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Single Payer Healthcare: The Reality
Sep 2, 2015, 9:07 AM
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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423413/economics-good-intentions-don%27t-guarantee-good-results
There is a new cholesterol-control drug on the market, Repatha, which is enormously beneficial to people who suffer serious side effects from the statins commonly used to control cholesterol or who derive no benefit from statins.
Some 17 million Britons are potential beneficiaries of the drug, but they will not be able to use it, because the United Kingdom’s version of Sarah Palin’s death panel — which bears the pleasingly Orwellian name NICE, the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence — says it is too expensive.
The United Kingdom’s single-payer health-care system is effectively a monopoly, and not an especially effective one: Cardiovascular-disease mortality rates in the United Kingdom are nearly 40 percent higher than in the United States.
That’s not nice. And it isn’t what was supposed to happen.
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14K/yr?
Sep 2, 2015, 9:26 AM
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How can they call that expensive?
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Re: Single Payer Healthcare: The Reality
Sep 2, 2015, 9:28 AM
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The United States health care system is the most expensive in the world, but this report and prior editions consistently show the U.S. underperforms relative to other countries on most dimensions of performance. Among the 11 nations studied in this report—Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and the United States—the U.S. ranks last, as it did in the 2010, 2007, 2006, and 2004 editions of Mirror, Mirror. Most troubling, the U.S. fails to achieve better health outcomes than the other countries, and as shown in the earlier editions, the U.S. is last or near last on dimensions of access, efficiency, and equity. In this edition of Mirror, Mirror, the United Kingdom ranks first, followed closely by Switzerland.
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror
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110%er [7013]
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^^^^ Does not fit GOP narrative -***
Sep 2, 2015, 9:47 AM
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You're hyperfocused on that one drug, because NR said so.***
Sep 2, 2015, 10:32 AM
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Cardio-Vasc mortality rate 40% higher than US. GB is #1***
Sep 2, 2015, 10:46 AM
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All-In [34105]
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Let's see those actual numbers, CDef.***
Sep 2, 2015, 11:03 AM
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Read the link, spooneye.***
Sep 2, 2015, 11:42 AM
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No actual numbers. Try again.
Sep 2, 2015, 11:50 AM
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It would be interesting to see, overall, how those numbers add up.
Or we can just rely on the National Review hit piece.
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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If you are that interested, look it up.***
Sep 2, 2015, 1:14 PM
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All-In [34105]
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No need.
Sep 2, 2015, 1:18 PM
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Only wanted to confirm that you don't.
Best way to maintain your belief in every NR hit piece you read.
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Good find, but does not seem to support the US as healthier.***
Sep 3, 2015, 8:57 AM
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All-American [555]
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Relevant to the topic. I was just trying to help.
Sep 3, 2015, 10:48 AM
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Single payer is a bad idea, in my view. I also think health insurance reform is a good idea, but the ACA is just bad law, and it exacerbated, rather than alleviated, the problems. I'm retired military, so it doesn't affect me that much.
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Re: Single Payer Healthcare: The Reality
Sep 2, 2015, 4:40 PM
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That would be great if what they are comparing mattered. If you have a serious problem, you are better off here. I livd in he UK and got part of my care via the NhS and it is very third world. People from all over the world come here to be treated for serious illnesses for a reason.
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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That is the reality, Lumbee.***
Sep 2, 2015, 5:09 PM
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Re: Single Payer Healthcare: The Reality
Sep 3, 2015, 8:59 AM
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Your alleged experience in the UK is anecdotal at best, and certainly not more compelling than actual data.
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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Data like the mortality rate 40% higher?***
Sep 3, 2015, 9:16 AM
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Yes, like that.
Sep 3, 2015, 10:12 AM
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Unfortunately, you have yet to point to any data outside of your NR hit piece.
And of course we'd want to see all healthcare quality indicators, not just the single number cherry picked (or fabricated) by the NR.
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I'm with you on the need for data to support a claim...
Sep 3, 2015, 10:50 AM
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...but National Review, while conservative, is a pedigreed, reputable publication.
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Re: I'm with you on the need for data to support a claim...
Sep 3, 2015, 11:30 AM
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National Review, while conservative, is a pedigreed, reputable publication.
It would be more pedigreed and reputable if it cited sources for the statistics it relies on.
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All-American [555]
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Re: I'm with you on the need for data to support a claim...
Sep 3, 2015, 1:15 PM
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Williamson is one of the more snarky commentators there, but you can assume his data are solid.
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Assume that the data is accurate and not cherry picked?
Sep 3, 2015, 1:17 PM
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Nope. Not going to assume either.
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All-American [555]
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That's your prerogative.
Sep 3, 2015, 1:18 PM
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Ain't America grand?
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All-American [555]
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Also...
Sep 3, 2015, 1:20 PM
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...didn't you just post an article re: Dan Savage's take on this whole issue? Dan Savage wouldn't know solid data analysis if it raped him to death. He's an ideologue and a bigot.
Message was edited by: Ben_bull®
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Re: Also...
Sep 3, 2015, 1:40 PM
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You can call him names, but I don't recall him conjuring up unsupported data, National Review-style.
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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Ben_Bull, when liberals cannot engage, they attempt to
Sep 3, 2015, 2:28 PM
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discredit the poster, the article, the data, etc. It really isn't worth the effort. They will never let facts get in the way of their ideology, and single payer healthcare is the crown jewel of liberal ideology.
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Re: Ben_Bull, when liberals cannot engage, they attempt to
Sep 3, 2015, 3:38 PM
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discredit the poster, the article, the data, etc.
Kinda like how you called one article a "NY Times hit piece"?
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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It was. The "affordable housing" fiasco started
Sep 3, 2015, 4:42 PM
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with Jimmy Carter. It hit warp speed under Bill Clinton. By the time Busch was in office it was done. Baked in. Inevitable. Yet, the article focused on Bush. Ridiculous.
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Spooneye?***
Sep 10, 2015, 10:33 AM
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