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Like him or not, Lebron James is phenomenal.
Jun 7, 2015, 10:43 PM
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Irving, pg, and Love, center/forward, out amd he is carrying this team. Just like he has with every NBA team every year he has played.
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Re: Like him or not, Lebron James is phenomenal.
Jun 7, 2015, 11:00 PM
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Yea I never understood why people don't like him...I guess bc he's one of the greatest ever and I get the decision didn't sit well but leaving was a good decision to me...I mean they weren't giving him anything to work with his first stint in Cleveland and he deserved a ring...so he came back after getting a couple. The fact that this team is competitive in the finals is absolutely miraculous ...and I'm not starting the lebron vs jordan argument bc that's just dumb but the people that are the first to say he wouldn't have anything on jordan are very ignorant imo...Jordans teams were ten times better than what he's worked with his entire career with the cavs
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Re: Like him or not, Lebron James is phenomenal.
Jun 7, 2015, 11:02 PM
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I would watch the NHL any day of the week over the NBA, In the NHL there is no favoritism by the refs. The NBA is a joke. If the refs in the NBA called the game evenly Lebron would have 2/3 the points he has most would be lost with offensive fouls or travels and he would foul out about a third of his games.
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Re: Like him or not, Lebron James is phenomenal.
Jun 7, 2015, 11:10 PM
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Nhl....haha said no one ever. Lol and that's not favoritism there's no such thing as a travel it's not lebron only lol if anything lebron takes alot of contact and doesn't get calls that are called on other people bc he's so big and strong
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speaking of calling a game fairly maybe you
Jun 7, 2015, 11:19 PM
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Should tune into the finals...those were three of the worst no calls on lebron iv ever seen ... that just cost them...even every announcer couldn't believe it...so yea it goes em both ways
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Horrible No Calls***
Jun 7, 2015, 11:37 PM
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Re: speaking of calling a game fairly maybe you
Jun 8, 2015, 8:42 AM
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The first one he changed his pivot foot twice and walked a mile so it was actually a good no call.
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Re: Like him or not, Lebron James is phenomenal.
Jun 8, 2015, 10:55 AM
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> I would watch the NHL any day of the week over the
> NBA, In the NHL there is no favoritism by the refs.
> The NBA is a joke. If the refs in the NBA called
> d the game evenly Lebron would have 2/3 the points he
> has most would be lost with offensive fouls or
> travels and he would foul out about a third of his
> games.
Maybe you should try watching some games so you can have a more-educated opinion.
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He definitley eased up it seemed on that
Jun 8, 2015, 11:01 AM
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classic arm/swim like move he does that basically shoves the defender out of the way which should be an offensive foul. That move was out of hand in Game 1.
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I don't disagree, but would love to have seen him play
Jun 7, 2015, 11:54 PM
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before palming, 3-4 step traveling, and 90% of fouls were completely ignored. His athletic ability is undeniable, but I still don't know how good of a basketball player he is.
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Anyone that uses the term palming is not a bball fan.***
Jun 7, 2015, 11:57 PM
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LOL!***
Jun 7, 2015, 11:59 PM
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Re: Anyone that uses the term palming is not a bball fan.***
Jun 8, 2015, 9:34 AM
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Wouldn't go as far to question their fanhood, but I agree it's an overblown thing that reminds me of what guys in the 60s would say.
There's literally no way for 7' men with 12" hands who are running that fast to dribble a basketball with a slapping motion. Physically impossible.
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It makes no difference - the rule is what it is - the ball
Jun 8, 2015, 11:31 AM
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can't come to rest in the hand while dribbling. I don't give a flying fluk how big a guys hands are, the rule has not changed. Simply choosing to ignore the rule is a horseshite excuse. You're right, the rule was enforced in the 60s, and there is no reason it shouldn't be now. I can't think of a good reason for any rule not to be enforced as it is written. Simply choosing to ignore a rule, for example, because guys have big hands, is ludicrous. What has happened, over time, is that players have gradually pushed the envelope with regards to fouls/physical play, palming (or carrying, to prove my true fandom), and traveling, and gutless refs have allowed it, with the result being a game that looks more and more like a gang war and less and less like the great game of basketball. If these rules are simply to be ignored, or so randomly enforced that it becomes a joke, then why not just go ahead and change them and allow 3 full steps with the ball, or better yet, just do away with dribbling altogether and allow the players to run with the ball like running backs, and allow defenders to tackle them, because that's where it's headed.
