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Orange Blooded [3740]
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You cool w/ teams letting guys travel who quit for NFL?
Jan 2, 2019, 9:36 AM
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Seems teams are allowing guys who decide not to play in bowl games to protect their NFL futures to travel with their teams to the bowl games, let them stand on the sidelines, and get the bowl swag.
I'm conflicted. On one hand, I think a player should forfeit his ability to reap the same benefits of his teammates who are laying it on the line in a bowl game if he is healthy and decides not to play to protect his NFL future. There should be some sort penalty for putting yourself above the team (right or wrong) shouldn't there? On the other hand, I think a guy should be rewarded for playing in the regular season which is directly responsible for the team being invited to the bowl game in the first place.
Thoughts?
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Re: You cool w/ teams letting guys travel who quit for NFL?
Jan 2, 2019, 9:42 AM
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What is right or best for the team's character is often second place to recruiting. Coaches allow this so there is no reason for a recruit to eliminate them.
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Re: You cool w/ teams letting guys travel who quit for NFL?***
Jan 2, 2019, 9:45 AM
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I don't like it, and I can't see the other players liking it
Jan 2, 2019, 9:43 AM
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either. If I were a coach, I would not allow it, just from the distraction standpoint. And, I don't care who the coach is, they have got to be at least a little bitter about developing guys for all those years, and then having the guy put himself before the team. (Although none would come out and say this, would not be politically correct in these Snowflake times.)
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Re: I don't like it, and I can't see the other players liking it
Jan 2, 2019, 9:51 AM
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You are on the team and you do what the teams does. The minute you are not doing what the team does because it’s your personal choice, you are no longer on the team. This new age quasi team-ish sorta garbage makes my blood boil.
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CU Medallion [65037]
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Ed Zachary.
Jan 2, 2019, 9:54 AM
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I'm fine with it, those players have given everything
Jan 2, 2019, 9:45 AM
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they have to the program for 3, 4 or 5 years. They battled all year for their school. Let them go to the bowl game with their teammates and friends.
I also don't have a problem with the players who decide not to play. If he's already projected to be a 1st round pick, there's no reason to risk a significant injury.
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Oculus Spirit [96811]
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I'm not disagreeing with you, but if you're scared of a
Jan 2, 2019, 9:49 AM
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significant injury, why just sit out a bowl game? Why not sit out the last 2-3 games (or more) of the season? You could suffer a significant injury in any game.
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Re: I'm not disagreeing with you, but if you're scared of a
Jan 2, 2019, 10:04 AM
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In the regular season you could argue that you still have something to play for, with that being either a CFP berth, division title, beating your rival, or at least which bowl game you'll make. Also, if you're hurt in the regular season you have more time to get healthy before the draft. These bowl games are nearly a month, or sometimes more than a month after the end of the regular season which gives the players much less time to heal.
I don't see why everyone is so upset as if this is a new thing. The players officially sitting out the games is certainly new, but we've seen many teams get upset or blown out in bowl games over the years and seen it credited to players having their eyes on the NFL draft. I'd much rather have a player on my team be up front about wanting to get ready for the draft instead of playing in the game, but not giving a crap which causes the team to suffer on the field. At least you figure the backup is going to be hungry to show what he can do, and at least that player gets experience for the next season assuming he's not a senior.
I think it's easy to say we'd all give it 110% for the bowl game, but picture being a college athlete/student. The regular season is over, school is over, it's the holiday season, you're only months away from reaching your dream and making millions of dollars, but you're being asked to give 110% to play a 7-5 team in the Belk Bowl in front of 400 fans.
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Yep, I predict that guys will start laying out in October
Jan 2, 2019, 12:14 PM
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as soon as the team they are on builds up a few losses, and aiming for "meaningless" bowl game, the agents will tell them to be done with free football.
Its coming.
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Re: You cool w/ teams letting guys travel who quit for NFL?
Jan 2, 2019, 9:46 AM
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Once you decide to sit out, you should be off the team.
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Re: You cool w/ teams letting guys travel who quit for NFL?
Jan 2, 2019, 9:53 AM
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Not cool
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Re: You cool w/ teams letting guys travel who quit for NFL?
Jan 2, 2019, 10:02 AM
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I've got no problem with a player sitting a game out to get ready for the NFL draft/combine/whatever. But shouldn't that player be getting ready for the draft/combine/whatever instead of taking 2/3 weeks just hanging around practice and traveling to the meaningless bowl game?
