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Jun 7, 2011, 9:53 AM

Craig suspended for summer workout period

Red-shirt freshman wide receiver Joe Craig has been suspended from the football team and will not be allowed to participate in voluntary summer workouts, Head Coach Dabo Swinney announced Tuesday. Full Story »


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A Spurrier style suspension...


Jun 7, 2011, 9:55 AM

Guess if it works in Columbia. might work in Clemson. After all...he has 4 more strikes.

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It's not a Spurrier-style suspension...


Jun 7, 2011, 9:57 AM

as this is his first one. I have the feeling he may be suspended for more than the summer.

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It's Spurrier style suspension


Jun 7, 2011, 10:00 AM

in that no games are involved....yet

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That will show him you can't pound a woman with a pole. A


Jun 7, 2011, 10:02 AM

lot of coaches would have just ignored this but Dabo took a stand

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Huh?


Jun 7, 2011, 5:59 PM

This is a joke, right?

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Re: Huh?


Jun 8, 2011, 9:04 AM

He's one of your feathered friends.

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Re: It's Spurrier style suspension


Jun 7, 2011, 10:04 AM [ in reply to It's Spurrier style suspension ]

No 1 was anymore ready to see the Speedster on the field than i was...But he hit a female...maybe even multiple times, i know she cut him but still...We gotta send a Message about making Good Choices....

I think it should Atleast:3 games...

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Re: It's Spurrier style suspension


Jun 7, 2011, 9:51 PM

well dang he could kick me off the team if I played but if a beach cut me, Im gonna strike her... period..

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Re: It's Spurrier style suspension


Jun 14, 2011, 12:56 AM [ in reply to Re: It's Spurrier style suspension ]

Hmmmmm, your comment makes me wonder if you would stand there and let a woman slit your throat. I bet not, not ever a 13 year old girl. But thats right, its a double standard for atheletes right. They are so big and strong that, that the knife won't cut as deep. Some of you guys try to appear in the public eye as, not me, I would just walk away. B/S!!! If it were happening to you, you would try and beat the living sheet out of them. No matter if it was a young/old man/woman boy or girl. Until it has happen to you, you don't know what you would do. Punish the guy for going there to begin with but, do nothing for him protecting him self....

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Re: It's Spurrier style suspension


Jun 7, 2011, 12:31 PM [ in reply to It's Spurrier style suspension ]

He was not allowed to run in the NCAA track meet where he qualifed in his events so you are wrong...there is a game (meet) involved. That's a pretty strong stand.

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I agree abo plainly says this is a University issue


Jun 7, 2011, 10:02 AM [ in reply to It's not a Spurrier-style suspension... ]

he is suspended form summer workouts while the university process proceeds.

He says he will deal with whatever the university hands down not supercede it.

I think Mr. Craig will get more than summer workout discipline also

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Make it idjit proof and someone will make a better idjit.


sorry missed the "D" Dabo***


Jun 7, 2011, 10:02 AM



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Make it idjit proof and someone will make a better idjit.


Re: sorry missed the "D" Dabo***


Jun 14, 2011, 12:59 AM

Along with what punishment should be handed out....

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Um, that's not. what he said. He said they will wait


Jun 7, 2011, 10:53 AM [ in reply to I agree abo plainly says this is a University issue ]

and see what happens with the school first. Then proceed from there.

If Craig is booted or suspended from school there is nothing Dabo can do about it. The football coach can not "supersede" the school in authority.

If Craig doesn't get booted from school, then it's up to Dabo to determine Craig's status on the team.

"supersede" means to out rank or replace authority ...
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supersede

I think you meant Dabo will not "precede" the university by ruling on Craig until after the University process runs its course.

"precede" means to go before

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ok so the way I took it was


Jun 7, 2011, 11:36 AM

he will let the school do it's thing, and if Craig remains enrolled at Clemson he will deal with the football end after that.

I really expect for there to be more than a summer suspension with the details I have seen.

Of course they will get a lot more info on this than any of us will.

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Make it idjit proof and someone will make a better idjit.


Why did it take weeks and the glare of the media before Dabo


Jun 7, 2011, 6:04 PM [ in reply to Um, that's not. what he said. He said they will wait ]

acted?

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Re: Why did it take weeks and the glare of the media before Dabo


Jun 7, 2011, 9:54 PM

you right, instead of assembling all the facts, Dabo should threw his ### off the team the first rumor he heard of this..

