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Letterman [281]
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Top Baseball Recruit Asks For Release
Jun 9, 2015, 5:00 PM
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One of Clemson's top baseball recruits, catcher Cal Raleigh, has asked to be released from his NLI. For those of you who don't follow college baseball, Raleigh's dad, Todd, is the former head coach at Western Carolina and Tennessee. He played for Leggett at Western. He was also the head coach at Tennessee when Bradley Lecroy was the recruiting coordinator there. Apparently Lecroy's connection to Raleigh was not enough to persuade him to come to Clemson without Leggett here.
http://usatodayhss.com/2015/raleigh-asks-for-release-from-clemson
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Re: And, so it begins***
Jun 9, 2015, 5:02 PM
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CU Medallion [58311]
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It's over. The end is near.***
Jun 9, 2015, 5:06 PM
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I hope that
Jun 9, 2015, 5:13 PM
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you baseball experts are ready for what is about to happen. You don't release a coach like Leggett
and hope that the baseball team will immediately become a national powerhouse.. This is the most stupid decision made at Clemson in years. I knew that GT would get even with us for sending Robinson to Atlanta!!!
I personally know guys who played for coach L and he IS NOT a guy that you dismiss the way it was done.
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Orange Blooded [4098]
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Re: I hope that
Jun 9, 2015, 5:18 PM
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how should it have been done?? I think almost everyone knew he had to go so how??if he refused to resign how???
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CU Medallion [58311]
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I guess we should have left it all up to him. Just keep
Jun 9, 2015, 5:27 PM
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him as long as he wants to stay no matter what.
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Re: I hope that
Jun 9, 2015, 5:40 PM
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Are you kidding? He should have been fired last year! We could not stand to have another year in 2016 like the past three! Leggett had every chance to straighten things out and HE DID NOT! Just in fundamentals this year's team was even worse than the past several! That simply could NOT go on! Good coaches do NOT let that happen!
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Re: I hope that
Jun 9, 2015, 5:50 PM
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> you baseball experts are ready for what is about to
> happen. You don't release a coach like Leggett
> and hope that the baseball team will immediately
> become a national powerhouse.. This is the most
> stupid decision made at Clemson in years. I knew
> that GT would get even with us for sending Robinson
> to Atlanta!!!
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> I personally know guys who played for coach L and he
> e IS NOT a guy that you dismiss the way it was done.
Who thinks we will instantly become a national powerhouse in baseball? Stop making crap up to fit your argument.
We haven't been a powerhouse in baseball since at least 2007. During that time frame, we have one division championship, zero conference championships, one visit to the CWS, two visits to the Super Regionals, and hosted a regional and Super once (in a year where we didn't even host a regional). We have ONE game in our last three tournament appearances. That is not a powerhouse program.
Jack Leggett was and maybe still is a great coach, but it just wasn't working anymore. It possibly could have been handled better, but no one here was in those meetings. Hopefully, the next hire will prove to be great in the long run or maybe not, but I would rather take that chance than what we have had the last 5 years (a continually declining program).
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Legend [16058]
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Well it will be worth it in the end. Tired of the downward..
Jun 9, 2015, 5:50 PM
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spiral, lack of wins and lack of championships. And I watched Leggett since I was young. These aren't the same teams in the last 5 years that his once were.
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Orange Blooded [4098]
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Re: Well it will be worth it in the end. Tired of the downward..
Jun 9, 2015, 8:20 PM
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good post... absolutely true!
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Re: I hope that
Jun 9, 2015, 5:51 PM
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lol what a joke.
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Legend [17215]
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What? The more Leggett I supporters share, the more I think
Jun 9, 2015, 6:59 PM
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it was time to part ways.
Leggett did not make Clemson baseball. Clemson Baseball made Leggett.
Leggett should be thanking Clemson as much as we should be thanking him. He was paid well and supported well by fans and the AD.
The sour grapes from his camp sure do make me wonder -especially when combined with his demeanor and alleged stubbornness.