Doesn't seem like the player is really committed towards bettering himself for the draft if he's being a cheerleader on the sideline.
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No. It's kind of like letting ND be in the conference
Jan 2, 2019, 10:06 AM
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and not.
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Yes***
Jan 2, 2019, 10:08 AM
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Oculus Spirit [80016]
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I don't like the idea but I do think that if it happened at
Jan 2, 2019, 10:10 AM
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Clemson, then Dabo would support the player's decision.
I hope that we never have to find that out.
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Re: I don't like the idea but I do think that if it happened at
Jan 2, 2019, 11:03 AM
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Keep making the playoffs and we won't.??
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Re: You cool w/ teams letting guys travel who quit for NFL?
Jan 2, 2019, 10:11 AM
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I’m ok with players not playing but the school shouldn’t take them to the bowl game.
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Re: You cool w/ teams letting guys travel who quit for NFL?
Jan 2, 2019, 10:12 AM
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No I’m not. If a player QUITS for any reason other than health they should not be allowed with the team after that. They should not be allowed in the practice facility, practice fields or travel with the team. Just like Dabo sent Cain and the Lapik home after repeated failed Clemson administered drug test from the Orange Bowl. The only reason Dexter and the others traveled and most probably will travel again is the fact that Dabo believes these players when they say they didn’t take anything or change their habits. There is no connection between the three, other than they all play for Clemson. These guys would give anything to be able to play and the other ones quit
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Re: You cool w/ teams letting guys travel who quit for NFL?
Jan 2, 2019, 11:05 AM
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Plus it is still under appeal.
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Orange Blooded [2217]
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Depends
Jan 2, 2019, 10:56 AM
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I think if the players that are sitting out are still engaged with the team, helping to be another coach to their replacements, and showing that they’re not just using it as an excuse for free party trip, I have no problem with them going.
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All-TigerNet [10822]
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not cool with it. No bowl gift, no traveling to fun
Jan 2, 2019, 11:02 AM
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locations, if you're not actually injured. If health is in question I'm ok with it.
If not you're pretty much kicked off my team.
There are guys in HIGH SCHOOL that would never not want to be on the field with their brothers sacrificing their bodies.
That's another thing that's special about Clemson. We had 3 guys come back that could be getting PAID right now. They played the whole season without having to because our team is like family. They love each other and want to win another one together. Teams like UGA are full of ME ME ME type of guys.
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Re: not cool with it. No bowl gift, no traveling to fun
Jan 2, 2019, 11:06 AM
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I love all 3 of those guys, and they certainly didn't have to come back. However, it's only speculation to say whether or not they'd all be playing in a bowl game this year had we missed the CFP.
I mean, didn't we recently have a few players saying the team wasn't focused on the CFP game with Bama last year? I know that's not quite the same as not playing, but if players are capable of not being 100% focused on a CFP game against Bama then I don't see any guarantee they'd be all in for a random bowl game below the CFP.
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Re: You cool w/ teams letting guys travel who quit for NFL?
Jan 2, 2019, 11:03 AM
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Serious question for those who think the players shouldn't be allowed on the sidelines if they don't play. How is this any different from the numerous former players located on the sidelines at nearly every single game?
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because they didn't quit on their teammates?
Jan 2, 2019, 11:04 AM
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they came back to visit.. you serious Clark?
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Re: because they didn't quit on their teammates?
Jan 2, 2019, 11:11 AM
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How many of those guys(not saying anyone particular) may have played in a bowl game in the past, but only played at about 70% of their capability because they had already mentally checked out for the NFL?
I realize we're not likely to agree on this. To me though, these players gave to a program for 3-5 years, and I think it's a bit far to basically blackball them from the program forever because they decided to sit out their final game that wasn't even for a championship.
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All-In [40875]
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no, if you quit the team you are not part of the team and
Jan 2, 2019, 11:03 AM
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should not be there with them.
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Re: You cool w/ teams letting guys travel who quit for NFL?
Jan 2, 2019, 11:27 AM
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schools choice...
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Re: You cool w/ teams letting guys travel who quit for NFL?
Jan 2, 2019, 12:09 PM
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Everyone has an opinion and most are dumb. Why do any you care, none of your business. But not allowing them around the team or practice,etc is stupid. Does it really matter?No.
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