I admit, it's a matter of preference, but I prefer basketball as it was intended, and as the rules dictate, which is a great team sport which rewards teamwork and skill over raw individual athleticism. Am I a grumpy old man who hates change and constantly complains because things aren't the way they used to be? Generally no, not at all; in fact, most things are a lot better today than they used to be, but basketball ain't one of 'em.
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Re: It makes no difference - the rule is what it is - the ball
Jun 8, 2015, 12:49 PM
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Again, physically impossible. The only reason it didn't happen in the 60's is because your guards weren't 6'3"-6'9" back then.
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No, it's not physically impossible for a player with huge
Jun 8, 2015, 3:12 PM
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hands to dribble properly and within the rules, that's ridiculous, but so what if it is? If so, they shouldn't be dribbling. It's that simple. But that's not the reason it's so prevelant today anyway, it's simply the gradual erosion of the fundamentals and bending of the rules due to poor officiating and fear to properly enforce the rules.
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Dude takes as many shots as Kobe
Jun 8, 2015, 1:04 AM
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33 shots tonight - 39 points
yes Im a hater
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And who would you suggest that he pass it to and trust
Jun 8, 2015, 7:46 AM
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on this lineup..LOL come on the guy has twice as much pressure to get it done himself bc he is not on a great team with shooters....Tristan Thompson is a great offensive rebounder and good defender but he may be the worst scorer in the NBA...everyone else is streaky. you can hate all you want (most people do hate greatness) but you cant deny that this is unbelievable that he has this team in the finals much less battling to even win it. On top of that its not just his points that make him great there has never been a better pass in the NBA and he makes guys like Shumpert JR Mosgov better..i mean these guys were dead before they came to Cleveland
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Re: And who would you suggest that he pass it to and trust
Jun 8, 2015, 8:27 AM
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Lebron James just beat the reigning MVP on his home court dropping a triple double along the way. Got to find something to hang in I guess.
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Re: And who would you suggest that he pass it to and trust
Jun 8, 2015, 8:47 AM
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I just don't understand why people dislike the guy..hes not even cocky or anything...like I said the way the decision was handled was not great but it was marketing I am sure that wasn't ALL his decision to do that...and if that's why you don't like the guy people are just looking for a reason... I agree he took a way less talented team and willed them to victory over one of the most talented rosters on the road... its actually kind of sad that people don't realize what they are seeing...and when he is done I think they will...and in a few year when we are still talking about his playoff numbers.
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16 assists.. He made some bad decisions
Jun 8, 2015, 8:54 AM
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playing heavy isolation bball down the 4th quarter stretch, but who exactly should he be passing to?
Also, even Curry was like 20 shots 17 pts.. 2 best defenses in the league playing, and the shooting stats reflected that.
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They don't have any other options. This is a real NBA
Jun 8, 2015, 8:55 AM
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finals starting lineup:
Timofey Mosgov
Tristan Thompson
Lebron James
Iman Shumpert
Matthew Dellavedova
James Jones and JR Smith round out the 7 man rotation. I don't really even know what to say about it. That's probably the worst finals roster I've ever seen, aside from Lebron.
What is your plan with that lineup? Thompson is a rebounder, he has no offensive game outside of put backs. Shumpert and Dellavedova are closer to defensive specialists than anything, neither are going to provide much offense, and neither can create anything on their own. Mosgov is a decent center. JR Smith can provide some offense with his shooting, but he really needs to be set up, and he's also streaky as hell.
So how do you win with that lineup? You slow the game down, take advantage of your strong defense and rebounding (because that's all you have), and you run the offense through James. You iso him and and let him either shoot or find an open man when he gets double or triple teamed. That's the only way those other guys on the Cavs are going to be able to reliably score since none can create anything on their own. Did Lebron have a great shooting night? No. But not many guys are going to put up really efficient numbers when the other team knows what's coming and can dedicate everything to stopping it.
