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"Trump's treatment of the media is unpresidential!"
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"Trump's treatment of the media is unpresidential!"


May 12, 2020, 9:39 AM

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/09/obama-fox-news-and-the-free-press/



Former President Barack Obama stood up for a free press in his first political speech of the 2018 campaign season, but he engaged in a bit of revisionist history when it came to his administration’s dealings with Fox News.

“It shouldn’t be Democratic or Republican to say that we don’t threaten the freedom of the press because they say things or publish stories we don’t like,” Obama said in a Sept. 7 speech in Illinois. “I complained plenty about Fox News, but you never heard me threaten to shut them down or call them enemies of the people.”

The Democratic president did more than complain. His administration at times took action against the cable network. The Obama Justice Department surveilled one of Fox News’ reporters, and a White House spokesman acknowledged excluding Fox News from interviews.

And while he may never have called Fox News “enemies of the people” — a phrase President Donald Trump has used repeatedly for the media at large — Obama did say that its “point of view” was “ultimately destructive” to the U.S.

Here are some of the times when the Obama White House took aim at Fox News.

Obama Snubs Chris Wallace

On Sept. 20, 2009, Obama appeared on five Sunday talks show – NBC, CBS, CNN, ABC and Univision to talk about health care. But he did not appear on “Fox News Sunday.”

The snub came less than two weeks after Fox Broadcasting Network did not carry the president’s joint address to Congress on health care. The Sept. 9, 2009, speech was carried by the Fox News Channel, but not the Fox network — which aired an episode of “So You Think You Can Dance,” from 8 p.m. to 9 p.m. that night.

Robert Gibbs, the Obama White House press secretary at the time, complained about it during an appearance on “Fox and Friends” prior to the speech.

When it came time to schedule Obama for the post-speech Sunday talk show circuit, Fox News was the only major Sunday show that did not have Obama as a guest.

Then-White House spokesman Josh Earnest deflected questions about why Obama would not appear on “Fox News Sunday” by saying: “We figured Fox would rather show ‘So You Think You Can Dance’ than broadcast an honest discussion about health insurance reform.”

“They are the biggest bunch of crybabies I have dealt with in my 30 years in Washington,” Chris Wallace, anchor of “Fox News Sunday,” said about White House snub.

Obama did not appear on “Fox News Sunday” until his last year in office.

White House Labels Fox News Illegitimate

Anita Dunn, who was then the White House director of communications, told the New York Times in an interview on Oct. 11, 2009, that Fox News was not a legitimate news organization.

“We’re going to treat them the way we would treat an opponent,” Dunn told the Times. “As they are undertaking a war against Barack Obama and the White House, we don’t need to pretend that this is the way that legitimate news organizations behave.”

She also said, when asked about snubbing “Fox News Sunday” with Chris Wallace, “we’re not going to legitimize them as a news organization.”

White House Willing to ‘Exclude Fox News’ from Interviews

In October 2009, the Obama administration and Fox News got into a public dispute over whether the Treasury Department intentionally attempted to exclude Fox News from on-camera TV interviews with the administration’s so-called “pay czar,” Kenneth Feinberg.

A Treasury Department spokesman described the dispute as a miscommunication – “much ado about absolutely nothing” – that ended with Fox News interviewing Feinberg on camera for the Oct. 22, 2009, nightly news. Fox News reported that the administration “failed in its attempt to exclude Fox News” only after “the Washington bureau chiefs of the five TV networks consulted and decided that none of their reporters would interview Feinberg unless Fox News was included.”

Whatever the intent, White House spokesman Josh Earnest acknowledged that the Obama White House had a history of freezing out Fox News.

A day after the Feinberg flap, Talking Points Memo quoted Earnest as saying, “This White House has demonstrated our willingness to exclude Fox News from newsmaking interviews, but yesterday we did not.”

Obama Calls Fox News ‘Destructive’

Obama may never have called Fox News “enemies of the people,” but he did say that its “point of view” was “ultimately destructive” to the U.S.

In a Rolling Stone magazine interview in 2010, Obama compared Fox News to William Randolph Hearst and his style of so-called “yellow journalism.” He called its point of view “ultimately destructive for the long-term growth” of the U.S.

Rolling Stone: What do you think of Fox News? Do you think it’s a good institution for America and for democracy?

Obama: [Laughs] Look, as president, I swore to uphold the Constitution, and part of that Constitution is a free press. We’ve got a tradition in this country of a press that oftentimes is opinionated. The golden age of an objective press was a pretty narrow span of time in our history. Before that, you had folks like Hearst who used their newspapers very intentionally to promote their viewpoints. I think Fox is part of that tradition — it is part of the tradition that has a very clear, undeniable point of view. It’s a point of view that I disagree with. It’s a point of view that I think is ultimately destructive for the long-term growth of a country that has a vibrant middle class and is competitive in the world. But as an economic enterprise, it’s been wildly successful. And I suspect that if you ask Mr. Murdoch what his number-one concern is, it’s that Fox is very successful.

