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Since when is Clemson baseball satisfied with such...

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 8:36 PM
 

mediocrity? We have played 9 games vs. ranked opponents,
4 were at home (3 vs. UVA and 1 vs. SC) 1 was neutral vs SC in Greenville and 4 away. We only won 4 of 9. That's less than half. Are you kidding me?

I'm not satisfied at all.

We are letting programs like NC St and UVA walk past us while we sit idle making excuses.

When i was younger "next year" was a saying we always heard our opponents say, now we say it in every sport.

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Re: Since when is Clemson baseball satisfied with such...

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 8:43 PM
 

Ask Jack!


I remember when we considered a consistent national

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 8:44 PM
 

power


Now, we're just consistently inconsistent***

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 8:49 PM
 




Re: I will just say


Posted: Mar 17, 2013 8:51 PM
 

with the sorry hoops we've had foisted on us for years apparently we'll accept anything

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Re: Since when is Clemson baseball satisfied with such...

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 9:05 PM
 

Sounds like some are finally coming around and seeing the light. Clemson is now no longer considered an elite program and that sucks


UVA invested in baseball big time and it's paying off***


Posted: Mar 17, 2013 9:41 PM
 



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Re: UVA invested in baseball big time and it's paying off***


Posted: Mar 17, 2013 9:49 PM
 

They also have a head coach who is a great recruiter. Its not all in facilities. I do agree that the DK project needs to be addressed and quickly.


Re:They, also, have two experienced assistants in Kerl


Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:06 PM
 

Kuhn & Kevin McMullan. Brian O'Connor has it going in the right direction.


Re And has got a lot of those wins against Jack Leggett.***

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:11 PM
 




How is nc state walking past us when we went to their


Posted: Mar 17, 2013 9:46 PM
 

stadium and took 2 of 3? I would love to hear that explanation


Re: Since when is Clemson baseball satisfied with such...

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 9:55 PM
 

We beat NC State at NC State - argument invalid. Virginia decided if they were going to play baseball they weren't going to screw around and invested nearly $40 million.

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Great coach and they're the only bball team in the region***


Posted: Mar 17, 2013 9:57 PM
 



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Re: Great coach and they're the only bball team in the region***

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:03 PM
 

So we should just expect to be second rate because we have other schools that play baseball in our "region". I don't buy it.

40 MILLION????????? for the upgrades to Davenport field. Try 4.5 million. #### scar's stadium didn't even cost 40 million. This is what bothers me about certain fans that are now making up excuses as to why we have fallen so low. Excuses that are not even close to accurate



COMPLETED: August 2010
Davenport Field Expansion
Cost: $4.5 million
Details: Davenport Field, dedicated in 2002, was expanded recently to seat 5,074 and provide training and practice facilities (climate-controlled batting cages), an expanded clubhouse, team and visiting lockers and a Hall of Fame.


What do you mean by fallen so low?


Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:11 PM
 

The guy above says he remembers when we were considered consistent national contender. What did we do nationally?
We were once an ACC power.

Are you guys looking to go undefeated, like Clemson used to do in baseball? When the ACC had no baseball teams.
Are we not winning CWS games like we used to?

I'm all about being good, and winning. We can be better, but to act like Clemson baseball has fallen so low is a bit overboard.


Re:You have to admit that it has fallen in last few years.***


Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:13 PM
 




Re:You have to admit that it has fallen in last few years.***


Posted: Mar 18, 2013 10:41 AM
 

I think it is also fair to say this team has the potential to start Clemson back on the rise. We were a bad team the last two years and this team has already shown the ability to surpass those teams. No one is saying we are back on top but it is good to see progress instead of regression like basketball.

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:21 PM
 

I got my numbers mixed up and was admittedly rounding up. But South Carolina did spend nearly $40 million, UNC spent $25.5 million on their stadium. FSU spent $14 million. I can't find the numbers for UVA again - but it was more than $4.5 total. But you can continue to bash the proven, nationally recognized coach and put your head in the sand about falling behind in facilities. Clemson has coasted on the accomplishments of Wilhelm and Leggett and it is disgusting to watch fans turn on one of the best coaches we've had at any sports - and by proxy you're turning to the teams through your attitude whether you intend to or not. It is obvious that you have some personal issue with the man but try to dress it up as though you're being objective.

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Re:Thanks for bringing the facilities issue out early. Why

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:24 PM
 

not cut to the real problem?


Re: Great coach and they're the only bball team in the region***

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:29 PM
 

Viztiz,

You were just proven wrong. You made some garbage up and got caught. UVA spent 4.5 million on their upgrade. I just copied and pasted it into the thread. That 4.5 million isn't the reason we are now officially their #######

What accomplishments by Leggett? 2 ACC titles in 20 years. Slow freaking clap. Call it whatever you want to. I have never held any loyalty towards Leggett. Bill - yes Jack -#### no

My personal issue involves his wrecking of a once proud program built up by a man who would have NEVER turned the keys over to this.