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Re: I hope that
Jun 9, 2015, 8:18 PM
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there were 2 choices...either release the coach now and not get another year behind, which would have made the same thing happen next year with recruits. Or he would have had to be given a contract extension to be able to recruit and if things did not improve then you have a bigger buy-out. If the coach has one year left, then it would be the same thing because the kids still would not know who their coach was going to be after 1 year.
You also don't keep a coach that has gone downhill is the last several years and, as you say, HOPE that the baseball team will immediately become a national powerhouse. If he had been retained and nothing improved again, you are right back where we are right now. Jack has had plenty of time to improve and did not.
Let's say you were the top salesman in your company for years and received numerous awards for your work. Then you start slipping yr after yr. Your boss does your evaluation at the end of the year and tells you that you have one year to improve. At your next evaluation there is no improvement. Your boss does exactly what he said he was going to do and releases you from the company. The boss hires another salesman to take your place, but completely understands that it will take him a while to get to know the company and set up his own clients and to regain the one's you had lost. That sounds fair to me.
Me, you, nor anyone knows what happened in that meeting with JL and Drad. Only 2 people know that. Now people can assume that it happened one way or the other, but still, nobody knows what was said.
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Re: I hope that
Jun 10, 2015, 2:54 PM
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> you baseball experts are ready for what is about to
> happen. You don't release a coach like Leggett
> and hope that the baseball team will immediately
> become a national powerhouse.. This is the most
> stupid decision made at Clemson in years. I knew
> that GT would get even with us for sending Robinson
> to Atlanta!!!
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> I personally know guys who played for coach L and he
> e IS NOT a guy that you dismiss the way it was done.
I think you are right about one thing. There may be a down right rocky year or two. Letting Jack go was a means to prevent further deterioration. The hope is that the desert wandering just doesn't last too long.
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I'm sure we'll find someone who wants to play for
Jun 9, 2015, 5:12 PM
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whichever coach we bring in. This is a rebuilding job. One that a catching prospect isn't going to fix overnight.
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Legend [15778]
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Re: Top Baseball Recruit Asks For Release
Jun 9, 2015, 5:15 PM
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Re: Top Baseball Recruit Asks For Release
Jun 9, 2015, 5:15 PM
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The same thing happened in football when Bowden resigned. It appears to me that we got over it.
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Orange Blooded [4504]
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Will be interesting to look back 3 or 4 years from now and
Jun 9, 2015, 5:20 PM
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see where the program is compared to a few weeks ago.
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Legend [16058]
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He was here for a decade...
Jun 10, 2015, 2:41 AM
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3rd winningest coach in Clemson football history, never had a losing record, and only missed the postseason once.
Sounds pretty familiar.
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Legend [16900]
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Re: He was here for a decade...
Jun 10, 2015, 4:49 AM
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He's actually 10th by winning percentage yet had the 3rd longest tenure of any coach so no, your analogy doesn't really hold any water. Tommy was actually kept around too long which the only reason he has those total wins.
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Orange Blooded [4367]
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Re: Top Baseball Recruit Asks For Release
Jun 9, 2015, 5:45 PM
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I want players to come to Clemson because they love Clemson. Wish him well and hope he is not sorry when he finds out who the coach is!!!
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When you make an omelet, you have to break some eggs***
Jun 9, 2015, 5:17 PM
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Re: i never had a hope for an omelet with JL***
Jun 9, 2015, 9:02 PM
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other shoe is dropping...Baseball recruits supposed to show
Jun 9, 2015, 5:28 PM
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up and enroll in 11 days - and won't know who the coach is going to be? About to lose almost the whole class.
DRad got himself in a mess. He better have a rabbit in the hat -
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Legend [15778]
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The question was asked above....how would you have had it
Jun 9, 2015, 5:31 PM
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go down? Not sure that next year was going to be any different than the last 5 with JL...maybe worse considering the draft.
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Legend [17215]
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Exactly - WTH was DRad suppose to do? It sounds like ...
Jun 9, 2015, 7:07 PM
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There were discussions with Leggett regarding what Jack would do differently next year. Apparently DRad, the Boss, did not think JL was willing to change enough to make a significant difference. Hence they parted ways ...
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110%er [6321]
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He must have a high opinion of himself
Jun 9, 2015, 5:28 PM
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“We told the scouts and teams what our expectations were (for a signing bonus) and not to waste a pick if they couldn’t meet it.
