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Topic: Why was Shyatt so bad?
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Why was Shyatt so bad?

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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 2:53 PM
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I was kinda young during the Shyatt years. I remember getting used to being bad in basketball but I was a bit too young to really think about why we weren't any good. For those of you who remember, what were the reasons for Shyatt's failures? Was it bad talent evaluation or player development? Style of play and Xs and Ox? A mixture of everything?


imagine our teams with even less talent

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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 2:55 PM
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Shyatt didn't have the same caliber of athlete that Purnell and Brownell have brought in ??

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Olu Babaloa was legendary***


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 2:59 PM
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Re: Olu Babaloa was legendary- he played CU football too


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:56 PM
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for about 10 minutes

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So was Mohammed Woni.


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:59 PM
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He looked like was going to be something his freshman year but regressed. That was commonplace under Shyatt.

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He was another of Rick Barnes' players***


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 5:57 PM
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I was a student at Clemson when Olu Babaloa was on the team...


Posted: Mar 28, 2019 4:16 AM
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I was going to play a pickup game of basketball with some friends at Fike when I saw him practicing 3-pointers with either a teammate or perhaps a young assistant coach feeding him the ball back after every shot. I stopped to watch him shoot cuz I was like “Hey, I’ve seen that guy on tv! He’s on the basketball team!!!” After the second shot he took in my presence was a complete air ball, I continued walking to my game and wondered how on earth was this guy playing in the ACC.

~JKB


Re: imagine our teams with even less talent


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:32 PM
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Not sure I completely agree with that. We had a few good players while he was coach, though most were guards, not many good big men. Terrell McIntyre, Harold Jamison, Will Solomon, Ed Scott, Tony Stockman, Sharrod Ford. Three of those made NBA rosters. How many Brownell players have made NBA rosters?


Boogie, Big O and even Solomon, were all Barnes recruits***


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:33 PM
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And Brad has put KJ, JB and Donte Grantham in the pros,


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:35 PM
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even Landry Knoko signed with Detroit


the talent level...There was stretch where Jamal McKnight


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 2:57 PM
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was the only player we had who could dunk in-game and he needed a break away to do so


He had a lot of charisma, that's for sure.

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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 2:58 PM
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According to some here, that's all you need to recruit well and be a good basketball coach.

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He actually did not, though. He was a total dweeb.***

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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:07 PM
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Re: He actually did not, though. He was a total dweeb.***


Posted: Mar 28, 2019 7:06 AM
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You're talking about Judge Keller I assume.

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Now I see the problem. You don't have a clue

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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 5:10 PM
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what charisma means. Here's a hint...Shyatt had none. lol


Yes I do.


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 8:42 PM
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He had to have charisma to convince Bobby Robinson to hire him as our head coach, despite one underwhelming year as a head coach elsewhere.

Well, then that means that Tommy West must’ve had charisma too. And he definitely didnt. So I take it back.

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Tommy West, of course, was a Ford assistant


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 8:51 PM
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Hard to believe we hired him as HC after one
4-7 season at UT-Chattanooga. Guess they were
just hoping he'd bring back the glory days.

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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:04 PM
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He just didn’t measure up. ??

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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:12 PM
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Let’s face the fact that the athletic dept needs to take a hard through look at the basketball situation and begin the process of complete overhaul of the program. Mediocrity is unacceptable.


His teams were extremely undisciplined


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:05 PM
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He actually brought in some talent; Will Solomon, Ed Scott, Sharrod Ford, Tony Stockman and a few others. But his teams played all over the place.


I do remember terrible free throw taking


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:09 PM
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Frequent long scoring droughts, bonehead turnovers etc


Re: I do remember terrible free throw taking


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:12 PM
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Very true. Plus his teams usually played sloppy defense.


Thee long scoring droughts and occasional terrible free


Posted: Mar 28, 2019 9:07 AM
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throw shooting didn't leave with him. Both are why we did not make the dance this year!

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he always had 1 player that could start on other ACC teams

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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:19 PM
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And 4 bums to accompany him.

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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:11 PM
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Hold on! Larry Shyatt beat UNC when they were ranked number one! At least give him credit for something no one else has done in our basketball program!!!

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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:13 PM
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I was at that game. I believe Soloman went off. Same day Dale Sr. Passed away


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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:21 PM
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I was at that game too.


We beat the #1 ranked team before Larry Shyatt did it***

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Re: We beat the #1 ranked team before Larry Shyatt did it***


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:49 PM
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But it wasn’t UNC!

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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:17 PM
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He was a terrific ambassador for Clemson but his teams never were consistent winners

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Go back and watch the videos of Tee and Trevor playing

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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:34 PM
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intramurals.

The ACC was Tee and Trevor.

We were the other team.


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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 3:59 PM
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You’re awakening my Clemson basketball PTSD bringing up the Shyatt years lol. Larry was nice and a great guy (where have we heard that before), but his teams were huge, plodding and awful. The front court of Olu Babalola, Chris Hobbs (RIP) and Ray Henderson was the biggest, low bball IQ bunch I’ve ever seen at Clemson. They were all like 6’6-6’8, 240-270 pounds and just mugged people.


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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 8:18 PM
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I loved ply balbalola but he was pretty bad. He should have been a linebacker!

