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Legend [16439]
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If college athletic programs are so profitable
Mar 27, 2014, 9:56 AM
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And they provide so much cash to the universities, then why do tuition costs continue to spiral out of control?
So we are going to pay athletes on the backs of the academic community? Just where is the money to pay these athletes going to come from?
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500 million dollar bathrooms in the
Mar 27, 2014, 10:04 AM
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Girls lacrosse indoor training field.
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Trainer [47]
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University and athletic departments
Mar 27, 2014, 10:05 AM
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While both depts. represent the univ. the two are funded almost completely from separate sources and entities
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Re: University and athletic departments
Mar 27, 2014, 4:01 PM
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Athletic Departments get funding from the school, otherwise it wouldn't be the "Clemson Tigers" we would be the "Whoever-foots-the-bill-this-season Tigers". Of course athletic departments receive subsidies from the school budget.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Very few athletic departments turn a profit
Mar 27, 2014, 10:17 AM
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as a whole.
The football, basketball, and in some cases baseball programs generally turn a profit and subsidize soccer, tennis, track, volleyball, etc.
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Re: Very few athletic departments turn a profit
Mar 27, 2014, 10:52 AM
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and ALL women's sports
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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I bet UConn and Tenn WBB make money***
Mar 27, 2014, 1:40 PM
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Legend [16439]
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My point exactly
Mar 27, 2014, 2:39 PM
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Our athletic department as a whole is not throwing off cash, so where is this salary expense going to get funding from?
1) higher ticket prices/donor levels
2) elimination of non-revenue teams
3) some other source, which inevitably will result in higher tuition/fees
Can't get blood from a turnip!
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Re: My point exactly
Mar 27, 2014, 2:44 PM
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The groups that will suffer will be non-revenue sports and schools with lower sports revenues. What this will do is increase the gap between the haves and have nots in revenue producing college sports.
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But the players don't see that. They see their boss
Mar 27, 2014, 2:49 PM
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making millions of dollars are year. They see the tv contract numbers, then they see any thing they do to try to make money is some compliance issue.
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Re: Very few athletic departments turn a profit
Mar 27, 2014, 4:59 PM
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Well, and they aren't actually designed to "turn a profit." They "reinvest" excess funds into stadiums, AD and Coaches' salaries. If they had to pay players presumably they would spend less on other things and still break even. If they couldn't afford salaries then they wouldn't offer them. There may be some issues with violation of the minimum wage laws, but I would assume something could be worked out on that point.
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Athletics as a whole is not profitable.
Mar 27, 2014, 3:07 PM
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We're talking about football. Football is not only profitable but it has turned into a business model for these schools.
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Oculus Spirit [81883]
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And football is the reason schools have Olympic sports
Mar 27, 2014, 3:08 PM
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on scholarships...
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Not all schools have a football program
Mar 27, 2014, 4:02 PM
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they manage just fine.
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I beg to differ***
Mar 27, 2014, 4:04 PM
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Re: And football is the reason schools have Olympic sports
Mar 27, 2014, 4:04 PM
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But what you're saying is that football players should work for everybody else and get nothing.
I can't agree with that stance.
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Oculus Spirit [81883]
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Football players aren't working for everybody.
Mar 27, 2014, 5:16 PM
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You're under the premise people are paying money to go watch one person, they're there to watch Clemson football.
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Re: Football players aren't working for everybody.
Mar 27, 2014, 5:20 PM
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By that logic, teams shouldn't bother paying coaches a couple million a year, since fans are just there to see clemson football anyway. Who cares how good they are. Bet there will still be 80k in the stands when the team is 5-7 for the season, because who cares.
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Oculus Spirit [81883]
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How is it "by that logic"?
Mar 27, 2014, 5:26 PM
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The coach is like the CEO of the team, he's the one making the product of Clemson Football entertaining and good to watch. Ever see how much more a CEO makes over his entry-level employees? Football coaches aren't even making close to the difference a CEO to entry level as Coach to player.
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Re: How is it "by that logic"?
Mar 28, 2014, 9:19 AM
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Isn't the more analogous situation an NFL coach and his players? I agree that college players would probably make less relative to a coach than in the NFL, but at least the NFL is still football, unlike any random corporation.