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Re: They don't have any other options. This is a real NBA
Jun 8, 2015, 8:57 AM
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Mosgov is more than decent and Blatt almost cost them another game by not playing him late in the game.
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That's what you choose to refute in my post? OK he's an
Jun 8, 2015, 9:01 AM
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above average center. Happy now? LOL
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Re: They don't have any other options. This is a real NBA
Jun 8, 2015, 9:10 AM
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Mosgov and TT don't get nearly the respect they deserve. Thompson has played great and JR Smith can light it up when he's on. I'm a LeBron fan but the no calls went both ways. They let them play through a ton of contact last night which I personally like. It's much better than them calling fouls on everything.
Also, like already said, LeBron has only been negatively looked at in the spotlight because of the horrendous way he handled going to Miami. He does tons of charitable work, is a great family man who loves his kids and wife, and he doesn't get arrested or do stupid stuff.
With that being said the story, no matter who wins, is just awesome. You either got LeBron coming home and winning Cleveland a championship finally or little Stephen Curry who was told he wasn't big enough to ever play winning the MVP and a championship for GS.
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I'm not denying that those guys are good players.
Jun 8, 2015, 9:21 AM
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Thompson is right up there with Hassan Whiteside as one of the best rebounders in the league. I'm just saying that this Cleveland lineup is extremely offensively challenged outside of James and *maybe* JR Smith if he's having a good night. The criticism of LBJ is focused on his shooting numbers and how much he had the ball, but what else can they really do offensively?
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Re: I'm not denying that those guys are good players.
Jun 8, 2015, 9:30 AM
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With no Love to stretch the floor or the shooting/dishing ability of Irving, LBJ has no choice but to try to take the game into his hands. Makes what he's doing that much more impressive. He's having to take high volume shots and play tons of minutes. The problem is you can tell he's getting gassed at the end of the games and the longer this series goes the tougher it's going to be on him. Let's not forget that Curry was just off last night too. Delly is an underrated defensive player but Steph had an off night. That doesn't happen much.
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Re: Like him or not, Lebron James is phenomenal.
Jun 8, 2015, 8:41 AM
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Delly was the reason they won that game.
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Re: Like him or not, Lebron James is phenomenal.
Jun 8, 2015, 8:49 AM
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People called me an idiot when I said losing Irving was not going to hurt as much as long as guys like JR stepped up bc Della is a much better one on one defender...hes slow off of picks but he was all over curry all night. I think Lebrons triple double had a little something to do with the outcome as well  LOL
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Re: Like him or not, Lebron James is phenomenal.
Jun 8, 2015, 8:51 AM
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I would hope someone would have a triple double when they take nearly 40 shots and they constantly have the ball.
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What else would you suggest for them offensively?***
Jun 8, 2015, 9:00 AM
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Jun 8, 2015, 9:06 AM
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You sure are getting defensive... Where did I say that they should do something differently.
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I just think it's silly Lebron is getting criticized. I
Jun 8, 2015, 9:14 AM
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guess that's just the standard he's set, but how many players would do better in his position? He just won a road Finals game against one of the top 10 teams (statistically) in NBA history, in the toughest arena in basketball. I think the Warriors had lost 3 home games all season prior to last night.
But his shooting numbers weren't great and they had a couple of bad possessions late in the game where Lebron ended up taking bad shots, so everyone seems to focus on that. And I'm really not directing that at you specifically.
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Re: I just think it's silly Lebron is getting criticized. I
Jun 8, 2015, 9:19 AM
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Holy crap where am I criticizing Lebron he had a great game. I simply said I would hope he had a triple double with the amount of time the ball is in his hands.
All i have said is that Delly deserves a TON of credit for that win as well.
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Well i was responding to this comment earlier:
Jun 8, 2015, 9:23 AM
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"I would hope someone would have a triple double when they take nearly 40 shots and they constantly have the ball."
But i also said in my last post that i wasn't talking about you specifically.