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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:37 PM
 

And this is where you go off the rails - pretending a man who has firmly held Wilhelm's ground has "wrecked" the program. When the actual wins and losses don't support your argument it becomes about winning the tournament. Here's the problem with that - Jack, our coach, has made it clear that Omaha, not the ACC tourney is the goal. It affects the approach. You're free to criticize him for that, even hate him for it. But to act like he's "wrecked" the program while he continues to offer just about any recruit who has ever signed with him a chance to go to Omaha if they stay four years is ridiculous.

And $4.5 isn't the total cost. They've had 3 renovations in the last few years. They've spent considerably more money into it than we have. It matters.

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Re: Great coach and they're the only bball team in the region***

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:44 PM
 

Im sorry....still stuck on this imaginary 40 million dollars you made up regarding this UVA program. The renovation you are referring to occurred in 2010. It was 4.5 million dollars completed. The other renovations you are referring to are

2005- left field fence moved in (little to no money)
2006- a video board was put up

That is it. You made some garbage up and got caught. Feel free to prove this wrong.


Re: Great coach and they're the only bball team in the region***


Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:51 PM
 

I admitted it was a mistake. honestly not sure know what I saw to come up with that number. I had done a long post recently about stadium cost at Oregon State, Fresno State, UNC, FSU and UVa. I'd think someone who got busted not understanding the DH rule but pretending to be a baseball expert would be more forgiving of a mistake.

nice job dodging the other points.

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Re: Admit ir. It sounded good and you used it.***

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 11:07 PM
 




Re "it"***


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Re: Great coach and they're the only bball team in the region***


Posted: Mar 17, 2013 11:25 PM
 

Okay -

Davenport Field built in 2002 for $5 million - source college baseball daily.
$4.5 million renovation in 2010
$1 renovation in 2012 - http://www.nbc29.com/story/18972172/davenport-field
Currently funding a $14.5 million dollar project. - look at UVA sports page if you care.

While I was incorrect in my first post - $25 million in facilities (this has nothing to do with program budget) is a heck of a lot more than I can find any evidence of Clemson spending.

So, not quite as cut and dried as you say

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Re: John Grisham is a baseball nut can afford it. Heck

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 11:40 PM
 

UVA has a monied alumni but they have not done it in football. RECRUITING
and COACHING still gets it done.


Re:The new AD needs to get these coaches on the same

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:50 PM
 

page: Dabo says the ACC championship is his primary consideration. I think it is an excuse, used by both to cover up what they can not do or have not done.


Re: Great coach and they're the only bball team in the region***


Posted: Mar 18, 2013 7:25 AM
 

He hasnt firmly held Wilhelms ground....

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Posted: Mar 18, 2013 10:58 AM
 

I counter that their win percentages are nearly identical. As for ACC championships, Wilhelm dealt with a smaller league,, frequently enjoyed home field advantagein the tournamnet, and was even awarded regular season championships during his tenure.

In that regard how is that not holding ground. Jack's stated goal is Omaha. He makes Omaha at a more frequent clip than Wilhelm did. Making the tournament might be easier now than it was then, but making it to Omaha is certainly not easier.

Is the losing ground measured purely in ACC championships? If that is all that matters to you then I'm sure you'll continue to be disappointed. But Jack is not alone in playing the conference tournaments with an eye on the regionals.


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4.5 is the latest renovation


Posted: Mar 18, 2013 10:34 AM
 

Davenport Field was completely razed and rebuilt around 2000. I'm not sure what the final cost was, but it was significantly more than 4 million.

But the bigger thing with UVA is the money they've spent on assitants. They have one of the top staffs in the country. We had to hire a Division 2 pitching coach and rely on volunteer assistants.


Re: William & Mary beat us too.***

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:08 PM
 




Re: William & Mary beat us too.***


Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:12 PM
 

So now the mid week games are what matter? Funny how you disregard the fact that I pointed out Jack wins those games at rate equal to Wilhelm.

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Re:BS, Jack Leg can't beat Winthrop, Coastal an Western.***

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Re: William & Mary beat us too.***

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:19 PM
 

ALL GAMES MATTER

Good lawd man. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME.

And for the second time BILL BUILT THIS PROGRAM AND HE WON TITLES. To compare Jack to Bill is a disgrace.


Re: William & Mary beat us too.***


Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:22 PM
 

Good lord man - .683 overall winning percentage at Clemson. The exact same percentage a Wilhelm. a man whose legacy you claim Leggett is disgracing.

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Re: William & Mary beat us too.***

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:33 PM
 

done with it. You know the difference between Bill and Jack.

1. Bill built it and put trophies in the case
2. Jack slowly destroyed it and we got rid of the trophy case

Its just that simple. Done explaining it to you.


Re: William & Mary beat us too.***


Posted: Mar 18, 2013 10:56 AM
 

You really can't believe the crap you are spewing


Re: With hlS EXPERIENCE AND KNOW HOW, he should not be

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:25 PM
 

losing as many as he is.


Re: With hlS EXPERIENCE AND KNOW HOW, he should not be

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Posted: Mar 17, 2013 10:31 PM
 

The baseball team has slipped. And we are watching other schools fly right past us. We use to own UVA in baseball, not anymore. It does always seem like excuses. Time to invest more into this program!!


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