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NYC officer chokes out guy even after it’s made illegal
Jul 16, 2020, 12:02 PM
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3 guys having a verbal altercation with the poe poe, then they grabbed the blk dude and choked him out.
Another officer pulled the cop off him as he briefly went out. NYC had already banned the choke holds ...
https://youtu.be/N4h8HJP3cBw
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and was apparently suspended?***
Jul 16, 2020, 12:04 PM
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Re: and was apparently suspended?***
Jul 16, 2020, 12:13 PM
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Yup. You can bet, everything is gonna be filmed now more than ever. And the depts will move at warp speed
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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which seems like a good thing...
Jul 16, 2020, 12:15 PM
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for both sides
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Oculus Spirit [93604]
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The perpetrators determine the level of violence.
Jul 16, 2020, 12:22 PM
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One of us attacking a cop is going to get the same treatment he would get if he attacked anyone else. If someone steps up he should expect a beatdown. Pull a stick, cops pull their tasers, pull a knife the cop might pull his pistol. Pull a pistol and you better pull the trigger before the cops draws his and puts you down.
You are constantly criticizing cops and pointing out they are fallalable but you miss the obvious, they are human. You're trying to dehumanize police while they are getting their aszes kicked in the streets.
Of the thousands and thousands of traffic stops you find half a dozen and try to apply that bad behavior to all cops. That is not honest.
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Are you also on board with
Jul 16, 2020, 12:35 PM
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an unarmed teacher beating the #### out of a high school senior because they smarted off to him/her?
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Sounds like you’re on board with priests molesting children.***
Jul 16, 2020, 12:37 PM
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Re: Are you also on board with
Jul 16, 2020, 12:37 PM
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I would pay to watch a high school senior, whom you teach, but hate....rake your face across the parking lot.
I know that is mean, but again, just being honest.
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Ah,... so punkish.***
Jul 16, 2020, 12:59 PM
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That's over the line man.
Jul 16, 2020, 3:55 PM
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I don't want any permanent scarring on a man's face. sheesh.
Can the high schooler just put 4 or 5 bars of soap in a pillow case and beat him for about 15 minutes?
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I’m on board with
Jul 16, 2020, 3:38 PM
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an unarmed teacher beating the #### out of a high school senior because they tried to take a swing at said teacher.
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Oculus Spirit [93604]
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I'm on board with 4th grade teachers...
Jul 16, 2020, 3:54 PM
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tearing their little butts up with a paddle and making them understand that disrespect of any adult is unacceptable. If parents can't or don't do that at home it's going to be a chore. By the time they get to high school it's too late to teach them manners.
If one of my kids talked back to a teacher or anyone in authority getting the butts whipped by a teacher was the best thing that could happen to them. I don't envy anyone who teaches in this day and age.
I talk a lot of chit about teachers but the truth is, I owe my life to a 7th grade geometry teacher, Ms Lyons who taught me there was math I could love. I struggle to put numbers in order. It's some type of dyslexia which is non traditional and doesn't quite fit the typical profile of the disease.
So yeah, I'd be OK if a teacher roughed my kids or grandkids up for disrespecting them but a child should never be struck anywhere but the rump and never struck with the hand. God gave us our hands to serve our children, to protect them and provide the love on which they thrive.
When children have no boundaries they know they aren't loved. The don't think it or realize it so much as they understand it somewhere deep inside. They know no one cares enough to set them straight. Sad, sad, sad to have a nation with so many kids unloved.
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Re: The perpetrators determine the level of violence.
Jul 16, 2020, 12:36 PM
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What you said is simply not true. I’m just posting what is happening. If you feel I’m not giving equal time then ok. There are a ton of cops doing the right thing daily and I applaud them for that. But isn’t what we pay them to do?
I get the escalation of force and when it’s appropriate you won’t hear a peep out of me. In this case there was no reason, that I could see from the body cam... and I watched 3 different videos, of why they grabbed this guy in the 1st place, other than their egos were getting bruised verbally . That would fall under freedom of speech. Then to use a banned maneuver on him. Perhaps you should ask why My posting such tho ha bothers you so much
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not having seen all 3 videos, was it possible for the
Jul 16, 2020, 12:40 PM
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black guy to walk away? Or would the cops have stayed on his ###?
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Re: not having seen all 3 videos, was it possible for the
Jul 16, 2020, 1:08 PM
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I think this is the biggest disconnect with some of you and how you think policing should work.
Of course it would have been easier if the guys had not gotten verbal or walked away. Not so fast tho! Do they have to walk away tho? Are they breaking the law, any law by getting verbal? Nope. Maybe just maybe a disturbing the piece can be trumped up, but the only person being disturbed is the officers. Some of you think your and my rights are based on being nice. Which I’d agree being mice is better, but your/my constitutional rights don’t start with “if they say please” or not. The same rights apply to the nicest guy or the biggest a$$hole. The cops can’t just start grabbing up people that do t do what they say.... it’s just wrong!
