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Oculus Spirit [90819]
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Should Dabo have had his & team’s social & racial protest under the BLM banner?
Jun 24, 2020, 9:26 AM
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The two founders admit they are Marxists, don’t deny that they are political progressives & for social disruption..while one is gay.
Saying, having our football team & coaches stand up for social justice & equality is ONE MATTER..
but doing it under the banner of BLM is questionable.
Not sure if it was an approved or directive BLM protest & march but their logo was on majority shirts being worn..and an article days ahead had one of the two founders mentioning her group’s involvement & sanction of protest in Clemson.
Dabo did use the term BLM.
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Oculus Spirit [78884]
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was there a banner?
Jun 24, 2020, 9:30 AM
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I didn't see a banner
Was it sanctioned by BLM? I thought it was a rally created by football players. Are the football players BLM members?
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Re: Should Dabo have had his & team’s social & racial protest under the BLM banner?
Jun 24, 2020, 9:30 AM
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Re: Should Dabo have had his & team’s social & racial protest under the BLM banner?
Jun 24, 2020, 9:48 AM
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if I do not get more TU's for this, I am going to be really disappointed. I laughed so hard when I saw this gif and thought it was super appropriate.
Please dont let this fall flat.
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I had this in my sig back in the day but the mods
Jun 24, 2020, 9:48 AM
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made me remove it. I'll never NOT upvote that GIF
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I ALWAYS think of LBB doing this before
Jun 24, 2020, 9:50 AM
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every single post
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Re: I ALWAYS think of Tigermanac doing this before
Jun 24, 2020, 3:41 PM
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every single post...
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On a scale of 1 to 17, how unacceptable is being gay?***
Jun 24, 2020, 9:33 AM
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Coot - You wold like Clemson to fire Dabo. Admit it!
Jun 24, 2020, 9:44 AM
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Good grief .....
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All-In [34582]
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Yes, if you aspire to Marxism***
Jun 24, 2020, 9:49 AM
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Are you saying Dabo is coming out?***
Jun 24, 2020, 10:00 AM
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At one point in time it was the hippies. The anti-war
Jun 24, 2020, 10:07 AM
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protesters. It was later environmentalists. It was occupy Wall Street. It is now BLM. The one common theme from all the movements is Marxism and/or anti-capitalism. That is the "cause", and they will hijack or co-opt any disruptive social movement they can to attack capitalism. And to an extent, they have a point. Capitalism thrives on inequality, and awards more for more and punishes for less. Much the same way a football team thrives based on exploiting inequality. Players practice. Whoever is best, starts and plays the most. Whoever is best, then goes on to the NFL. But overall the answer is very clear, allowing the best to thrive, and each to thrive to the extent they can, in whatever they do, elevates the whole, overall. Equality has to be forced, and/or coerced. It is not a natural state. It's not survival and thriving of the fittest, but it creates, on the whole, a less productive society.
But capitalism has its problems too. A nation can get top heavy, where those who achieve exploit those who don't instead of elevating them. At some point, unchecked, both capitalists and Marxist nations will fall. And this is the beauty of our Constitution. It's also the beauty of Dabo Swinney. Although he rewards the best, he rotates more players than almost any other coach. He puts a walk-on on the field to make the greatest catch in Clemson history. He truly strives to make the best out of everyone, even though everyone isn't an equal football player, everyone can be their best if given the opportunity. In anything in life really. I honestly think the difference with Dabo is two things. First, the character of who we recruit. Second, how he uses the lesser talent on the team to beat teams with superior talent. If that person making $10/hr flipping burgers can never become CEO of the company, the company doesn't have a chance. Also, if the company doesn't elevate those who should be elevated, they won't survive. So even capitalism doesn't truly work if it operates unchecked.
The US is top-heavy now in capitalism. It has run unchecked. The pandemic has just amplified problems we've had for decades. It's because we've not had a Dabo Swinney in the White House for a very, very long time. Our political system mirrors our finances. It's top heavy as well. It doesn't elevate the lesser leaders, and rewards the most powerful with tenure and seniority in running the legislature. Over time you get a broken system, and not the one envisioned by our founders, but one they feared and tried mightily to avoid.
Just my perspective.
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Re: At one point in time it was the hippies. The anti-war
Jun 24, 2020, 12:29 PM
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The US is founded upon on a meritocracy based on liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Capitalism is a result of freedom and liberty. The system can be called anything, but the basic principle of freedom cannot be changed.
If you want that changed, you need to move to another country instead of thinking about changing the fundamental premise on which the USA is founded.