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Re: I just think it's silly Lebron is getting criticized. I
Jun 8, 2015, 11:07 AM
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you are exactly right...im almost tired of arguing with people over him....they have no reason to dislike him and the numbers don't lie. What I always say is I have listend to Charles Barkley Shaq and Kenny constantly say he is one of the greatest if not the greatest by the time he is done to play and they played with Jordan during that era...most people that argue the Jordan crap don't even remember watching him play LOL
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He is the best in this particular era
Jun 8, 2015, 11:12 AM
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and an all time great but a Jordan he is not. Different time, different era, different rules, different talent, different player....I would argue those on Lebron's jock are probably the ones that never saw Jordan play. Kenny, Charles, and Shaq got a league to promote and its star to promote.
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Re: He is the best in this particular era
Jun 8, 2015, 11:27 AM
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This is my argument for when people are talking about who is the greatest. Jordan and James play in 2 different eras. The game has changed since then. James may match Jordan in rings one day and as much as I like LBJ I don't see it happening. That 97'-98' Bulls team was one of the greatest line ups in history. Closest James has had to a team that all around good was in Miami.
Kobe may be the closest thing to Jordan to come along. He imitated MJ the best he could.
LeBron James is a physical freak that was blessed genetically. As far as the GOAT goes, the debate will go on for a long long time. Love him or hate him LBJ deserves to be in the conversation as the GOAT.
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I think it is vastly overblown what kind of talent
Jun 8, 2015, 11:37 AM
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Jordan had around him besides Pippen and an older Rodman. Kukoc would do his thing too time to time. Otherwise, he had very solid role players like Kerr, Grant, etc. and lets not forget Jordan had to forge a path through a talented Eastern Conference. This Lebron era once Boston and the Big 3 got old is garbage. Just garbage....
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Re: I think it is vastly overblown what kind of talent
Jun 8, 2015, 11:41 AM
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Don't discredit Rodman or Pippen. Both are probably two of the best defenders to ever play in the league.
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Would never discredit those guys....
Jun 8, 2015, 11:51 AM
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Jordan had help. Every great had help when it comes to team sports. Pippen didn't do too bad leading the Bulls the year Jordan quit.
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Re: He is the best in this particular era
Jun 8, 2015, 11:36 AM
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exactly so that same argument can be made for Lebron...Jordan to me is probable the best ever but Lebron is right there if not maybe better by the time he is completely done as far as raw talent and athleticism...but you can also say the league has changed for Lebron too...the league is ten times tougher and deeper as far as talent today than it was then...and the guys are quicker and stronger.
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LOL......
Jun 8, 2015, 12:01 PM
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Listen. Better athletics has nothing to do with better basketball SKILLS. We are about to enter that territory where you tell me Wilt Chamberlain would be "allright" if he played today, "pretty decent" but the likes of Andrew Bogut or Al Horford would give him trouble compared to Russell. "ten times tougher and deeper".....smh.
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Re: LOL......
Jun 8, 2015, 12:16 PM
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I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that Bogut would give Wilt trouble. I don't care what Era he played in Wilt would never be classified as an OK player. He is an all timer for a reason. Plus, no one's ever breaking that 100 point game record.
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Agree.....
Jun 8, 2015, 12:31 PM
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That mess about the athleticism being better translates automatically to better basketball players drives me batty. You still have to have the IQ and skill to put it in the basket. And heck, give those old timers the access to the medical and athletic training advances that have been made throughout time....that era comparison gets complicated.
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I tend to agree with the theory that the greats of that era
Jun 8, 2015, 3:57 PM
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would still be great today because they would have access to the same information, technology, private jets, and state of the art facilities that the modern players have.
I don't know if Wilt, specifically, would be as dominant though because his size was truly revolutionary at the time, and there were very few players that could even come close to matching up with him physically. The same isn't true today. I do think he would still be great, i just don't think he would be able to dominate to the tune of 100 pts and all of that. Probably wouldn't get 20,000 women either.
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Re: He is the best in this particular era
Jun 8, 2015, 11:39 AM
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He is no Jordan to be sure. The thing is Lebron doesn't have to be Jordan to be the best basketball player ever. As it stands right now there is no threat from Lebron to pass Jordan as the best scorer of all time. But if Lebron wins this Finals the debates will start, with real accomplishments being compared, as to who is the better all-time great.
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What ? 6-0 in the Finals vs 3-3?