I recall watching the NYC chief say in an interview about how great his force was and how they disregard people that call them names, taught and carry on. You and I both know that’s BS and some of you are all for it. Kinda shocking really
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Re: How would you have handled it as a cop?***
Jul 16, 2020, 1:13 PM
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Easiest question yet today. I’ve seen my buddy walk away from people obviously trying to get him riled up with names and stuff. So long as there’s no treats it’s just names and talk. You must realize some people are purposely doing this, for a payday. And your tax money is paying for this type of stuff. Often times nothing happens to the officers and they don’t even realize what happened.
So to answer you. I’d say have a great day and I’d go try to stop some actual
Criminals
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So to you the name calling was the issue?
Jul 16, 2020, 1:35 PM
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Because the cops were responding to a call about the guy. Do you think they should have arrived, determined that the guy wasn’t a threat to anyone and left?
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Re: So to you the name calling was the issue?
Jul 16, 2020, 1:48 PM
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I’ve heard this “ of the cops were called “ on here a bunch. I’m not sure what y’all think that changes in these scenarios. Understand the only way to cope can detain and arrest you if you are breaking the law or have reasonable suspicion that a law has been broken or will be. Even a call can’t be used as suspicious unless there is a law being broken in said call. Now I heard some stuff about a call, but not sure what was said exactly. And if he did break a law then by all means ... up to the illegal choke. There is no evidence from what I saw that he did
Cope have a duty to investigate, but contrary to popular belief on here that’s limited scope. They can ask for your ID, you don’t have to give it (unless ur in a stop and ID state). They can tell you to move on, you don’t have to if you’re in a public place not breaking any laws.
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No no no. The cops were called so they should do their
Jul 16, 2020, 3:35 PM
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job and investigate, yes?
And then they find this man screaming and acting aggressive. What did they arrest him for? Some sort of disorderly conduct? Do you know? Is that an arrestable offense or not? If so, do you think they were doing their duty or not? I mean...cops often can tell if someone is just a loud mouth or if someone might be ready to pop. Do you think they were doing their duty by bring this guy into custody, or do you just think their feelings were hurt so they arrested him for no reason, because that's something cops do all the time in your world?
I'm just asking, because, you know...
https://abc7ny.com/david-afanador-ricky-bellevue-nypd-chokehold-police/6305259/#:~:text=Ricky%20Bellevue%2C%2035%2C%20is%20accused,take%20one%20of%20their%20bags.
So do cops have a duty to protect citizens when someone is breaking the law, or not? If they let him go, who are you blaming for the crime he commits, if he does? I'm guessing that would ALSO be the cops' fault?
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Re: No no no. The cops were called so they should do their
Jul 16, 2020, 3:57 PM
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I have not seen that video, and other videos say there were no charges at all.
As I side before, if he broke the law then he needs to be arrested. If it’s just talking then not so much. Still the chokehold was uncalled for
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As I linked below, he was charged with Disorderly Conduct.
Jul 16, 2020, 4:04 PM
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You may assume that's a trumped-up charge. Maybe it is. I don't know. I wasn't there. You don't know either. But as I show above, it wasn't too much longer that the guy robbed someone while wielding a box cutter. So he appears to be somewhat violent and somewhat dangerous. The cops on the scene responded to a request for help (because that's what cops do, unless leftists demand they stay out), assessed the man and they determined he was a public nuisance that needed to be handled. I'm sure there are 100s of instances where police are called, they determine that the caller overreacted and they ask the guy if he could keep it down and leave. In this instance that didn't happen, and I'm inclined to trust their judgment, considering the guy committed armed robbery not a month later.
Whether the choke hold was uncalled for or not is irrelevant. It's clearly prohibited now by NYC guidelines, so yes...suspension without pay seems reasonable.
But, onward with your single-minded crusade.
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Re: As I linked below, he was charged with Disorderly Conduct.
Jul 16, 2020, 4:20 PM
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Lol ok
I think that’s the issue here. To often some are inclined to believe the cops and take prior or later actions of the subject to double down on it.
The officers seem to be in a verbal argument for some time with these 2. Then 1 cop said the guy “flexed” on them and for safety reasons they took him down. Again, I don’t know if he’s a good guy or bad guy.
The choke is hardly irrelevant. And I bet the cop is fired as he should be
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I didn’t say the choke hold was irrelevant. I said
Jul 16, 2020, 4:32 PM
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whether or not it was called for is irrelevant.
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Re: NYC officer chokes out guy even after it’s made illegal
Jul 16, 2020, 12:48 PM
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This URL is still on my clipboard  ">
https://youtu.be/OEvMc-K8XHY
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Re: NYC officer chokes out guy even after it’s made illegal
Jul 16, 2020, 1:18 PM
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Yay for satire. Love me some Chris Rock
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Re: NYC officer chokes out guy even after it’s made illegal
Jul 16, 2020, 2:16 PM
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Why is it so hard no not resist arrest. Commit crime, cop tries to arrest you and you resist. You deserve whatever happens
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Re: NYC officer chokes out guy even after it’s made illegal
Jul 16, 2020, 2:37 PM
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What crime was committed?
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