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Commissioner [939]
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Recruiting
Jan 15, 2013, 10:09 AM
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I know and appreciate the excitment around the first Wednesday in February, BUT, does anyone remember Billy Luckie? ANYONE??? #1 rated QB in the country from FL and SOMEHOW he ends up at Tommy West's Clemson...How many games did he start, win, number of championships?!? Recruiting is a crap shoot...Always has been, always will be...As long as we have coaches that know HOW to coach, we can get 25 1 or 2 stars and still win...Catanzaro was a WALK-ON!!!
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Legend [19610]
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Untrue. I f we signed 25 one or two stars, we would not win
Jan 15, 2013, 10:11 AM
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And if we signed 25 four and five stars, we would win the majority of our games.
Stars aren't exact, but percentage wise, they do matter.
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All-TigerNet [10360]
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you couldn't be more wrong.......
Jan 15, 2013, 10:18 AM
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trust me....no matter how GREAT and powerful you think dabo is you DO NOT want to see him coach a team with 1/2star players we would get embarassed A LOT!!!!!
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Orange Blooded [2680]
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Re: you couldn't be more wrong.......
Jan 15, 2013, 11:56 AM
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Well, any coaching staff I know would get embarrassed a lot with only 1 & 2 star players.
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CU Medallion [58411]
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If recruiting is a crap shoot, then somebody needs to get
Jan 15, 2013, 10:22 AM
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word to our coaches so they can just roll the dice instead of wasting so much time and resources evaluating and pursuing particular recruits.
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All-TigerNet [10360]
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or just tell them to back off of adams and lawson..........
Jan 15, 2013, 10:23 AM
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and get some 2stars to "coach up"
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CU Medallion [58411]
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Or even better, just field a team made up entirely of
Jan 15, 2013, 10:39 AM
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walk-ons. They would really appreciate the opportunity.
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Orange Blooded [2550]
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I remember Billy Lucky . . .
Jan 15, 2013, 10:27 AM
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and don't believe that he was anywhere near the number one QB in the country coming out of high school.
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All-In [27374]
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Re: I remember Billy Lucky . . .
Jan 15, 2013, 10:34 AM
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Did he ever enroll at Clemson?
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Re: I remember Billy Lucky . . .
Jan 15, 2013, 10:38 AM
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Yes, and he had some success. I remember he started a game when the starting qb was injured and had a very good game. He was also recruited by Alabama. He was a highly recruited qb, but I agree with Surf Cat, he was definitely not the #1 qb prospect in the country.
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Team Captain [450]
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He definitely enrolled and was there for a couple years. He
Jan 15, 2013, 10:43 AM
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was the number 1 QB in Florida not the country. Highly touted kid. He smoked too much waky tabaky. I used to hang out with him in Mauldin Dorm back in 1996.
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CU Medallion [58411]
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He wasn't the #1 rated QB in the country, I'm pretty sure,
Jan 15, 2013, 11:03 AM
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but he was highly rated and probably would have been a 4 or maybe even 5-star recruit in today's world. It proves nothing either way though, except that highly rated recruits often don't pan out, and nobody disputes that.
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Legend [16506]
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If I am trying to roll high numbers, don't give me dice with
Jan 15, 2013, 10:29 AM
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only 1s and 2s on them.
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Athletic Dir [887]
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I am thinking about getting 25 people together
Jan 15, 2013, 10:37 AM
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blindfolding them and then have them sprint back and forth across I-85 until only one is left. At that point I am going to claim that it is perfectly safe to run across I-85 blindfolded because I offer up one example of an individual that did it successfully despite the fact that the other 24 got flattened by an 18 wheeler.
Seems like that would be a reasonable argument to make, right OP?
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Scout Team [183]
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Then you would be
Jan 15, 2013, 10:38 AM
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Duke football.
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Re: Recruiting
Jan 15, 2013, 10:40 AM
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Gene Chizik sure had some good classes at Auburn...Talent helps a lot but you have to be able to coach too.
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Team Captain [450]
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Bad example...Chizik won a title***
Jan 15, 2013, 10:45 AM
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CU Guru [1845]
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Re: Bad example...Chizik won a title***
Jan 15, 2013, 10:48 AM
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What happened when his best player and coach left? He couldn't win
I could've won with Malzahn and Cam Newton. There's a reason he was known as "5-19 Gene" at Iowa State. Iowa State is a decent program now and he couldn't even win there.
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110%er [8008]
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I don't completely agree.
Jan 15, 2013, 10:46 AM
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You always want to sign the highest rated player you can. Not all will pan out, but the odds are in your favor.
On the other hand, lower rated players can and often do out perform their 4 star counterparts.
Try to sign the best player possible, but don't overlook the others.
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110%er [9028]
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I am ALL IN!!!!!
Jan 15, 2013, 11:27 AM
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I am old but I still have all 4 years of eligibility. If all it takes is good coaching, then put me in coach, I'm ready to play!
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All-TigerNet [13888]
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Billy Luckie was #13 on the field. Everyone loved him
Jan 15, 2013, 11:35 AM
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but the word was, he couldnt learn the playbook.
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Orange Blooded [2441]
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Didn't Brandon Streeter beat him out?
Jan 15, 2013, 12:03 PM
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And Luckie was nowhere near the #1 QB recruit in the country.
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Connoisseur [369]
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Re: Recruiting
Jan 15, 2013, 12:19 PM
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As everyone above mentioned, you have a better chance at being an elite football team if you consistently sign classes filled with 4 and 5 star players. It really is simple statistics. You cannot apply that rule to the individual player, who may become a playmaker and outperform his recruiting ranking. But overall, you can make the general statement that a team full of 4-and-5 star players will be better than a team full of 1-and-2 star players.
These type of responses are so common, to pick out one or two instances where a 2 star player shine and a 5-star player does not. But the argument does not hold up over a large sample size.
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