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YouTube can allow whatever they want on their platform,
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YouTube can allow whatever they want on their platform,


Apr 28, 2020, 8:21 PM

but freedom takes another hit. I saw where the California doctors who questioned widely accepted opinion regarding Covid19 had their video removed from YouTube because the doctor's conclusions conflicted with the opinions and guidelines of the World Health Organization. Gotta swallow that load; no dissent allowed. Every bit as scary as the virus, and we should all be very concerned by this kind of attempt to squelch our freedom and control the message.

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actually you can NOT post whatever you want on youtube


Apr 28, 2020, 8:31 PM

and it seems they are using an automated system to keep Covid vids down to a minimum. Maybe someone is just trying to get you all riled up by wrapping a conspiracy around a nonissue.


https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/16/youtube-warns-of-increased-video-removals-during-covid-19-crisis/


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"YouTu­be can allow whatever they want on their platform"...


Apr 28, 2020, 8:39 PM

did that part trip you up? The CEO of YouTube said they took the video down because it went against WHO guidelines.

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Re: "YouTu­be can allow whatever they want on their platform"...


Apr 28, 2020, 8:52 PM

you tube is a private company, they are under no legal obligation to host your content and you sign a terms of agreement waiver stating such when you sign up.

And if they feel it is their best interest, and that of public safety to remove fake and unproven remedies for Covid, that is their business. But I guess you see this as some kind of overreach on their part, keeping people safe and themselves insulated from liability?

It should also tell you something that a tech giant run by incredibly smart people is listening to the WHO and not a bunch of online quacks and conspiracy theorists.

And If you want to explore alternative cures for the virus, I would suggest heading over to reddit.

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You are totally missing the point. Again.


Apr 28, 2020, 9:08 PM

No where in my post, in any way, did I say or imply that YouTube is obligated to host my content. In fact, I went out of the way to show that I was well aware of that with the subject line of my original post "YouTu­be can allow whatever they want on their platform".... Yet you continue, even after I pointed it out, to argue against something I never said.

So, anybody who questions the WHO, who has been wrong repeatedly on the coronavirus, is a quack? Either way, we all should have the right to publicly question and challenge authority. Liability? Come on, the media, of which YouTube is a very powerful and influential part, publishes and broadcasts controversial, perhaps even dangerous opinions all of the time.

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Re: You are totally missing the point. Again.


Apr 28, 2020, 9:19 PM

You are replying to a person who is likely on the spectrum and cannot understand logic.

Just an FYI.

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Re: You are totally missing the point. Again.


Apr 28, 2020, 9:26 PM

I am very familiar with Tbalm; I've been on here a long time. I have no problem with him, even though we often disagree. He's just completely misunderstanding part of my post.

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Re: You are totally missing the point. Again.


Apr 28, 2020, 9:43 PM

we are in agreement, and agree more with the a lot of the content they host being dangerous. i am just failing to understand youroriginal statement

we should all be very concerned by this kind of attempt to squelch our freedom and control the message.


They are under no obligation to host content you personally agree with and support information you disagree with. So I am having a tough time understanding how they are "squelching your freedom". if you do not like their message, you are free to watch videos elsewhere, and those doctors have plenty of other outlets to convey their message.

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Re: You are totally missing the point. Again.


Apr 28, 2020, 11:05 PM

They are under no obligation; I've made that abundantly clear. It would just be nice, given their unique and powerful position in the media, if they did not deny their platform to people who simply have a dissenting opinion with which they may disagree. Nothing hateful, racist, or deceitful; just questioning the conclusions of other doctors and, more importantly, the resulting government action. There are many differing, conflicting medical opinions to be found on YouTube, many of them very controversial. Can't be allowed this time, for some reason.

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Re: You are totally missing the point. Again.


Apr 28, 2020, 11:27 PM

they are not the media nor a content provider, they are a hosting service. They provide you with a place to store your digital videos on their servers, that is it. If they own an overwhelming amount of video hosting market share, it is because an overwhelming amount of people use their service.