Obama Justice Department Labels Fox News Reporter ‘Co-conspirator’

In 2010, when investigating possible leaks of classified information about North Korea, the Obama Justice Department collected Fox News reporter James Rosen’s telephone and email records and tracked his movements at the State Department, according to the Washington Post.

The Post, which broke the story in 2013, wrote that it had obtained a court affidavit that showed the Justice Department used security badge access records to track Rosen’s visits to the State Department, traced his calls to a department security adviser suspected of sharing classified information, and obtained a search warrant to seize two days’ worth of emails with the department official.

In the affidavit for a search warrant, FBI agent Reginald Reyes said there was evidence that Rosen — the chief Washington correspondent for Fox News — broke the law. Reyes described Rosen as “either as an aider, abettor and/or co-conspirator.”

“Search warrants like these have a severe chilling effect on the free flow of important information to the public,” First Amendment lawyer Charles Tobin told the Washington Post.

In a statement, Michael Clemente, Fox News’ executive vice president of news, said the news organization was “outraged to learn today that James Rosen was named a criminal co-conspirator for simply doing his job as a reporter.”

On its website, Fox News ran Clemente’s statement along with supportive quotes from journalists and editorial board writers from major news organizations, including the New York Times.

“With the decision to label a Fox News television reporter a possible ‘co-conspirator’ in a criminal investigation of a news leak, the Obama administration has moved beyond protecting government secrets to threatening fundamental freedoms of the press to gather news,” the New York Times editorial board wrote.

The Post report on the Justice Department’s investigation involving Rosen came not long after the Justice Department seized two months of telephone records of reporters and editors at the Associated Press. Gary Pruitt, the AP’s chief executive officer, called the action “unconstitutional.”

The actions taken in the cases involving Fox News and the AP went to a larger issue of the Obama administration’s aggressive prosecutions of leaks.

“Under the Obama administration, charges were brought against at least eight government employees or contractors accused of leaking information to the media, and several journalists were snared in the process through subpoenas to testify or surveillance of their records,” the Committee to Protect Journalists wrote last year. “After public outcry, the Department of Justice released revised standards for subpoenaing reporters.”

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It must be tough trying to defend


May 12, 2020, 9:41 AM

all of Trump's bull #### constantly.

Takes a lot of googling to deflect.

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I like your funny words magic man


More racist than unpresidential, but OK.


May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM

BUT OBUMMA

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You didn't complain about Obama mistreating the press.


May 12, 2020, 10:02 AM

That's all I'm saying. I still don't get where Trump is a racist. He has done more for blacks than any president since LBJ who signed the civil right bill.

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Re: You didn't complain about Obama mistreating the press.


May 12, 2020, 10:04 AM

Because Obama didn't.

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It was an abuse of the press when he wore that tan suit***


May 12, 2020, 10:04 AM



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Or when he used Dijon Mustard***


May 12, 2020, 10:14 AM



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I like your funny words magic man


he just put them in jail***


May 12, 2020, 10:14 AM [ in reply to Re: You didn't complain about Obama mistreating the press. ]



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If she's a hollerer, she'll be a screamer.
If she's a screamer, she'll get you arrested.


Re: You didn't complain about Obama mistreating the press.


May 12, 2020, 10:29 AM [ in reply to Re: You didn't complain about Obama mistreating the press. ]

Because they coddled him like a 2 yr old

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Obama tossed James Rosen in jail for refusing to...


May 12, 2020, 4:33 PM [ in reply to Re: You didn't complain about Obama mistreating the press. ]

give up the source of a leak. Obama waged a war on what we now call whistleblowers.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2013/06/edward-snowden-is-eighth-person-obama-has-pursued-under-espionage-act.html


Rosen

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-before-trump-obama-prosecuted-leaks-20170804-htmlstory.html


https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/10/business/media/fox-reporter-faces-jail-over-refusal-to-identify-sources.html


So no, the only differences between Obama and Trump are Trump tweets and shows hostility toward reporters and Obama slams them in jail.

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He called Neo-Nazis "very fine people"


May 12, 2020, 10:06 AM [ in reply to You didn't complain about Obama mistreating the press. ]

what are you, retarded?

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Crass, please call hotsawce a liar, and tell us what Trump


May 12, 2020, 10:23 AM

REALLY meant when he called Neo-Nazis "very fine people".