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Re: At one point in time it was the hippies. The anti-war
Jun 24, 2020, 12:34 PM
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Oculus Spirit [97716]
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geez... "Capitalism thrives on inequality"... ###?
Jun 24, 2020, 12:40 PM
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I have an Econ degree from Clemson, an MBA from a very reputable school, and have sat in C-level positions for the last 20 years.
AND YET I have never heard anyone ever suggest that the point of Capitalism or of the Capital enterprise with which I was working, should somehow be to attempt to create "INEQUALITY". That is LOL ridiculous.
STOP WATCHING THE F*CKING NEWS.
IF Inequality is somehow created, such as with Twitter trying to manage content, we are supposed to have an Anti-Trust Government cause that is supposed to stop such things. Uhhhh, remember the AT&T split?
If you want less power of Business in your life, then call the Commerce Department or the Judicial Department.
What's funny is that the Democrats decried the Deregulation of Reagan back in the 1980's, but now that they've got control of key communications tools such as Amazon, Twitter, Youtube, and Facebook, the Democrats simply want to exert their influence as hard as they can.
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Re: At one point in time it was the hippies. The anti-war
Jun 24, 2020, 12:54 PM
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That is flawless, imo. We have never been and will never be perfect. The best we can do it be the best, which we are. Tweeks are ok but the last thing the world needs is to lose the defender of freedom, the tower of equal rights and the breadbasket of the world to a socialist agenda no matter how good it sounds.
Imo, it's not what we'd get if we continue on the road to socialism it's what we lose, America.
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I take issue with some of your points.
Jun 24, 2020, 2:30 PM
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"If that person making $10/hr flipping burgers can never become CEO of the company, the company doesn't have a chance."
This is demonstrably false. I offer as proof, virtually every successful fast food chain in the history of the world. I THINK what you are saying that the guy flipping burgers should have a venue for advancement...a management training program, for example. That does seem prudent. But what you actually wrote is a pet peeve of mine, because I hear the mindset often these days, and it is absolute poison. "Look at that guy in his mansion...the system won't let me get what he has...why even try?" Garbage. The answer, of course, is that you don't try so you can live in the mansion. You try so you can live in the better neighborhood, or so your kid can go to a better school, or any school. You try so you advance your position in life.
"Also, if the company doesn't elevate those who should be elevated, they won't survive. So even capitalism doesn't truly work if it operates unchecked."
These sentences are virtually contradictory. Yes, if you don't invest in the people who deserve your investment, you'll not survive as a company. That IS capitalism. That IS the free market. You run your organization well, you survive. You don't...by not managing talent properly, and you're gone.
He puts a walk-on on the field to make the greatest catch in Clemson history.
Former walk-on second-year Scholarship player and starter. Dabo invests in his players throughout the season to have the deepest bench so that his total team is more prepared for the playoffs. But he had the most dependable guy on the field to make that play.
First, the character of who we recruit.
This aligns well to our national issues. It's a well-worn concept that a free republic succeeds or fails on the character of its citizens. If the citizens in general lack character, they exploit freedoms or demand restrictions toward their own aims. If citizens have character, they acknowledge that with freedoms come the occasional risk, or lack of comfort, or a decision not going their way, or ideas they don't like.
The US is top-heavy now in capitalism.
This is only a problem when envy makes it so. In my opinion, technology and globalization have lead to many ENORMOUS "haves" in the world. An idea, properly executed, can have worldwide impact immediately, to huge financial gain (like social media, or Amazon, etc). But I have no problem with Bezos or Zuckerburg being ultra wealthy. The question is whether or not the country as a whole continues to rise in quality of life, and it does. And this goes back to the question of character. We can either say "That's not fair, you have too much money" and start instituting wealth taxes like Sanders and Warren like...sapping the ultrawealthy of their ultrawealth. Or we acknowledge that they earned their money by coming up with something the world apparently demanded. Of course, then people like Buffet and Gates donate half their fortune to charities.
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No biggee. At the moment, it is impossible to agree that
Jun 24, 2020, 10:10 AM
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Black Lives Matter, while at the same time distancing yourself from the parts of the BLM movement that you don't agree with...
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That is by design***
Jun 24, 2020, 12:53 PM
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Oculus Spirit [90819]
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^ Yep..BLM is a symbol for what is true & is right BUT as an organization
Jun 24, 2020, 1:32 PM
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they are so flawed in so many ways!
Why..Peoples and their various personal & political agendas beyond the original cause.
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