Now if you want to talk about breaking up their monopoly, along with facebook and google, that would be more relevant, because in the end that is the crux of this issue.

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Is being 'on the spectrum' the new insult?


Apr 30, 2020, 11:05 AM [ in reply to Re: You are totally missing the point. Again. ]

Do better than that.

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Well, first, they can't "allow whatever they want"


Apr 29, 2020, 9:34 AM [ in reply to "YouTu­be can allow whatever they want on their platform"... ]

Like videos that violate copyright.

YouTube also works to remove blatantly false and dangerous videos--like the Cali docs--and things like white supremacist videos.

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What I meant, and I guess what i should have said for


Apr 29, 2020, 10:59 AM

all of the nit-pickers, was that YouTube has the right to censor or DISALLOW whatever they want. But you knew that. And whether or not the doctor's opinions are false or dangerous is ENTIRELY a matter of opinion. Authoritarian regimes have always used the "dangerous" excuse to censor and repress.

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Re: What I meant, and I guess what i should have said for


Apr 29, 2020, 11:19 AM

It's not a matter of a opinion. They've already been proven wrong.

Where's the authoritarian regime? YouTube? What government do they control?

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Re: What I meant, and I guess what i should have said for


Apr 29, 2020, 12:24 PM

Were they proven wrong, or did someone else offer an opposing medical opinion?

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Why aren't you reading the link?


Apr 29, 2020, 3:00 PM

I gave you information on this.

https://www.dailynews.com/2020/04/28/california-doctors-with-dubious-covid-conclusions-debunked/?fbclid=IwAR2o093K3CuT4fyUL1-nbjphFK5hJCg3XlqP4rYsCCzVdQsj4UUQWc9TtDg

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Which proves you are flat out wrong.


Apr 29, 2020, 3:51 PM

Nothing has been proven. There is the prevailing medical opinion, as presented in the article you linked, and a differing, dissenting opinion. And YouTube has lots of videos that buck the medical establishment, that could be considered dangerous if that's the case.

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Yeah. No.


Apr 30, 2020, 11:09 AM

It shows these doctors basing their opinions on anecdotal evidence, not actual scientific process, and then broadcasting it to the world. That's dangerous.

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Stop Squelching my rights.


May 2, 2020, 10:46 AM

if potentially dangerous and unfounded medical practices are what forced them to take these down, how come they still have videos of psychic surgeries?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjF1sUZEy2U

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Re: "YouTu­be can allow whatever they want on their platform"...


May 2, 2020, 10:18 PM [ in reply to "YouTu­be can allow whatever they want on their platform"... ]


did that part trip you up? The CEO of YouTube said they took the video down because it went against WHO guidelines.




Yes, and they were also condemned by Fauci, NIH, WHO and virtually every doctor who has a brain. Even I could see that comparing the damage done by something over a year's time, to something that has only existed for a few months was bogus as hell.

They were essentially saying that Covid-19 was no worse than the flu. Only, in just 2 months of Covid-19's presence in this country, it killed more people than died from the flu ALL of last year.

And you seem upset because you read somewhere that you're supposed to be upset. Investigate the facts for crying out loud.

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The Communist Chinese gov and the W.H.O. do.***


Apr 28, 2020, 11:07 PM [ in reply to actually you can NOT post whatever you want on youtube ]



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Re: The Communist Chinese gov and the W.H.O. do.***


Apr 29, 2020, 12:55 AM

yeah, because that is a real thing. I guess that is why jimmies have been rustled, Youtube stands behind the opinions of the WHO in the name of public health. But I guess I should not be shocked, people actually tried to ingest household cleaners to fight Covid.

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You're changing the subject.


Apr 30, 2020, 4:53 PM

Going from the credibility of the W.H.O and Chinese Communist government to the credibility of two practicing physicians who have been treating Americans with the disease which China spread across the globe and the W.H.O. defends. The interjection of 'Trump telling people to ingest or inject bleach or lysol,' is not part of this conversation unless you really want it to be.