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Re: Why did it take weeks and the glare of the media before Dabo


Jun 14, 2011, 10:23 AM

Police report had all the facts he needed.

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Re: Why did it take weeks and the glare of the media before Dabo


Jun 7, 2011, 9:55 PM [ in reply to Why did it take weeks and the glare of the media before Dabo ]

been listening to korncoot i take it. how do you know what and when dabo did anything. all you know is when he told the media.

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Re: I agree abo plainly says this is a University issue


Jun 7, 2011, 10:58 AM [ in reply to I agree abo plainly says this is a University issue ]

I remember when spurrier said the same thing in regards to Garcia and got accused of passing on the responsibility to someone else.

Oh how the times change

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The difference is Spurrier suspends after all


Jun 7, 2011, 12:33 PM [ in reply to Re: I agree abo plainly says this is a University issue ]

legal decisions have been made and that's the final action.

Dabo is waiting on the word from Clemson and the law to make is final judgement.

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False


Jun 7, 2011, 6:06 PM

Spurrier suspends. Reinstatement depends upon the results of the investigation.

I understand you hate all things Spurrier and SC, and it sometimes clouds your judgment, but at least get your facts straight.

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He's missed at least 3


Jun 8, 2011, 1:05 PM

spring games

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Some things stay the same though, you are still HERE flaming


Jun 7, 2011, 12:41 PM [ in reply to Re: I agree abo plainly says this is a University issue ]

away...

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Re: I agree abo plainly says this is a University issue


Jun 7, 2011, 5:23 PM [ in reply to I agree abo plainly says this is a University issue ]

Right now summer workouts is all he can be suspended, until the investigation is complete. That's fair to the kid. Bet he ultimately gets more than that.

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Re: A Spurrier style suspension...


Jun 7, 2011, 10:02 AM [ in reply to A Spurrier style suspension... ]

Well dont know about that, never had a serious on-campus student issue. At least i can remember in the last couple of years.

He most likely will be kicked out of school, so doesnt really matter what dabos does....

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see there you go


Jun 7, 2011, 10:03 AM

No one is saying Dabo will over step the University goob.

he said he will follow and abide by the universities decision.

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Make it idjit proof and someone will make a better idjit.


Coots will ignore that and make their own judgements


Jun 7, 2011, 12:35 PM

to make their "university" look better.

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Re: Coots will ignore that and make their own judgements


Jun 7, 2011, 12:37 PM

Needs to be kicked off the team.

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It's apparent that Dabo and your staff do not wish to


Jun 7, 2011, 1:06 PM [ in reply to Coots will ignore that and make their own judgements ]

dismiss him from the team.

But I think the outside pressure will be too much on the administration.

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Re: It's apparent that Dabo and your staff do not wish to


Jun 7, 2011, 1:13 PM

why?? because Dabo is waiting on all the facts? SOS has all the facts and refuses to do the right thing!!

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Re: It's apparent that Dabo and your staff do not wish to


Jun 7, 2011, 10:08 PM

how is Dabo still waiting on the facts? the police report is out, and it says he hit a girl with a metal towel rod and kept hitting her while she was on the ground

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Where exactly is that? I haven't seen it nor heard it


Jun 7, 2011, 11:57 PM

reported.

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Re: Where exactly is that? I haven't seen it nor heard it


Jun 8, 2011, 12:12 AM

Police said that after an argument earlier in the day at a pool party, Craig showed up at Wesh's room in Clemson House armed with a silver towel rod.

Investigators said that Wesh then cut Craig's forearm with an eyebrow razor, and Craig hit her in the forehead with the towel rod. Wesh later told officers that Craig also beat her while she was on the ground.

http://www.wyff4.com/r/28159552/detail.html

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Thanks.


Jun 8, 2011, 8:06 AM

I still believe Dabo is doing the right thing by waiting for the legal results.

You can lie on police reports you know. When my apartment got broken into, my "PS3" was stolen.

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Exactly. Curious to see a Classof "got a reject letter from Clemson" 09


Jun 7, 2011, 11:56 PM [ in reply to Re: It's apparent that Dabo and your staff do not wish to ]

response to this but there won't be one. He ignores facts to serve his own agenda. Whatever the #### that might be.

