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Oculus Spirit [93609]
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RBG admitted to the hospital.
Nov 8, 2018, 9:15 AM
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Oh no.
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Re: RBG admitted to the hospital.
Nov 8, 2018, 9:19 AM
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She fell and fractured 3 ribs.
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Re: RBG admitted to the hospital.
Nov 8, 2018, 9:21 AM
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just put her brain in a jar of formaldehyde with a pair of googly eyes stuck on it and it will still be a better judge than what the conservatives bring to the senate floor.
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Re: RBG admitted to the hospital.***
Nov 8, 2018, 9:35 AM
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The looney get loonier.***
Nov 8, 2018, 9:33 AM
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Re: Hope she's ok.
Nov 8, 2018, 9:41 AM
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Republicans won the senate, therefor it needs to be eliminated.
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smh
Nov 8, 2018, 9:49 AM
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It's an opinion piece from before the 2016 election. The guy even contributes to the Washington Examiner. He's actually a historian who has interesting stuff on congress.
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Re: smh
Nov 8, 2018, 9:57 AM
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No need to read beyond the title. The mere suggestion of altering the checks and balances that control the branches of govt is stupid and unconstitutional. This is just another "stop Trump" mind game.
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Re: smh
Nov 8, 2018, 10:04 AM
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How is this a stop Trump mind game when it was written before Trump was elected? Besides, there are some good points in there about how weak and ineffective congress has become as a check on the presidency. Don't think the solution is to get rid of the Senate but congress as a whole growing a spine would be nice.
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The fallacy is that this strengthens Congress. It will not.
Nov 8, 2018, 10:26 AM
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Congress has long ago ceded their strength to the executive on just about any hot button issue. I've cited immigration. You can tack on drug laws if you like. How about Obamacare? Obama had almost complete control of it's implementation. It was doomed to fail, so they let the President take the heat by letting the President basically run it as he sees fit.
Congress is MORE than happy to punt to the executive on issues that a strong stance and legislation could result in losing reelection. Add to that they're literally out of money to buy more votes, and they're more powerless today than ever. Less functional than ever as well.
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It's not about checks and balances
Nov 8, 2018, 10:22 AM
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You can have all the checks and balances you want in Washington. When you take the power of the states out of the equation, ....just sit back and see where that leads.
The whole philosophical principle for the creation and existence of the Senate was to PREVENT Congress from having a truly popular vote. Same for the electoral college. You remove the populism from the legislation and let it stand on its own among the 50 states, not the people directly. You see a lot of extreme legislation proposed in, and sometimes coming out of the House. You rarely see it escape the Senate. That's by design.
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Came here to post this.
Nov 8, 2018, 10:24 AM
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Abolish the 17th amendment
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He's spot on on the 17th Amendment.
Nov 8, 2018, 10:14 AM
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I often overlook that on my list of things that have attacked our REPUBLIC. All of this has been going on a long time. And it's a very slow, but methodical process. Nothing ever happens that supports or strengthens the REPUBLIC. Everything that has been accomplished has been geared toward weakening states rights, state power, and increasing federal powers, control, and authority.
We also have a massive ignorance about democracy. Do away with the Senate, do away with the electoral college, and we fall. Plain and simple. If we go to truly popular elections, we will NOT survive. Promise.
It's just a constant headwind.......and the direction of that headwind never changes.
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Democracy=mob rule
Nov 8, 2018, 11:16 AM
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Get rid of the 17th amendment. It's a shame people are being taught our government is a democracy.
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So that was two years ago...am I just blind to it?
Nov 8, 2018, 9:48 AM
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Is Trump really overreaching?
Obama has a reputation around Conservatives for making drastic policy by EO. Does Trump have the same reputation?
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Re: So that was two years ago...am I just blind to it?
Nov 8, 2018, 9:53 AM
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The modern presidency has a pattern of increasing executive power. It's just natural to want to expand your reach. A good example of how Congress doesn't do it's job is when the Supreme Court ruled that W. couldn't be blamed for overstepping his war powers if Congress never attempted to rein him in.