I remember going nuts watching the game on their senior day. I believe we were playing VT? Or was VT even in the acc then?

Anyways the way I remember it, we were down 4 with like 20 seconds left. Balbalola hit a 3. Then shawan Robinson stole the ball, passed it to Sharrod ford and he dunked it at the buzzer for the win.

Memory was very foggy and I could be wrong about players/sequence. But that was one of the craziest ending I’ve seen from clemson


That was during the early Purnell years


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 8:27 PM
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the "Shyatt recovery"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C95UIiKGw0U



it led sportscenter that night IIRC


Re: That was during the early Purnell years


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 8:56 PM
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Haha wow, incredible. All 3 that were a part of those 2 plays were seniors.

I was also a really big shawan Robinson fan. Very underrated basketball player. He was one of the rare players that could actually hit a free throw.

Looking back, that was a pretty #### talented team! James Mays, cliff hammonds, KC Rivers, sharrod Ford, Shawan Robinson


Re: That was during the early Purnell years

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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 10:07 PM
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Robinson didn't intercept, he was given the ball. It was an inside job :)


Re: That was during the early Purnell years


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 9:49 PM
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Thanks for posting! I was at that game but forgot what led up to the last second dunk by Ford


I actually did the halftime contest on court at that game


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 11:39 PM
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I was 14.

It was pandemonium after the dunk. These days that excitement would be quelled somewhat because they would send everyone to the benches and review it.


Re: I actually did the halftime contest on court at that game


Posted: Mar 28, 2019 9:23 AM
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I was 16, and I went nuts. Such a cool sequence of plays


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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 4:01 PM
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This is a sentence that can be said by almost every Tiger basketball fan no matter how old.

I remember getting used to being bad in basketball but I was a bit too young to really think about why we weren't any good.



On a side note during the Sept of what would be heading into his final season my wife and I saw Coach Shyatt at the Orlando airport coming back from our honeymoon. I recognized him but didn't want to bother him. He saw my Clemson hat and said go Tigers. We started talking for a few minutes and then he went and sat down. When the airline person came to the gate to start the boarding process he got up and starting talking to her. After a few minutes she called me over. He had checked to see if any 1st place seats were available and paid (paid, used miles, did whatever he did) to have us moved up.


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Posted: Mar 28, 2019 1:34 PM
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1st class not 1st place.


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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 4:02 PM
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To answer the original question - Shyatt allowed Solomon to hog the ball and shoot virtually every shot we took as a team. Thus we usually lost - on average we scored about 10 to 15 points besides what Solomon scored which was 30 to 45 usually. End of any game that was close was easy defense for the other team.

One game Solomon got injured and could not play the next game. The go to guy was gone and so the other team did not know who to guard. Our other players evened out the scoring in that game and we beat the number one team in the country - UNC. With a lead and late in first half, Solomon tried to play and UNC quickly jumped back in it. Solomon aggravated his injury and went back out....Stockman hit a couple of threes and a big lay up and we ramped back up and won the game.

If Solomon plays in the second half - we lose. I was actually pulling for him to stay on the bench.

Not knocking Solomon - he was a good scorer, but Shyatt hid behind him and it hurt the team.


i remember attending the game when we played top 15 Seton Hall at home


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 7:53 PM
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Early in the year. We were trailing by 1 with like 30 seconds left and Solomon stood by the half court line just holding the ball for like 25 seconds before making his move way too late and ended up not getting a shot off. It was way too obvious that Solomon wasn't even going to consider passing


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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 4:16 PM
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Any man, woman, or child who talks bad about Larry Shyatt can go to h@ll.


We lived through the Shyatt era. Does that count?***


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He lost a lot of games. It was ugly.


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 4:27 PM
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Certain things you try not to remember.

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I don't think he was a fantastic Xs and Os coach but


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 4:55 PM
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the biggest issue was he just couldn't recruit his way out of a wet paper bag. He inherited a few talented players from Barnes but, of the guys he recruited himself, very few were really ACC caliber. Ed Scott was good, Sherrod Ford eventually became a good player, and there might have been like one more guy, but our rosters under Shyatt were consistently barren of talent. We had quite a few international guys Like Akin Akingbala, Olu Babalola, Tomas "Nasty" Nagys, and Pasha Bains that were all pretty limited. Some were physical specimens but hardly even knew how to play basketball and others were fairly skilled but extremely limited athletically.


He was a mediocre coach who didn't recruit particularly well***


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 5:40 PM
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Sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.


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Posted: Mar 27, 2019 11:23 PM
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Just look at his last name. Duh

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Shyatt happened


Posted: Mar 27, 2019 11:52 PM
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Then we got down with OPP.

Pretty much sums up the era.


Larry also got a bad deal with having to play at


Posted: Mar 28, 2019 9:16 AM
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the Anderson Civic Center while LJ was being renovated. That said a lot about the program, an all time low.

To be fair though, I don't think Greenville had their venue open yet.


IDK but he beat the nbr 1 team


Posted: Mar 28, 2019 9:35 AM
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in the country on our home floor because I sat there on the front row and watched it. And he still got put to curb after that. Course they lost the very next game to a weak team, also our home floor, cause I watched it too, from the same seat.

And they haven't let me back in that seat or any near it since then.


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