If it is now part of the conversation then surely Youtube would have taken the video of Trump saying that down to save Americans from injecting or ingesting bleach or lysol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33QdTOyXz3w&t=35s

It's ####### amazing that Youtube is deadset on saving human lives yet if that video is what you say it is then Youtube should have taken it down or edited it when it was posted.

I call bullchit on you and youtube. Had Youtube been out to protect people they wouldn't show videos of the regime which has a million muslim slaves. You pick and choose what you consider moral and ignore the faults of those with your political philosophy.

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The Cali docs are spreading false, bad information.


Apr 29, 2020, 9:33 AM

And likely doing it to make a buck.

YouTube was right to remove it. Their statements were dangerous.

https://www.dailynews.com/2020/04/28/california-doctors-with-dubious-covid-conclusions-debunked/?fbclid=IwAR2o093K3CuT4fyUL1-nbjphFK5hJCg3XlqP4rYsCCzVdQsj4UUQWc9TtDg

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That's your opinion, and you should not be blocked from


Apr 29, 2020, 10:54 AM

voicing it.

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I feel like we've covered this a lot already.


Apr 29, 2020, 11:18 AM

YouTube (hence, Google) is a private corporation and can police viewpoints expressed on their site as they see fit. If someone doesn't like that, they can take their opinions elsewhere. Why should any private corporation have to entertain anything it sees fit?

I apply that back to this site. Should Crump permit every single post that occurs on here? If your answer is no, it's the same for YouTube.

And when you have two money-hungry clowns like those two doctors spreading bad information that puts people's lives at risk, then kudos to YouTube for shutting them down.

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You've made a compelling argument


Apr 29, 2020, 12:26 PM

if you are trying to convince yourself.

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So you believe they are right?


Apr 29, 2020, 12:29 PM

The doctors should never have assumed that the patients they tested — who came for walk-in COVID-19 tests or who sought urgent care for symptoms they experienced in the middle of a pandemic — are representative of the general population, said Dr. Carl Bergstrom, a University of Washington biologist who specializes in infectious disease modeling. He likened their extrapolations to “estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court.”

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Whether I believe them or not, whether you agree with


Apr 29, 2020, 5:22 PM

them or not, or whether their opinion is supported by consensus or any particular authority is totally irrelevant when it comes to whether or not their opinion should be silenced. YouTube is full of nonsense opinions about all sorts of things, even medical opinions by unqualified people that flies in the face of widely accepted medical opinion and could even be considered dangerous. That's why it makes no sense, on those grounds, to delete the opinions of these doctors. This is 100% political.

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Reminds me of this quote...


Apr 30, 2020, 11:42 AM

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

Isaac Asimov

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Still missing the point.


May 2, 2020, 10:40 AM

Does YouTube have a policy against anti-intellectual or ignorant videos? Nope. Does YouTube have a policy against medical opinion that goes against mainstream medical consensus? Apparently not. Does YouTube have a policy against medical advice or opinion that is potentially dangerous? YouTube is full of such videos. Yet this one was taken down because it went against the guidelines of the WHO, according to the CEO.

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The sample was one of the many that the CDC should be...


Apr 29, 2020, 5:36 PM [ in reply to So you believe they are right? ]

doing at this very minute. Unless someone is going door to door asking for blood there is no other way to gather information which is needed to build data to further understand this virus.

I am not saying their sample represents a broad spectrum of Americans. However, together with other local studies their study becomes part of a broad picture of how American are dealing withh exposure.

It's as if some people don't want more information, as if information is dangerous to their politics or something.

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Why use bad data?


Apr 30, 2020, 11:43 AM

It's like estimating the prevalence of herpes by only testing people with itchy #####.

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Are we talking about the same set of data?


May 2, 2020, 11:03 AM

I thought we were discussing data provided by antibody testing. If that is so then the data is representative of the geographical area where it was gathered. Since states are handling their shutdowns and reopenings local data is exactly what we need.