Jun 8, 2015, 11:46 AM
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It woulda been 8-0 if two dumbarses didn't kill Jordan's father. The book isn't fully written on Lebron. I get that. He is a great player.
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Re: What ? 6-0 in the Finals vs 3-3?
Jun 8, 2015, 11:51 AM
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So Lebron will be penalized in your mind for getting to the finals more but Jordan won't for failing to get there more than the 6 times he did.
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Jordan had to fight wars to finally get to the
Jun 8, 2015, 11:55 AM
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Finals and stay there, and against better talent. Lebron went to South Beach. The Eastern Conference blows. What part of this are you having trouble with? Jordan in this era of the Eastern Conference with his teams starting in say 1988 or 89? It woulda been 10 straight Finals.
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He's definitely a better defender than Kyrie, but if Irving
Jun 8, 2015, 8:59 AM
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was healthy he would still be a really big upgrade. He provides a 2nd really good offensive weapon that GSW has to respect, and he can take some of the offensive burden off of James. Right now Cleveland can only do 1 thing on offense, and that's ISO Lebron and let him either shoot or pass out of the doubles/triples.
Dellavedova has been very good though. I'm not trying to take that away from him. Disagree he's the biggest reason they won the game though. Without Lebron Cleveland has no chance. They would probably score 60 pts.
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Re: He's definitely a better defender than Kyrie, but if Irving
Jun 8, 2015, 9:09 AM
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And without Delly defense Curry doesnt have nearly as bad of a game.
You cant have it both ways. Delly played a tremendous game and scored.
Delly was +15 for the game last night while Irving was +5 in the first game.
Not to mention he is the guy with the clutch offensive rebound that help win it.
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Who would you take for game 3 if both were 100% healthy?***
Jun 8, 2015, 9:15 AM
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Better question is why do you have to pick one? They can
Jun 8, 2015, 9:16 AM
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both play at the same time.
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Well if they had 4 kneecaps between the 2 of them they
Jun 8, 2015, 9:23 AM
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could both play at the same time, but alas... 
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Re: He's definitely a better defender than Kyrie, but if Irving
Jun 8, 2015, 11:11 AM
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I never said he was the reason I just said it wouldn't hurt the Cavs as much as people thought..90 % of people thought it was over when he went down. Look at the two games...yea with Della you need to rely more on JR and Shumpert and Mosgov but that's how it should be....he is defending Curry at a whole different level so hes not getting about 12 points he usually would if not more which makes up for the offense if you get it elsewhere. Irving scored more and could get to the rim but he also was not near as good on the ball defender and Curry was shooting all over him. I realize Curry may not have that kind of night but Della is a very frustrating defender and I think he got the best of Curry... James needs to have 35 points to win but I think he can do it...that's why hes taking so many shots and early to get the team going and keep them in it then rely on some big shots from Smith etc
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The wrong guy got the MVP. LeBron is proving he is the man.
Jun 8, 2015, 9:52 AM
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Losing two starters and still wins on the best home floor in the league.
Great game, as was the first one. Should be up 2-0.
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Re: The wrong guy got the MVP. LeBron is proving he is the man.
Jun 8, 2015, 3:50 PM
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The right guy got the MVP. If Curry got anywhere near the leniency that the refs allow the traveling, flying forearms and phantom fouls Curry would be way ahead.
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He is the best player in the League
Jun 8, 2015, 10:09 AM
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With his supporting cast right now, without Love and Kyrie, a 4-0 sweep from the Warriors wouldn't have been a surprise. The win last night was the result of an incredible effort from James and great team defense.
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It would be amazing if the Cavs could win the Finals minus
Jun 8, 2015, 10:26 AM
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2 All-Stars, but that mountain is too tall. If it does happen, that would cement LeBron's legacy as the greatest ever.
Could you imagine Larry Bird without McHale and DJ having this kind of success against the Lakers?
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117 can say whatever he wants, but you just can't deny
Jun 8, 2015, 10:39 AM
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that last night was probably one of James' best performances of his career. Delly did an amazing job frustrating Curry, who missed every shot he took when Delly guarded him in the half court. Yes, that's a big factor in the win. But the triple double was incredible, especially when he was doubled all night long against the best defensive team in the League who just happened to only lose 3 times in Oracle all year.