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The funniest thing about this is...
Nov 8, 2018, 11:35 AM
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that today's left believed they are the first generation to think of it. Confounding as it is the decision to get rid of the senate is in the hands of the states. That's considering that the senate will never go along with putting itself our of a job.
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Most people today see things in 24-hour news cycles
Nov 8, 2018, 12:00 PM
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and think it's totally unique, and/or has never happened before. I blame a horrific (almost to the extent it must be on purpose) lack of history education. Like The Hill article on the rural/urban divide in America. Like that's ####### new or something.
In all fairness, in my example the very old argument associated with the 1911 House bill proposal was over a slightly different issue. See, again you have to GO BACK and study the issue AT THAT TIME IN THE PAST. This bill proposed in 1911 to abolish the senate was similar, but different than the contemporary argument. Back in 1911, in the years leading up to the 17th Amendment, the issue with the Senate was that the Senators were appointed by state legislatures, and not elected by a popular vote. The specific problem that led to the 17th Amendment was that before its passage, Senators were appointed by state legislatures. There was no vote. The thinking was if the state elected its own representatives, they would adequately represent the interests of the state. Well, anyone who knows how SC's own legislature works, knows that state legislatures are prone to graph and corruption and the process for sitting a Senator was often as shady and corrupt as the state legislature. The main purpose of the 17th Amendment was to end corruption in the appointment of Senators. Not to attack the body itself, OR dilute the equality of state power the Senate enshrined in the legislative branch. Popular votes in each state would select Senators instead of appointments. BUT, the important thing is the Senate retained it's structure and function otherwise. Each of the 50 states still had two senators, and equal representation despite some states having little wealth or low populations and others having more wealth and higher populations. THAT WAS KEY.
Flash forward to today. Corruption is not the issue anymore. Today the issue with the Senate is that 50 states with equal representation in that body means the Senate does not accurately reflect the popular vote, overall, in the country. You can have 15 states vote yea on a bill in the senate and have a majority of Americans (comprised from those 15 states) marked down as a yea vote. But the vote nay votes from the 35 other states, which represent a minority of the population, will stop the bill from becoming law.
The 17th Amendment to make Senate elections reflect popular votes among the citizens of a state was NOT done to make the Senate as a whole reflective of the total American population. It was done to end the corruption inherent in the appointment process that had existed previously. Today the goal is to make the Senate reflect the popular vote OVERALL. Basically to put an end to the leverage of statehood over population. That's the difference. It's seductive to support for those too ignorant to understand the purpose of the Senate in our Constitution and why it is absolutely necessary. It acts with legislation much as the electoral college acts with elections.
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Re: Most people today see things in 24-hour news cycles
Nov 8, 2018, 12:09 PM
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I don't see Senators representing the interests of their state. They are representing the interests of their party. Citizens in states are primarily voting the interests of their party affiliation.
When I think of "representing the interest of the state" I think of the Senators representing the interests of their state government which is elected by citizens of that state.
The 17th amendments is a disaster for the Republic. The corruption concerns you pointed out should have been handled by the citizens of the state. SC is not unique to the issue of corruption. Part of the problem is that we continue to vote in professional career politicians. Term limits, while distasteful in some regards is one solution. The distaste is overcome by the positives.
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Re: Hope she's ok.
Nov 8, 2018, 9:49 AM
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Please note that this article, which is actually appears to be an opinion piece, was written in August 2016, months before the Presidential election.
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Re: RBG admitted to the hospital.
Nov 8, 2018, 9:48 AM
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She isn't going anywhere until at least after 2020. She is looking fine anyway. 
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Re: RBG admitted to the hospital.
Nov 8, 2018, 10:25 AM
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Not good at 85 years old. She's had cancer 3 times too.
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We should pray for her.
Nov 8, 2018, 11:27 AM
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As much as I want for her to retire I have absolutely no ill will toward her. I do not consider her the enemy, she's an honorable Justice who always did what she believed was the right thing to do, imo.
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