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Did anyone you signed THIS year kidnap and assault his


Jun 7, 2011, 1:51 PM [ in reply to It's apparent that Dabo and your staff do not wish to ]

girlfriend? Until we sign a player with kidnapping and assault on their record, You are one up on us in that department, worry about that...

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Re: It's apparent that Dabo and your staff do not wish to


Jun 7, 2011, 5:15 PM [ in reply to It's apparent that Dabo and your staff do not wish to ]

Spurrier would have kicked him off because he is not projected as a star and he needs the scholarships.
Dabo will probably wait until the facts are in.
You see this kind of thing doesn't even make the news in Columbia, there's just too much of it, population accounts for that.
Clemson doesn't have a lot of media outlets that have reporters attached to them so it take a little longer to trickle out to the public.

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Re: It's apparent that Dabo and your staff do not wish to


Jun 8, 2011, 8:50 AM

You're right spurrier would have kicked him off

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Jun 8, 2011, 8:57 AM



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He HAS to, thats how delusion works...***


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No, quite the opposite...SOS would have signed him


Jun 8, 2011, 10:59 AM [ in reply to Re: It's apparent that Dabo and your staff do not wish to ]

anyway...

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Oh my god.


Jun 7, 2011, 11:55 PM [ in reply to It's apparent that Dabo and your staff do not wish to ]

Can you not read? No wonder you didn't get accepted to Clemson.

Craig has been suspended from the team until action from the university and law enforcement is taken. Dabo has said, in the article which you didn't read, that he will examine the situation after that.

What the #### is so hard to understand about that?

And you're going to law school.

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Re: Oh my god.


Jun 8, 2011, 8:55 AM

Dabo had the opportunity to make a stand against violence toward women.

Should have dismissed Craig from the team and reinstated him later if need be

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Hey, Genius, a suspension is exactly what you are proposing.


Jun 8, 2011, 9:11 AM

A dismissal is permanent. You don't dismiss then reinstate. You suspend then reinstate. You coots talking about how Clemson needs to take the high road is hilarious.

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Re: Hey, Genius, a suspension is exactly what you are propos


Jun 8, 2011, 9:40 AM

The hilarious thing is your guys taking the holier than thou attitude the past few years

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abide by the universities (sic) decision


Jun 7, 2011, 6:02 PM [ in reply to see there you go ]

What are you talking about? Dabo has no choice but to abide by the university's decision. Do you think he has a choice?

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Does it really matter if it's on campus or not?


Jun 7, 2011, 10:13 AM [ in reply to Re: A Spurrier style suspension... ]

USC has had MANY issues in the area of your school, at bowl games, at their homes.

You can't try to change this one by saying it's worse because it's "on-campus."



That being said, Joe should go.

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the last article said he had a board hearing this week. I think


Jun 7, 2011, 10:09 AM [ in reply to A Spurrier style suspension... ]

this might be a drawn out issue with the university because of how complicated it seemed to be. If it comes out that he did do something really malicious, then I think he might be suspended for more than the summer. So, not a Spurrier suspension in my opinion.

What role was he expected to play this year?

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IMO he wasnt that impressive in the spring games and........


Jun 7, 2011, 10:30 AM

with the new wrs coming in, he may have only played on specifically designed plays for him like reverses and end arounds.

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He is probably one of the fastest if not the fastest player


Jun 7, 2011, 10:37 AM [ in reply to the last article said he had a board hearing this week. I think ]

on the team but with some of the new arrivals, I think his position on the depth chart at WR will drop. His best opportunity for PT at least IMO, may be on special teams returning kicks and punts.




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Re: He is probably one of the fastest if not the fastest player


Jun 7, 2011, 11:21 AM

Morris said he fits perfect into what he is doing, he would have plenty of PT, sorry but Morris knows more than you.

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I respectfully disagree wth that assessment


Jun 7, 2011, 12:15 PM

With the WRs we have coming in coupled with the fact that he wasn't all that impressive during the spring, while me may play, I think there are several other guys who will play ahead of him.

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Re: A Spurrier style suspension...


Jun 7, 2011, 11:41 AM [ in reply to A Spurrier style suspension... ]

What are you saying he has four more women he can beat up before something should be done?

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Not at all, he is waiting to see the results from the


Jun 7, 2011, 12:31 PM [ in reply to A Spurrier style suspension... ]

Clemson Student Court and legal action.

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Not really


Jun 7, 2011, 5:19 PM [ in reply to A Spurrier style suspension... ]

Last time Spurrier had an assault issue was in 2006 with Kerry Bonds. He was kicked off the team 3 days later.

