Re: let’s just say, hypothetically, that bama

So, what's the upshot though? Does this mean that we are entitled to be #1 right now? Or does it simply mean that if Alabama were in the same situation, the media would give them an *undeserved* pass.

Are you saying the media should simply not give Bama a pass? (which I would agree with), or are you saying that Clemson should be ranked #1 in part because of a win-streak and championship that stretches back to a period before the season for which the ranking is for?

What gets lost in all this is that no matter how many times we yell about prior years accomplishments, this is about Ohio State '19 vs. LSU '19 vs. Clemson '19. If we had to withstand a comparison to a defending national champ based on their record from the prior year plus the current year, VERSES our current year, we would be crying "unfair" from the rooftops, and rightly so.

If someone wants to tell me that Clemson this year is better than LSU and/or OSU this year, that's fine. But don't tell me we "deserve" to be ranked above LSU and or OSU in part b/c we won the 2018 national title, that's just nuts.

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Dec 2, 2019, 4:14 PM

let me state for the record that SEC bias is real. That said, there is a contingent of Clemson fans who act as if any mild to moderate constructive criticism of Clemson is, by definition, bias against us, rather than honest assessment.

I think the bias that Bama receives is a special thing in and of itself - but it is still under the umbrella of SEC bias. As an example - I think earlier this season when Penn State was ranked under Bama and over Clemson, that was a crock. I thought at that juncture that PSU deserved to be ranked above BOTH Bama and Clemson, b/c their body of work at the time was better. I think it was bias - unconscious bias, but bias nonetheless, that led to that.

However, the blowback against SEC and Bama bias, by Clemson fans and others, is sometimes so bad that we go too far the other way. The culture on this board right now is such that if the media makes any positive assessment about Bama and or other SEC teams that is objectively true, or at least reasonably arguable, we start foaming at the mouth and yelling "bias," and epithets at any analyst who didn't kiss our ring. At some juncture we have to realize that often we are acting pis(s)y just like we accuse Bama fans of acting. I expect that we should all be big enough to not answer the question of whether we think we're being mistreated with the response of "oh, well you wouldn't do that with Bama!" Well, that just means they need to fix how they view Bama. But it does not mean we deserve to be ranked above OSU or LSU simply b/c we won it all in 2018.

I don't think it's as simple as the committee "being done" with bias - as if they simply call it straight for a while and then completely quit. I think they've called it straight plenty of times even when that benefited the SEC, and it wasn't bias. Other times not so much.

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let’s just say, hypothetically, that bama

Hmmm . . . wait a minute . . .

I agree with your premise, BUT

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3 out of 4 !!!...not 5. Next year will be 4 out of 5... OK?***