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Topic: Who's more valuable to their team: Connor Shaw or Tajh Boyd?
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Who's more valuable to their team: Connor Shaw or Tajh Boyd?


Posted: May 6, 2014 3:00 PM
 

Bruce Ellington or Sammy Watkins?

Jadaveon Clowney or Brandon Thomas?

Vic Hapton or Breshaud Breeland?

Quarles or Shatley?

Both teams will have drop off on offense.

One team will have a significant dropoff on defense

while the other will improve defensively.

I don't get why coots are being ranked so high. SEC bias?

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Posted: May 6, 2014 3:03 PM
 

The SC defense might allow only 180 yards per game. They might allow 450. The Clemson defense might allow 40 points per game. They might allow 13.


We know Dylan Thompson is not as good as Shaw.

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Posted: May 6, 2014 3:05 PM
 

We know that there is no one near as good a Clowney.

Bruce Ellington was a freaking stud.

SCar will see drop off.

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We know he wasn't as good as Shaw.***


Posted: May 6, 2014 3:06 PM
 




Thus, I see a drop in production.***


Posted: May 6, 2014 3:07 PM
 



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Re: We know Dylan Thompson is not as good as Shaw.


Posted: May 6, 2014 3:33 PM
 

> We know that there is no one near as good a Clowney.
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> Bruce Ellington was a freaking stud.
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> SCar will see drop off.

But i thought the general consensus on this board was that Clowney was overrated and didnt do anything productive last year?


I never said that.

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Posted: May 6, 2014 3:35 PM
 

Every team schemed around Clowney.

But you can't deny his 3 sacks.

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Posted: May 6, 2014 3:04 PM
 




Re: Who's more valuable to their team: Connor Shaw or Tajh Boyd?

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Posted: May 6, 2014 3:04 PM
 

Tajh

Sammy

Jadeveon

Vic

Kelcy


Are we sure about Tajh over Connor?


Posted: May 6, 2014 3:06 PM
 

Connor threw 1 interception all year and won the Missouri game for them which was a sure loss if Thompson stayed in.

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Re: Are we sure about Tajh over Connor?


Posted: May 6, 2014 3:35 PM
 

Could be an interesting discussion. Kind of have to seperate the value of each over their replacement from the argument. To me Connor was just a compliment to the strengths of their team. I think the Spurrier golden horshoe effect made Connor look better than he was.


Tajh is the better arm.


Posted: May 6, 2014 3:37 PM
 

Connor had good feet and was a heady player.

Tajh will pull a Charlie Whitehurst and be a career backup while Connor joins the military.

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To his team, I'd give Shaw a slight edge. The guy


Posted: May 6, 2014 3:43 PM
 

just made a lot of plays for them. Maybe they would have been okay with Thompson, but they could have also been the same train wreck as always. I do give Tajh credit (over some random replacement) for the win over FSU, the ACC Championship, LSU, UGA, and Ohio St.

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Re: To his team, I'd give Shaw a slight edge. The guy


Posted: May 6, 2014 3:49 PM
 

I think you just made the case for why Tajh was more valuable than Connor. What wins would you attribute directly to Connor Shaw.


Re: To his team, I'd give Shaw a slight edge. The guy


Posted: May 6, 2014 3:54 PM
 

Missouri and Clemson

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All of them?


Posted: May 6, 2014 4:01 PM
 

It is a tough call. But just using that wins above replacement thing, I think Shaw takes them from tire fire to pretty good. Boyd took us from frustratingly 3rd tier to the same level of pretty good.

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Re: All of them?


Posted: May 6, 2014 4:08 PM
 

Are you comparing (Tajh - Cole) < (Connor - Dylan) or (Tajh - average replacement) < (Connor - average replacement)

It's two different arguments. I think Tajh was more valuable to Clemson but South Carolina will miss Connor more.


(Tajh - average replacement) < (Connor - average replacement


Posted: May 6, 2014 4:13 PM
 

You can't really consider the actual replacement, as those guys may or may not be on the team if Boyd and Shaw were not there.

