Should we kick Wake Forest out of the ACC?

Just putting this out there. Everybody's always looking to add members, sometimes you need to do addition by subtraction.

IMHO, Wake adds absolutely nothing to the ACC, and won't pull their weight, ever. They're a lower-tier mid-major program getting paid to take up space. They add absolutely nothing in football terms, they aren't even much of a basketball power anymore - how long has it been since guys like Tim Duncan played there? - and they also add the very smallest enrollment - just 7,591, and they're a private school to boot. They're also are sitting smack-dab in what's an already saturated media market...the ACC already rules Tobacco Road, with the Research Triangle schools all but sharing a zip code with Wake.

Without the ACC propping Wake Forest up; they'll fall to the Sun Belt or even FCS in record time. That's their actual level. They're also standing in the way of some vastly bigger programs that have way more upside. Jettison Wake and you could add UCF or USF - both with enrollments of 60,000+, both in the heart of Florida. They'll be major players one day. You could go north and ###### up somebody like West Virginia from the Big 12, where they've never really belonged. Or you could even target Penn State, who has never fit well into the Big 10. Happy Valley seats 100K; the Nittany Lions were a power once and will be again someday; they're too big not to.

That would ALSO allow you to divide up into true North and South divisions in the ACC, with everybody from North Carolina down in the South, and everybody from Virgina up in the North. Travel would be drastically reduced; regional rivalries would happen again.

Just a thought. But I really don't understand why we're carrying Wake anymore. They might have made sense...in 1960. But in the modern ACC, they really don't belong.

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Aug 18, 2016, 11:57 PM

by the way was the last year the Generals of Washington & Lee won the Southern Conference.

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Shortly after a number of football players were found to have cheated on a test in order to maintain their eligibility. As a result and immediately following, Washington & Lee did what any school would do and ended their D1 program forever. Academics far out-weighed something as waggish as scholarship football - Tru Story.

I'd seen BC's numbers as well. After growing the ACC[Cuse, UofL...] & GOR a lot of these programs seemed to become more commonplace. I imagine the conversation you suggest might take place has already done so, certainly before Clemson et al. signed their rights away. In other words, much of what we're seeing in Capital Expenditures, Sports & all[ACC isn't just a Sport's Conference] were a result of those heart to hearts during those trying times and what each school needed to do in order to better their offering and therefore the ACC's overall. I'd say those were needed conversations before tethering themselves to each other for this extended duration. They're married and if they're going to be married, they all wanted to get laid. Can you blame them? I know I would and really, that's just good business.

So for me, the conference renewed their vows, new members & old, then consummated shortly after.

And who among us doesn't like lessons? Another great lesson is honoring your word, which would mean the ACC stand by a charter member as long as that charter member contributes their share. Much of BC's numbers - The recreational center, a 240,000 square-foot facility that will replace the Flynn Recreation Complex and be located at the site of Edmonds Hall on Thomas More Drive, will benefit all BC students, faculty and staff. Wake's numbers easily meet BC's, remembering BC is twice the size of Wake not even bringing in the disparity of costs between Boston & Winston Salem.

Hidden in the first $325,000,000.00 Wake spent are improvements to the sports infrastructure as well with Haddock House, Diane Dailey Learning Center, Sutton Center, the Health & Exercise Science Center, renos to their Ballpark, to their Track & Field, Indoor Football Practice Facility and only the early beginnings of the complete redo of Reynolds Gym.

And just for kicks, Bob McCreary, the kind gentlemen Wake Forest named the new 80,000 sq. foot Indoor Practice facility in honor of donated $12.5 million alone so maybe he wants to put together a team and play Siena?

Wake's All-In; I don't see it any other way until Wake & Wake alone decides they want to cash out. And if that time comes, I'll reassess my love for a great game, a collegiate game, but it won't be that change alone as too many have come and gone. It just might be the final one that pushes me away.

And no, I don't expect anyone to see the world as I do, but I promise you the view from my perch is 2nd to none - just ask me.

Be well, Tangled.

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Re: Should we kick Wake Forest out of the ACC?

Probably not considering they were 2-16 in the ACC last year

Without thinking about it too deeply...

Which school went 0-for in football & basketball last year?

They won a few games in basketball.*****

I was talking about BC, but thanks for playing.

Cool bud, but you are on a topic about Wake. *****

Actually, the topic was Wake's performance and ...

Fair enough*****

but that hockey team though***

Boston media market

Re: Boston media market

I am wondering if NCState is worth it

NCSt has been on NCAA probation a bunch....

Re: Should we kick Wake Forest out of the ACC?

The real problem is not kicking someone out at the

They sure aren't standing with us against this 9 game ACC

Who is everybody?

Re: Should we kick Wake Forest out of the ACC?

Re: Should we kick Wake Forest out of the ACC?

But the Gamecocks are on par academically?

Re: But the Gamecocks are on par academically?

No. Like tinker® mentioned, they stood by us (along with

Cuse is good for basketball and the ACC over the long haul.

Mmm hmm. A couple more of my favorites:

Uh, oh ... You used THE phrase ...***

Just when I don't think you can use more words....

for us old farts, it doesn't seem like its been too long

Re: for us old farts, it doesn't seem like its been too long

LOL....I still laugh when I remember

So, Wake Forest Mascots were transgendered before it became

They were close to State not Chapel Hill***

Re: They were close to State not Chapel Hill***

Re: for us old farts, it doesn't seem like its been too long

No, but we should consider buying them out.

Re: No, but we should consider buying them out.

That's impressive what they're investing for their students.***

It's a good thing football players are students first, unless

No doubt. It's just that in a way this reaffirms the

They don't need to be Clemson, they need to be ~Duke now,

Tangled up in blue.

Yes and FSCW was an all girls school until ~1950, which

Re: Yes and FSCW was an all girls school until ~1950, which

Stop making so much sense!

Haha, Aruba might be calling, but I don't expect Crump

I hope when we are down the other teams don't want to kick

They stuck up for us, they are gold for life.***

But Demon Deacons though ...

Deacons recently won an ACC FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

No! Tired of hearing this!

Re: No! Tired of hearing this!

Re: No! Tired of hearing this!

Wake Deserves our RESPECT!

sometimes I want to throw up

Re: Should we kick Wake Forest out of the ACC?

Re: Should we kick Wake Forest out of the ACC?

No! I've said it before...

No. Again, no founding member of the ACC is getting booted.***

Nope***

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