of Famer [21614]
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I don't dislike either format. At least the "strange" format
May 24, 2013, 1:26 PM
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is in line with everyone's (coaches and pollsters) perception of the conference tournaments. Nobody cares. Conference tournaments are treated like practice games for those gearing for the big tournament.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Hall of Famer [21614]
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No. What's your point?***
May 24, 2013, 1:22 PM
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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So you have no problem with winning a tourney with a loss
May 24, 2013, 1:32 PM
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but your exact quote was "win or go home." Obviously a team with 1 loss winning a tournament wasn't "win or go home."
We can have the exact same record as 3 other teams but we are eliminated because of stupid tiebreakers.
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Hall of Famer [21614]
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If we had won, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
May 24, 2013, 1:41 PM
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Only teams that lose have to worry about it.
Not sure how tie-breakers are stupid. We lost to them. And if there is a 3 way tie then regular season wins become important again...which is good.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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If seeding is the thing, just have the top 2 play a series
May 24, 2013, 1:46 PM
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for the trophy and the rest can take the weekend off.
If you are going to decide it on the field, decide it on the field. Not kinda sorta decide it on the field.
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Hall of Famer [21614]
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Seeding is the 2nd tie-breaker so obviously its not
May 24, 2013, 2:46 PM
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just about seeding. I like that the seeding factors heavily, because the regular season should outweigh the tournament. Seeding is worthless in pool play, unless it factors into tie breaker somehow.
Again this has gotten off track. The point is, if you win, it doesn't matter. The ACC tourney is like a shortcut to getting a trophy as nearly every national tourney team is already one foot out of the door already. If they made the conference tourney only the top 6 seeds and gave the top 2 seeds byes I would be fine with that too. Hell if it was just a 3 game series of the top two teams, I would be fine with that too.
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Legend [19352]
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Re: So you have no problem with winning a tourney with a loss
May 24, 2013, 1:46 PM
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everyone is playing in the same tournament under the same rules.
We should have beat NC State so we wouldnt have to count on someone else to do it for us.
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All-TigerNet [13036]
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Maybe each game individually isn't that improbable, but
May 24, 2013, 1:34 PM
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when you start multiplying the odds, it's extremely remote. Even if you said that each game was 50-50 (which isn't the case b/c UNC will be favored over us and NCST will be favored over Miami, the odds of all of that happening would be:
.5*.5*.5*.5 = .0625 = 6.25%
In reality, it's less than 5%.
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All-Conference [434]
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No, in the case of a 3 way tie, runs allowed becomes the tie
May 24, 2013, 12:36 PM
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breaker.
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All-In [29036]
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Unless that has changed, that is not the case
May 24, 2013, 12:52 PM
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I know when the format began in 07 that seed was used as the tiebreaker in 3 way ties.
I hadn't heard that had changed
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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It hasn't. In a 3way tie the highest seed goes.***
May 24, 2013, 12:55 PM
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All-In [29036]
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Yep, just found the link
May 24, 2013, 12:58 PM
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http://www.theacc.com/championships/base-champ-game-ties.html
Three Teams Tied:
->The team with the best overall conference winning
percentage in regular season play will advance.
->The team with the best head to head conference
winning percentage among the tied teams in regular
season play, provided that all teams were common
opponents during the regular season, will advance.
->The team with the highest seed in the respective
bracket will advance.
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All-Conference [434]
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My bad. I can't remember where I had read that.***
May 24, 2013, 1:16 PM
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Wow its even worse. The #1 seed can pray for rain
May 24, 2013, 1:33 PM
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and advance.
"In the event that the 2011 ACC Baseball Championship is not played to completion, the #1 seed in the championship shall receive the NCAA Tournament automatic qualification"
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Hall of Famer [21614]
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It's not like the #1 seed won a lottery. They earned it.***
May 24, 2013, 1:42 PM
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Well this year they really didn't
May 24, 2013, 1:55 PM
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UNC got the #1 seed because
1) The BC series moved to UNC
2) They didn't finish the NCSU series.
They took the #1 seed over UVA (which beat them in the series) by percentage points, played 2 fewer games and 1 extra home series. With the unbalanced schedules, FSU gets the #1 seed by a half game and they didn't have to play UNC while NCSU played UVA, UNC, VT and GT.
The seperation in top seeds is so minimal that it shouldn't determine such a large portion of the tournament.
If you want to use seeds and a round robin have it to determine which 4 teams go on to a single elimination tournament.
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Hall of Famer [21614]
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They had the best record... they earned it.
May 24, 2013, 2:47 PM
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All other factors are a part of baseball.
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Re: Wow its even worse. The #1 seed can pray for rain
May 24, 2013, 1:48 PM
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They earned that by being the number 1 seed. I guess you also think it is unfair that the #1 seed in Basketball also get the theoretical easiest road to the Championship?
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Did they actually earn it, see above.
May 24, 2013, 1:59 PM
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Face it, no baseball tournament ever determines a champion this way where tiebreakers play such a huge role in who moves forward. I'm sure you want to just simplify it so that you can bang on the coaching staff. But this format with these tiebreakers doesn't "decide it on the field" because so few champions actually go undefeated in a tournament.
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Legend [19352]
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Re: Did they actually earn it, see above.
May 24, 2013, 2:18 PM
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Has nothing to do with banging on the coaching staff that is not what I am doing. I am simply saying stop making excuses. EVERYONE is playing under the same rules.
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CU Guru [1320]
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The format of this tourney is dumb...***
May 24, 2013, 1:05 PM
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Mascot [23]
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Re: So if NCST beats Miami the game today is meaningless
May 24, 2013, 5:51 PM
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what about wins for the ncaa tourney committee
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Mascot [23]
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what about wins for the ncaa tourney committee
May 24, 2013, 5:52 PM
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what about wins for the ncaa tourney committee
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Recruit [81]
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Re: So if NCST beats Miami the game today is meaningless
May 24, 2013, 6:22 PM
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no game is pointless
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All-TigerNet [14451]
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Re: So if NCST beats Miami the game today is meaningless
May 24, 2013, 6:30 PM
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it is also meaningless to unc.
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