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Re: Not really


Jun 7, 2011, 6:29 PM

3 days... What took so long?

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Not really


Jun 7, 2011, 5:21 PM [ in reply to A Spurrier style suspension... ]

double post

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Not a Spurrier style suspension at all


Jun 7, 2011, 5:31 PM [ in reply to A Spurrier style suspension... ]

Spurrier has forced many folk off the team. It is only the team leader and starting QB that he gives unlimited "last chances" too.

I have no idea what actually happened between Craig and his girlfriend and likely never will but I suspect this isn't the end of this matter.

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Re: Craig suspended for summer workout period


Jun 7, 2011, 10:46 AM

I think this makes sense since Dabo has to wait and see what the University does.

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Goodbye Craig, hello Watkins...


Jun 7, 2011, 12:29 PM

No big loss, in my opinion. If Craig can come back and play, he has a lot of work to do as a WR.

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Can't wait til he's a 5th year senior on his 5th suspension


Jun 7, 2011, 12:51 PM

and can REALLY help us win!!!

oh wait..........

[[crickets]]

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Re: Craig suspended for summer workout period


Jun 7, 2011, 4:55 PM

This is a University issue, not a Spurrier like call. I am from Gaffney and in favor of punishment. BUT comparing this situation is nothing like what is going on in Columbia. Craig and all student athletes need to represent their University with high respect. If they don't want to respect their school that is PAYING FOR THEIR EDUCATION WE do not need them!! PERIOD!! we need to wait before handing down judgements that COMPARE us to the RATS down in COLUMBIA until the university gives a full explanation of what happened that night

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Re: Craig suspended for summer workout period


Jun 7, 2011, 5:27 PM

it is a spurrier style suspension for hitting a woman, not showing up somewhere having had some drinks or missing curfew

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Re: Craig suspended for summer workout periodremovr


Jun 7, 2011, 7:32 PM

Remove him from team. DABO do your job

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Re: Craig suspended for summer workout periodremovr


Jun 7, 2011, 8:47 PM

Agree.. this is not the Univ of SC...

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Why would he do that? You can't remove him based on a


Jun 7, 2011, 9:10 PM [ in reply to Re: Craig suspended for summer workout periodremovr ]

"he said, she said" kind of deal. The university will sort it out, and Dabo will do whatever is necessary once the facts are clear. Some of you guys have zero understanding of the way a judicial process works.

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Jun 7, 2011, 10:30 PM

Pretty much the same thing mcdaniel was accused of, so give him PTI and suit him up come fall and be done with it.Same crime ,same punishment.

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Hey, cocksureistiny, what did you score on the comprehension


Jun 8, 2011, 9:28 AM

portion of the SAT? Did you get any points for being able to read and understand what you've read?

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No where in the article does is say he'll be reinstated.


Jun 8, 2011, 8:51 AM

At this point, the way I read it is he's suspended from the team ant least through summer workouts.

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Re: No where in the article does is say he'll be reinstated.


Jun 8, 2011, 9:10 AM

Exactly.Dabo may not need to kick him off of the team becuase the kid may get kicked out of school. By the way coots, this situation is nothing like the Mcdaniel situation. Seems like you need to be worried about garcia rather than our guys. Go back to you coop!

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Maybe the disciplinary methods need to be examined


Jun 8, 2011, 10:12 AM

If Clemson's disciplinary methods are so good, why do Clemson athletes keep assaulting people. There's been the Cumbie case, McDaniel and now Craig. The only issues at Carolina are thing like curfew violations or underage drinking. Thats pretty tame and pretty typical for college students. Assault is a very serious issue and if it seems to happening over and over, maybe your disciplinary tactics need to be examined.

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Re: Craig suspended for summer workout period


Jun 8, 2011, 10:16 AM

yep it is just spiraling out of control in clemson. guess maybe you need to go back and check out that police blotter in columbia the last 10 years or so.

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I don't believe there's been any issues


Jun 8, 2011, 10:20 AM

with our athletes assaulting girls or much smaller individuals as has happened at Clemson these last couple of years. At least not without immediate expulsion.

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Re: I don't believe there's been any issues


Jun 8, 2011, 10:20 AM

uh better go look again.