I could be wrong ( and probably am) but this kid sounds like an arrogant brat.
Good bye and good luck.
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110%er [5082]
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You are correct - you ARE wrong.***
Jun 9, 2015, 5:29 PM
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I am not sure how it is done in BB, but if it is like FB
Jun 9, 2015, 5:31 PM
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I would not let him out. You commit to a school, not a coach. The coach is not paying your scholly. Plus, this is more of a statement from the kids dad then the kid himself.
Seems like a pissing contest if you ask me.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Nah let him go
Jun 9, 2015, 5:33 PM
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no room for somebody on the roster that doesn't want to be there. Also, he hasn't said for sure he's not coming here, probably just wants to keep his options open.
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110%er [6320]
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See, I would make him honor his commit and then not play him
Jun 9, 2015, 5:34 PM
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but then again, I am a ####.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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That's fine in football with 85 scholarships
Jun 9, 2015, 5:40 PM
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a little harder to justify with the 11.7 you get in baseball
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Re: That's fine in football with 85 scholarships
Jun 9, 2015, 5:41 PM
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True, I did not think of it like that.
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All-American [559]
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Hah definitely not coming here, has been talking trash
Jun 9, 2015, 5:46 PM
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snd giving away all his Clemson stuff ever since Jack got canned.
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Maybe somebody is hiring his dad
Jun 9, 2015, 5:32 PM
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and he wants to go play for him.
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Todd Raleigh
Jun 9, 2015, 5:40 PM
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What has Todd Raleigh done in four years after his four-year tenure at Tennessee?
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All-American [559]
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Not a suprise, kid has been giving away all his Clemson
Jun 9, 2015, 5:42 PM
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gear ever since the news dropped. This is not the typical recruit, he is a family friend of the Leggetts. His dad played for Jack when Jack coached at WCU, and then his dad coached at WCU. Don't think the sky is falling just cause this kid's feelings are hurt. I doubt many other recruits have the loyalty to Jack that Cal has.
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Re: Not a suprise, kid has been giving away all his Clemson
Jun 9, 2015, 5:47 PM
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Calm down everyone....Everything will be alright once our new coaching staff is on board....We'll be better off in the long run!!!! And good recruits will still be coming here!!!!
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All-American [559]
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^^ This guy is calm
Jun 9, 2015, 5:56 PM
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If Dabo got canned and we started dropping recruits I'd be a lil worried. Jack...not so much. Whats the worst that can happen? We suck at baseball still? We've been sucking for a while so can only go up from here.
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Re: Top Baseball Recruit Asks For Release
Jun 9, 2015, 5:46 PM
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So basically he was never committed to Clemson but to a coach... Good luck to you.
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Letterman [281]
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Re: Top Baseball Recruit Asks For Release
Jun 9, 2015, 5:57 PM
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That's the way it usually works, unless you're dealing with a kid who grew up in state and has been indoctrinated since birth. That's why a good recruiter is so important.
> So basically he was never committed to Clemson but to
> a coach... Good luck to you.
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Re: Top Baseball Recruit Asks For Release
Jun 9, 2015, 7:18 PM
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Way too much BS in this thread. The only response needed here is......bye bye, good luck.
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Re: comitted to a coach not the school. Just like some of our posters here!***
Jun 9, 2015, 6:34 PM
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pretty much
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Re: Top Baseball Recruit Asks For Release
Jun 9, 2015, 8:22 PM
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Well young man don't let the the door knob hit ya.
The way the program has been going under Jack, you would not have sniffed the CWS.
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Re: Top Baseball Recruit Asks For Release
Jun 10, 2015, 9:57 AM
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Yeah; because guys like this are just lined up to come play at Clemson. Good Lord!
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Re: Top Baseball Recruit Asks For Release
Jun 9, 2015, 9:14 PM
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Lol i see denial from another side
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Re: Top Baseball Recruit Asks For Release
Jun 10, 2015, 4:04 PM
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Did the sky just fall? I thought I heard something fall. What does it sound like anyway? I want to be ready to run for cover when it happens.
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