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Re: The Cali docs are spreading false, bad information.


Apr 29, 2020, 12:10 PM [ in reply to The Cali docs are spreading false, bad information. ]

I can see how the Cali doctors were wrong on the numbers of infected but I don't see how Bergstrom's NBA analogy backs up claims of higher mortality rates.
The VA study was more biased, being sponsored by the drug company and UNC researcher set to reap financial rewards if Remdesevir gets approved, but no one falling in line behind the CDC and WHO seems to care.
This is all about saving drug companies through mandatory vaccines. I don't see why others can't see this.

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Re: YouTube can allow whatever they want on their platform,


Apr 29, 2020, 12:11 PM

I tried to download it while it was still up but was too late.

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How exactly is your freedom squelched?***


Apr 29, 2020, 3:14 PM



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Deer Clemsongrad19890...


Apr 29, 2020, 5:39 PM

when your freedom of speech is squelched my freedom of speech is squelched along with ever American's freedom of speech. That is how freedom of speech works.

signed
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So you have a right granted to you to post whatever you want


Apr 29, 2020, 5:42 PM

on a private company’s website. Interesting, I must have missed when they passed that constitutional amendment.

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Those men had their rights tramped on by youtube.


Apr 29, 2020, 5:54 PM

That's step one. The fact that it doesn't bother anyone on the left that American's right to free speech is being trampled bothers me more than youtube going full blown liberal.

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While I’m on the left, I am glad that I live in a country


Apr 29, 2020, 10:17 PM

where a private business can decide for themselves how to operate their business and make their own decisions. If YouTube wants to delete something, I’m glad they have they have the right to do so, and their freedom isn’t infringed upon. No one’s right to free speech was violated by deleting those videos. YouTube can do whatever it wants. You’ve proven that you have no clue how the constitution works.

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While I’m NOT on the left*******


Apr 29, 2020, 10:19 PM



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Just to clarify:


Apr 29, 2020, 11:22 PM [ in reply to Those men had their rights tramped on by youtube. ]

The "right to free speech" originally was only applied to the federal government. With some case later that I'm not going to look up, it was incorporated against the states. It has never applied to non-governmental parties. So if one of your neighbors decided to shove a baseball into your mouth to shut you up, it might be assault but it wouldn't be a violation of your freedom of speech.

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So let's make sure we have this right....


Apr 30, 2020, 11:11 AM [ in reply to Deer Clemsongrad19890... ]

An Internet video site is restricting your right to speak freely?

Are they sending police to your house?

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Re: So let's make sure we have this right....


Apr 30, 2020, 4:56 PM

I call bullchit on the left's position on a public streaming service which filters videos to suit a political position.

https://www.tigernet.com/forum/Politics--Religion-97


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Answer the question.


May 3, 2020, 1:25 PM

Is an Internet site prohibiting you from speaking freely?

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Youtube just took down 300 Trump campaign videos.


Apr 29, 2020, 5:59 PM

"In an interview on 60 Minutes, YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki said the controversial Trump/Biden ad does not violate their policy.

60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl asked Wojcicki, “Have you taken down any of President Trump’s ads at all?” YouTube’s CEO responded, “There are ads of President Trump that were not approved to run on Google or YouTube.” When pressed for an example, Wojcicki added, “Well, they’re available in our transparency report.”

In response to concerns raised after the 2016 election cycle, Google and YouTube, like Facebook, keep a searchable archive of political ads that have run on the site.

60 Minutes reviewed the archive to learn more about President Trump’s problematic political ads. We found that over 300 video ads were taken down by Google and YouTube, mostly over the summer, for violating company policy. But the archive doesn’t detail what policy was violated. Was it copyright violation? A lie or extreme inaccuracy? Faulty grammar? Bad punctuation? It’s unclear. The ads determined to be offending are not available to be screened. We found very little transparency in the transparency report."

https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/04/29/youtube-removes-over-300-trump-ads-without-giving-ample-reason-why/

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And?***


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