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Re: And football is the reason schools have Olympic sports
Mar 27, 2014, 5:26 PM
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I can't agree with the stance that they get nothing. They get tens of thousands of dollars in scholarship money, an opportunity to get into a school they might not be competitive for academically, the opportunity to enter a training program with trainers and nutrition designed to make them the best they can possibly be at a sport, the opportunity to travel all around the country and receive gifts from bowls, and the opportunity to showcase their talent across the country in the hopes of getting a job in the NFL or in sports media. That doesn't seem like nothing to me.
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Oculus Spirit [81883]
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Scholarship money, education, housing, books, food,
Mar 27, 2014, 5:29 PM
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specialized tutoring, travel, adoration from everyone.
They get probably about $65,000 worth of compensation to play an effing game.
To those making the argument that they make millions of dollars to the school for just their compensation...
I make $50k a year and bring my company millions of dollars...welcome to the real world.
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Re: Scholarship money, education, housing, books, food,
Mar 27, 2014, 5:34 PM
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I can't hardly take anything seriously Tiger Woods says anymore since he wants the athletes to split 50% of the revenue their individual sport brings in. I like college athletics. I don't think we should let it be ruined because football brings in a lot of money and doesn't pay the players in accordance with how much they bring in.
If his ideas were put into place, the universities with the 10 biggest stadiums and name brands would be kings for life because players would only be interested in how much money they could make.
Did you like watching Spiller and Watkins in a Clemson jersey Tiger Woods? I did. You wouldn't see that under your plan of paying them based on the revenue the school brings in by individual sport.
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I only say 50% of the football player has to pay for
Mar 28, 2014, 9:26 AM
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everything including equipment and travel. Which others have suggested.
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Re: Scholarship money, education, housing, books, food,
Mar 28, 2014, 9:21 AM
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My point is that the open market should set the rate of compensation for players. What that ends up being is another story. I think we can guess what it might be, but the main point is that the players should be paid what they can negotiate for. Right now they are prohibited from entering a true an open market for their services.
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Because they are amateur athletes. Unless you want to take
Mar 28, 2014, 9:41 AM
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the Amateur out of college sports. Then, you can get former pros and people who are good at this level but never made it in the pros to come in and take up spots. After all, this is now a business and a professional one at that.
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Re: Because they are amateur athletes. Unless you want to take
Mar 28, 2014, 9:47 AM
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There's no need to remove "amateur" from college football, because it has already been removed.
"Amateur" and its cousin "student athlete" are labels
created by the NCAA in the 50s to avoid workers compensation laws. The point of these recent court decisions is that people have realized that there's nothing amateur about it. These are multi billion dollar businesses.
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Track Athlete gets the same
Mar 28, 2014, 9:25 AM
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scholarship as a football player.
Yet the football player is the one bringing in the revenue to support the track athlete.
This is the problem. At least, as a capitalist I see this as a problem.
A communist probably has zero issue with this scenario.
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You act like these kids see playing a game or sport
Mar 28, 2014, 9:35 AM
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that they love as a chore. They don't. College athletes (at least they should) do it for the love of the game/pride in their school/scholarship opportunity/a possible chance to go pro...and most of all...because they're there to get an education.
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Or you could ask the question, if football
Mar 27, 2014, 4:13 PM
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programs can pay their coaches millions of dollars a year, could some of that money go to the players who are actually generating the income?
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Great point. If Dabo and Spurrier both made $1 million
Mar 27, 2014, 4:16 PM
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a year, that would leave a couple of million for other sports.
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Oculus Spirit [81883]
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Yea, and why doesn't my CEO take a paycut and actually
Mar 27, 2014, 9:53 PM
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fund the project I want him to?
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Re: Yea, and why doesn't my CEO take a paycut and actually
Mar 28, 2014, 9:48 AM
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At least a business still has to pay market rate for his employees' services.
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Orange Blooded [2113]
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There's the answer: We pay the coach and he pays the players
Mar 27, 2014, 4:36 PM
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whatever he wants. He hires and fires them when he wants if he is allowed to by the union. Simple and real world
Each player is paid a wage based on performance and playing time since we have said the non-revenue sports don't deserve pay why should the beach warmers.
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Re: Yeah. Don't you know that will work perfectly??***
Mar 27, 2014, 9:50 PM
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Oculus Spirit [93647]
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Much of the athletic income goes to fund...
Mar 28, 2014, 9:56 AM
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activities I don't consider sports, golf, fishing and such.
We should definitely add wet t-shirt contest as our only women's sports program.
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