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All-In [26968]
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"Muslim ban" supporters, please enlighten me.
Feb 24, 2016, 12:29 PM
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I do not understand this.
How do you go about "banning Muslim immigration"?
How do you know which people are Muslim? Do you ask them? If you're counting on them to be honest, why not just ask them "Do you intend to commit a terrorist act?"
What about the people already in the US who are Muslim. Are they OK? Are only Muslims who currently are not in the US a problem?
What about people converting to Islam? Should this be allowed? Are only people who have always been Muslim a problem?
You could ban immigration from certain countries. But you can't ban individuals based on their beliefs, just from a pure practical standpoint! Right? If I'm wrong, tell me how.
I'm flabbergasted how this would be actual policy. And this is coming from someone who views Islam as a false and inherently bad religion.
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None of that answers any of my questions.
Feb 24, 2016, 12:34 PM
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I did not ask whether or not Muslims were currently discriminated against.
My questions are questions of practicality. Since it's apparently already being done, can you tell me how? How do they know which ones to ban?
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Re: None of that answers any of my questions.
Feb 24, 2016, 12:36 PM
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The article will tell you that....
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The only sentence I found that might shed light:
Feb 24, 2016, 12:38 PM
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"The National Security Entry-Exit Registration System program, implemented after the 9/11 attacks, mandated that all non-immigrant males from 24 Muslim-majority countries (and North Korea) register with the government."
Is this it? Ban people from certain countries?
If I'm missing something, can you please copy and paste the portion of the article you're referring to?
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Re: The only sentence I found that might shed light:
Feb 24, 2016, 2:42 PM
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Don't make jhop think critically about anything. That's cruel.
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Re: "Muslim ban" supporters, please enlighten me.
Feb 24, 2016, 12:32 PM
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smell their left hand and check their foreskin in the immigration line I guess.
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show them a cartoon drawing of Muhammed
Feb 24, 2016, 12:34 PM
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and see if they try to kill you.
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Re: "Muslim ban" supporters, please enlighten me.
Feb 24, 2016, 2:16 PM
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Most people were upset that Trump talked about a "list" needed off all immigrants. They do need to be put on a register and really this is done anyway. We are all on a list and registered. The IRS knows every detail about my life.
I do not think anyone is saying they are not allowed. It's saying let's put a moratorium out there on certain countries until we can properly vet and truly count and register who is coming into the Country.
I think your questions are not even truly irrelevant cause no one is saying don't let anyone in that is Muslim.
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From his press release
Feb 24, 2016, 2:28 PM
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"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on"
Nothing about countries there, just a statement about banning people of a certain religion. It certainly makes Prodigal's question relevant.
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Re: From his press release
Feb 24, 2016, 2:36 PM
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Did you read your own quote?
"Until our Country's Representatives can figure out what is going on."
Exactly what I said. A moratorium until we can vet everyone properly and figure out who they are and their motives for being here. We should be bringing people who have the ability to contribute and can contribute.
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Re: From his press release
Feb 24, 2016, 2:37 PM
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and want to contribute. My bad.
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A moratorium on what? Muslims?
Feb 24, 2016, 2:44 PM
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How? This is the point of my questions.
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Re: A moratorium on what? Muslims?
Feb 24, 2016, 2:48 PM
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Country of origin and asking them their religion. Look at family history and known associates. Just as they do with all immigrants that go through the correct process.
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OK, at least you are the first person to actually answer
Feb 24, 2016, 3:04 PM
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my questions.
That seems pretty difficult to do to me. But at least it's a mechanism. Country of origin, family history, and associates can provide evidence, but really can't say what you believe.
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I did
Feb 24, 2016, 3:02 PM
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His quote mentioned Muslims, not country of origin. Which was a direct response to your assertion otherwise.
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Re: "Muslim ban" supporters, please enlighten me.
Feb 24, 2016, 3:03 PM
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Islam is no more false or inherently bad than your own religion. The good Christian loves his fellow people as he loves himself. Your view, and you are entitled to it, is I think part of the problem that keeps us from living in peace. My regards.
Go reverent Tigers, respect the views of others.
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If you believe A, and A is not equal to B, then
Feb 24, 2016, 3:07 PM
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by default, you believe B is false. If you believe the sky is blue, then you necessarily believe that someone's belief that the sky is yellow is false. So if one claims to believe in the Gospel, but doesn't believe Islam is false, then by definition, they don't really believe in the Gospel.
The part about it being inherently bad is a different thing, but I stand by my statement.
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Point of clarity: I believe any false religion is inherently
Feb 24, 2016, 3:08 PM
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bad. The falseness makes it bad.
That said, I do believe there is a violence intertwined in Islam, that is unlike other major religions.
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I don't think that "respecting the views"
Feb 24, 2016, 3:11 PM
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Is the same as saying that the other view is true or good. Respecting the vies of others means living and let living with them and leaving each other to pursue their conscience within the bounds of what is legal.
Calling something wrong or false isn't keeping us from living in peace. Folks (on either or both sides) of an argument refusing to live in peace in them midst of folks who vocally oppose their views is the issue there.
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Re: I don't think that "respecting the views"
Feb 24, 2016, 3:28 PM
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I do not understand either your or Prodigal's reply. I contend that no one religion is better or worse than any other major religion. There is no concrete evidence to refute my contention. If so, please post it.
Go clean living Tigers respect all nations and all religions.a
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And I respect that you disagree with Prodigal
Feb 24, 2016, 3:33 PM
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But the point I was making is that disagreeing with something is not the same as not respecting the rights of an individual to believe that thing.
You do not have to accept the theory that all views are equally true to respect others that disagree.
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Re: "Muslim ban" supporters, please enlighten me.
Feb 24, 2016, 5:57 PM
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Their religion preaches hate, not mine. Never been to a Methodist church that tells people to kill Ilamic, Jewish, Buddhists....and anyone else.
Their religion directly calls on believers to kill the non-believer. So no, its not my belief that is causing all the hate and turmoil. Its simply theirs and the child molesting, thief of a Prophet they follow.
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Re: "Muslim ban" supporters, please enlighten me.
Feb 24, 2016, 6:00 PM
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Last time I checked, Christians are not doing this on beaches of Carolina or California....
Take you PC bullshizz and shove it.
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Re: "Muslim ban" supporters, please enlighten me.
Feb 24, 2016, 6:03 PM
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seems terrorist acts have quite an impact on the feeble minded.
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