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Re: 117 can say whatever he wants, but you just can't deny
Jun 8, 2015, 10:40 AM
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Good lord guys.... Just because IMO Delly had a tremendous impact on the game doesnt mean I dont think Lebron was great as well.
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"Delly was the reason they won that game."
Jun 8, 2015, 10:44 AM
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This comment doesn't mean that Delly had a tremendous impact on the game, it means that he was THE reason they won that game.
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Re: "Delly was the reason they won that game."
Jun 8, 2015, 11:09 AM
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and IMO he was....
They lose if Curry is not pestered and defended like he was all game.
Lebron getting his was no different than game 1. Lebron is a freak. The big difference is Curry went from scoring 26 on 10-20 to scoring 19 on 5-23. He also had two more turnovers and three less assists.
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I agree with most of that
Jun 8, 2015, 11:13 AM
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although LeBron getting his was very different than Game 1 since Kyrie was out. It's a lot easier to run ISO with Irving spotting up than with Delly running the point, who is not a threat to score.
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Re: I agree with most of that
Jun 8, 2015, 11:20 AM
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I didnt see much a difference they still had JR Smith and Shumpert hanging out around the perimeter looking for kick outs.
The biggest thing I dont understand with Cleveland is why do they keep taking Mosgov out of the game.
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He can't play every minute
Jun 8, 2015, 12:09 PM
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Plus GS keeps going small and when the Cavs don't follow suit they can't spread the floor enough. The Warriors are kind of a different animal and it's hard to keep guys like Timofey in for extended stretches.
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He was missing everything towards the
Jun 8, 2015, 10:44 AM
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end of the game and into OT except that big 3 pointer. Great performance up until then but Delly bailed out Lebron and all those gawdawful decisions by JR Smith.
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How many minutes did he play while being
Jun 8, 2015, 10:50 AM
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double teamed all night? Getting drilled in the face and having some big no-calls down the stretch? That 3 was a huge basket.
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Nobody is denying he had a big game.
Jun 8, 2015, 10:58 AM
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Merely pointing out he was like 2 out of 11 from the fourth quarter on while splitting most of his free throw chances.....Curry sucked and Draymond Green decided to finally show up in the OT I believe. Klay Thompson kind of fell out of the game plan too towards the end. Those refs were sucking. I was impressed how Lebron took that inbounds pass and walked nearly three steps before dribbling and nothing was called, lol, and the feisty GS crowd seemed to miss it too.
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Klay Thompson helped send it to OT
Jun 8, 2015, 11:10 AM
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But the Cavs started defending him differently in the 2nd half, especially the 4th quarter. He started getting frustrated and rushing his shots early in the possession. James splitting free throws is a big problem and it's fortunate it didn't cost the game.
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Yeah I don't understand why people hate him
Jun 8, 2015, 11:36 AM
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by all accounts he's a great guy off the court, does lots of charity work, and is generally friendly.
On the other hand, people absolutely love Michael Jordan, and from what I understand he's a serious jerk in real life. (Plus he was doing that whole Pete Rose thing)
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I think it's still the whole "decision" thing, and people
Jun 8, 2015, 11:54 AM
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also like to hold the move to Miami to play with Wade and Bosh against him. "Well Jordan never had to leave Chicago to win a championship. Magic and Byrd never left to play with better players." Well good for them, they were fortunate enough to be drafted by franchises that could put elite talent around them. It was also a different era, particularly when Magic and Byrd were winning titles. The situation in Cleveland during Lebron's first stint there was pathetic. He gave them ample time to build something around him and they couldn't do it.
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Re: I think it's still the whole "decision" thing, and people
Jun 8, 2015, 4:14 PM
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Exactly. Jordan had Pippin, Grant, Rodman, and Kerr on those teams. Lebron's early years in Cleveland his best teammate's were Verejao and (briefly) an aging Shaq.
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G, 74 posts, I posted one day on the same topic
Jun 8, 2015, 1:35 PM
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And 2 people responded and pretended they had never heard of the NBA. Funny how everyone's weighing in now.
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