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Re: I don't believe there's been any issues


Jun 8, 2011, 10:26 AM [ in reply to I don't believe there's been any issues ]

Daccus Turman and Jarvis Giles ring any bells?

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Re: I don't believe there's been any issues


Jun 8, 2011, 10:45 AM

Turman was 8 years ago and Giles was suspended for academic reasons. Is that all you could find?

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So Giles didn't get disciplined for his incident but did get


Jun 8, 2011, 1:11 PM

dismissed for grades? As far as Turman, is there a statute of limitations on smack talk? Doesn't appear to be one where our infractions are involved...

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Re: I don't believe there's been any issues


Jun 8, 2011, 1:17 PM [ in reply to Re: I don't believe there's been any issues ]

Those are the 2 that pop readily to mind. How about Cook with his gun on campus? Or how about Jarriel King and his kidnapping charge PRIOR to ever coming to campus? I am not trying to defend Cumbie or Craig's actions, but I am pointing out that your doorstep is not exactly clean with regards to assault type infractions. As for McDaniel, his situation was thrown out because the girl never showed up for court if memory serves. And you can't very well take away a kid's future on an unsubstantiated allegation (unless you play LaCrosse at Duke).

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The Lindsey twins alone have been in enough "incidents" to


Jun 8, 2011, 1:33 PM

disclaim his accusation...

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Re: The Lindsey twins alone have been in enough "incidents" to


Jun 8, 2011, 2:40 PM

oh yea I forgot about those 2 hooligans lol

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Matthew Thomas, Andrea Gause ,Jariel King and Jarvis


Jun 8, 2011, 1:07 PM [ in reply to I don't believe there's been any issues ]

Giles would disagree with you...

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The issue was Spurrier's disciplinary record


Jun 8, 2011, 2:04 PM

And the results. I was saying that under Spurrier major incidents like assault etc. have ceased over the last several years. At Clemson it seems they have picked up over the last several years. If anyone's disciplinary policy seems to be failing, it would be Clemsons.

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SOS signed a player who kidnapped and assaulted his


Jun 8, 2011, 2:09 PM

girl friend...NEXT

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Re: SOS signed a player who kidnapped and assaulted his


Jun 8, 2011, 2:55 PM

Spurrier couldn't control what happened before his committment. Sounds like another testimonial that he hasn't been in any trouble after Spurrier got hold of him. good job coach!

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Great job with Jarvis Giles no doubt...***


Jun 8, 2011, 3:33 PM



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Re: SOS signed a player who kidnapped and assaulted his


Jun 8, 2011, 3:35 PM [ in reply to Re: SOS signed a player who kidnapped and assaulted his ]

actually, wasn't he one of the 5 or 6 players involved in the Whitney scandal? I mean I commend him for not kidnapping and assaulting anyone while he was at USuC, but it's not like he was spotless either.

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Those indiscretions don't count, just boys being boys...


Jun 8, 2011, 3:41 PM

Nothing we wouldn't have done at that age...

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Has SOS "got hold of Garcia" yet? He's had 5 opportunities


Jun 8, 2011, 3:39 PM [ in reply to Re: SOS signed a player who kidnapped and assaulted his ]

to do so but it looks as if even "the Great Disciplinarian" can't break this streak...

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Re: The issue was Spurrier's disciplinary record


Jun 8, 2011, 2:55 PM [ in reply to The issue was Spurrier's disciplinary record ]

ok so while Dabo has been head coach, we have had 2 incidents...the first athlete was summarily dismissed from school AFTER the investigation was completed. The second is still under investigation. Seems like situation is under control.

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Then why are they continuing to happen***


Jun 8, 2011, 2:56 PM



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Re: Then why are they continuing to happen***


Jun 8, 2011, 3:34 PM

continuing? 2 incidents completely unrelated and under completely different circumstances, and you claim continuing?

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Twice does not make a trend, no matter how hard you want to


Jun 8, 2011, 3:36 PM [ in reply to Then why are they continuing to happen*** ]

believe it does...

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Re: Twice does not make a trend, no matter how hard you want to


Jun 8, 2011, 3:38 PM

lol I like what you did there with the 2 times thing...or was that unintentional?

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It was definitely intentional...I openly mock their "streak"***


Jun 8, 2011, 3:44 PM



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Re: Craig suspended for summer workout period


Jun 14, 2011, 10:01 AM

Summer workouts are voluntary anyway. Doesn't seem like anything harsh. He'll still get his workouts in.

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