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Re: (Tajh - average replacement) < (Connor - average replacement


Posted: May 6, 2014 4:17 PM
 

So over ranked Missouri without their starting QB and 6 turnover Clemson wins > LSU, OSU, healthy UGA, ACC championship?


Re: (Tajh - average replacement) < (Connor - average replacement


Posted: May 6, 2014 4:20 PM
 

You have a point. Connor Shaw did not get it done vs. LSU, Auburn, UGA while Tajh Boyd did.

How did we lose to the coots 5 times in a row?

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Re: (Tajh - average replacement) < (Connor - average replacement


Posted: May 6, 2014 4:26 PM
 

Like I said somewhere above Tajh was a strength of our team. Connor Shaw was a compliment. Because of this the fluctuation in Tajh's performance had a much bigger impact on the outcome of our games. While there are some very nice wins we can thank Tajh for, we can also point to some losses that were a result of his poor play. Hard to point to any of South Carolina's losses and say "they lost that because of Connor" because he was just a piece of their team. At least that's my opinion.


Usually when Scar lost, Connor Shaw played bad.


Posted: May 6, 2014 4:29 PM
 

I don't remember Shaw having a good game the and the coots losing.

Regardless, Connor Shaw became a really good college QB because he became accurate with the long ball.

Tajh Boyd was never elusive like Connor.

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Re: Usually when Scar lost, Connor Shaw played bad.


Posted: May 6, 2014 4:52 PM
 

Think he had a pretty good game against UGA this year.

Maybe the better question would be how many bad or average games did he have the South Carolina still won?


Now we get to play the how to build an argument game.


Posted: May 6, 2014 4:38 PM
 

You are suggesting that the only games in Shaw's career that he made a difference were Missouri and Clemson 14.

I'm saying with a typical QB that USC has had, I think they are still a pure garbage team. While if Clemson had a typical Clemson QB these past 3 years, we'd still be bobbing in that 8-9 win range.

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Re: Now we get to play the how to build an argument game.


Posted: May 6, 2014 4:54 PM
 

Do you have a rebuttal for how many games Connor Shaw had an impact in winning?


I told you the answer was all of them.


Posted: May 6, 2014 4:59 PM
 

In order to go back and find any examples, I'd have to think and read more about gamecock football than I want to. Why can't you just accept that I want to say they would have been truly awful without him? That is all I'm trying to do.

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Posted: May 6, 2014 3:27 PM
 

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Posted: May 6, 2014 3:38 PM
 

I don't they will miss Clowney that much. He sat out one third of the season and certainly did not give total effort the rest of the time. Shaw is the one they will miss the most. He was not the most talented but knew how to win, much like Rodney Williams. Shaw was much of their offense.

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Posted: May 6, 2014 3:47 PM
 




Re: Who's more valuable to their team: Connor Shaw or Tajh Boyd?


Posted: May 6, 2014 3:47 PM
 

General consensus for SC is offense will improve, defense will take a hit. Losing Shaw hurts but we'll have the best line we've had in Spurriers era , loaded backfield, very good WR group returning even without Bruce. But on defense replacing that D-line is n


Re: Who's more valuable to their team: Connor Shaw or Tajh Boyd?


Posted: May 6, 2014 3:47 PM
 

Not going to be easy


Re: Who's more valuable to their team: Connor Shaw or Tajh Boyd?


Posted: May 6, 2014 3:57 PM
 

Offense may improve. Taking a hit at qb is a big deal for you and us. Our RB situation is better IMO but we take a hit without Sammy for sure. But our WRS are talented as well. Mike Williams will be as good as Roland. Both are future NFL guys

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Re: Who's more valuable to their team: Connor Shaw or Tajh Boyd?


Posted: May 6, 2014 4:47 PM
 

I agree with your assessment. I think for both teams it's really hard to tell right now how much losing Boyd and Shaw will hurt. I feel like both teams feel pretty good about the new QBs, but there is no way to really tell until the season starts.


Is this a rhetorical question?


Posted: May 6, 2014 4:51 PM
 

A lot of it has to do with the SEC bias

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