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To much KB info that is poorly stated or completely
May 22, 2018, 10:05 AM
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inaccurate.
KB is not a good QB. False.
If an offense is built around RPO with a short, controlled passing game, then KB is more than adequate, he is quite good. One note of point from last year, the lack of a reliable TE target hurt KB's effectiveness. An offense built around KB will by default need to be a controlled RPO game, to account for his strengths and weaknesses. It is not a personal insult to point out his weakness, which is passes over 20 yards.
We can win with KB. Maybe.
If we are playing teams over which we have a clear talent advantage, then yes we can. If we match up with a team that has talent equal to ours particularly on defense, then that defense will be able to expose KB's weaknesses. Rewatch the Bama game last year. Clemson's defense is built around the concept of being able to stretch the defense with (per Chad Morris in his days at CU) 5-7 downfield shots per game. When that is successful then the defense loosens up and our running game and short RPO game (including jet sweeps) is more effective.When it is unsuccessful, the defense stacks the box, limits the run game, and dares KB to beat them deep.
KB limits our offense. True
This is just an opinion, so take it as such, Deon Cain would still be at CU if he was confident someone other than KB would be his QB. KB's inability to consistently throw the deep ball frustrated Deon more than anyone in our offense last year. He was visibly frustrated on multiple occasions last year when he beat his man and KB missed him. Again Clemson's offense is at its best when we can stretch the field. To do that you must be able to hit the deep ball. When we can't we are more preidcatble and thus more easy to stop. One thing that is being overlooked is the necessity to rebuild the TE into the passing game. It opens so much up for us when a TE is a threat that takes a safety away from the defense because they have to be aware of the TE.
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Orange Blooded [3959]
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Re: To much KB info that is poorly stated or completely
May 22, 2018, 10:10 AM
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This I agree with
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Oh boy.this is a strectch..
May 22, 2018, 10:15 AM
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" This is just an opinion, so take it as such, Deon Cain would still be at CU if he was confident someone other than KB would be his QB.KB's inability to consistently throw the deep ball frustrated Deon more than anyone in our offense last year. He was visibly frustrated on multiple occasions last year when he beat his man and KB missed him"
Perhaps, just perhaps there was a reason clemson started playing higgins and Rogers more and more.
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Notice, I did qualify that it was an opinion***
May 22, 2018, 10:20 AM
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I can't justify Cain's failures by attributing it to Bryant.
May 22, 2018, 10:33 AM
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That just doesn't seem mature to me. When a reasonable man is successful he takes credit within and gives others credit in public. When that man fails he takes responsibility for his failure. Deon Cain dropped a lot of passes which he could have caught. Several times he failed to exercise reasonable commitment to pursue the ball. I won't slander him by posting speculation about the root of his problem but I have seen him do better when he was second on the dept chart. It appears he tried harder back then.
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You are correct Deon had his own issues of
May 22, 2018, 10:43 AM
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concentration, maturity or whatever it was. He is a phenomenal athlete with a huge upside, when he matures a little. I have no doubt about that. I just think he felt he didn't have the ability to showcase what he could do, as a break away deep threat without a QB that could make the connection when he did. Again, it is purely an opinion with NO information that I have heard to back it up, which is why I noted it as such. But his frustration when he was open and KB missed him was clearly evident several times last year.
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I disagree - Cain was a 3 year player all along
May 22, 2018, 10:58 AM
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He and Ray Ray came in as 5* players with a plan to go to the league after 3 years. I don't think the QB situation changed anything.
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It was a bit of both. Cain had some consistency issues
May 22, 2018, 11:12 AM
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but Bryant also consistently missed him on deep balls when he was open. I'm placing more of the blame on Bryant though because he had consistency and drop issues all 3 years at Clemson, but his YPC average was stellar with Watson at QB and pretty mediocre with Bryant under center.
2015 - 17.1 YPC 2016 - 19.1 YPC 2017 - 12.7 YPC
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Re: To much KB info that is poorly stated or completely
May 22, 2018, 10:17 AM
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Well said, I can agree with all of this. Best post ive read on this matter the last couple of days.
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Oculus Spirit [93650]
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I agree with some of your opinions on Bryant.
May 22, 2018, 10:22 AM
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I agree that he is a good QB. Poor QBs don't end up in the playoff. He isn't a very good passer at any distance because he doesn't control his body he tries to adjust horizontal and vertical distance with his arm and sometimes he decided whether to run or hand the ball off before the snap. Often he is wrong.
I understand that passing routes are no usually perfect because of good defenders and defenses may show one set and alter them as the ball is snapped. But really?
Alabama was the best team in the country last year. Clemson wasn't and I don't put all the blame Bryant for all of our failures on the field. The truth is that it takes a QB like Watson to beat a team with a defense like Alabama's. Bryant is not the man to do that. I believe and hope that Lawrence is. He appears to be as good or better than Watson was during the first year.
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