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He said "both sides"


May 12, 2020, 10:30 AM

neo nazis AND the protesters.

So THERE

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I like your funny words magic man


The guy is indefensible on a lot, but this one’s a sham


May 12, 2020, 4:42 PM

He absolutely denounced the racist factions in that same speech (in the portions most gotcha “journalists” omit) and was referring to those who were against removing historical monuments with that “fine people” comment.

This one has been spun to death and pretty much kills the political knowledge credibility of anyone who still uses it against him.

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He was referring to the MLK, JR quote:


May 12, 2020, 11:40 AM [ in reply to Crass, please call hotsawce a liar, and tell us what Trump ]

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the swastika band on their arm, but by the content of their character.

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That is a lie.


May 12, 2020, 8:05 PM [ in reply to He called Neo-Nazis "very fine people" ]

Actually, there were people who wanted to take down the flag protesting and those who didn't want to remove it also protesting. Oh, there were a handful of Nazis there too. Trump said there were good people on both sides of the issue.

Anyone claiming Trump said Nazis were good people is a liar.

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Re: You didn't complain about Obama mistreating the press.


May 12, 2020, 2:42 PM [ in reply to You didn't complain about Obama mistreating the press. ]


That's all I'm saying. I still don't get where Trump is a racist. He has done more for blacks than any president since LBJ who signed the civil right bill.




You think in terms of 'racism' as black vs white. Trump has been no friend to the Latin Americans. Mexico rapists, etc. Remember the 3 million illegal aliens that voted in 2016? He does like the Norwegians tho...so he's got that going for him.

Further, Trump/GOP has closed more polling places in the last 3 years than at any previous time in history. High turnout Dems win, low turnout GOP wins.

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I upvoted your post because someone needs to point out


May 12, 2020, 10:24 AM

both the inaccuracy and the hypocrisy of calling the pres a racist. The post was fine. I will add only that to answer racist responders who are fully bought into identity politics is lowering yourself to their level. When they call him racist for closing travel from China, then blame him for not doing it sooner, then call him racist for saying China is responsible for weeks of delay in responding, you know who you're dealing with. Don't answer.

He was fine in walking away, imo. Yes, he called on a cnn reporter, and yes he changed his mind. He can do that. She wouldn't shut up, whining in entitled fashion that she deserved the floor. She doesn't. cnn has given up the privilege of expecting any deference. If she is going to filibuster, walk away. I would have too.

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Re: "Trump's treatment of the media is unpresidential!"


May 12, 2020, 10:28 AM

They attacked Rosen and basically tried to ruin his career with zero evidence.

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Re: "Trump's treatment of the media is unpresidential!"


May 12, 2020, 10:28 AM

The American MSM's treatment of The President of The United States of America is disgraceful!

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Re: "Trump's treatment of the media is unpresidential!"


May 12, 2020, 10:37 AM

Cry me a river. Anyone who can't see that he brings 90% of it on himself are retarded.

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The good news is the other option this go around


May 12, 2020, 10:40 AM

is just as gaffe prone.

Yay.

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I like your funny words magic man


Re: The good news is the other option this go around


May 12, 2020, 10:48 AM

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is just as gaffe prone.

Yay.


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Re: "Trump's treatment of the media is unpresidential!"


May 12, 2020, 1:59 PM [ in reply to Re: "Trump's treatment of the media is unpresidential!" ]

Anyone who can't see the double standard applied by progressives is a fool.

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May 12, 2020, 10:29 AM



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Hey, I agree.


May 12, 2020, 10:32 AM

Obama liked to talk a good game about the free press, but his actions proved otherwise. The Fox examples you cite, and his administration was definitely not the most "transparent" as he claimed it would be. We haven't had many presidents recently who were great with the free press. Bush was a problem as well. Clinton was a problem at first but seemed to learn to chill out later in his administration.

That being said, Trump is the worst in my lifetime. Nixon was worse in yours simply because his people plotted to actually have some journalists murdered.

Trump is a thin-skinned baby, and it's the press's job to be tough on presidents. Trump spent his life having entertainment media fawn over him, and now he can't understand why the political media doesn't kiss his ###. He also fails to understand that when he speaks to the media, he is speaking to the American people.

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In general, I think most would agree that CNN and FOX


May 12, 2020, 11:33 AM

are NOT news agencies. They are entertainment networks that pander to a certain type of person for ratings.

So, I don't know why we should expect the POTUS (be he TRUMP or OBAMA) to consider them news agencies either.

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The Asian reporter was from CBS


May 12, 2020, 11:37 AM

and the reporter he was trying to pivot to was from OANN which is between Fox News and InfoWars on the complete ######## scale

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I like your funny words magic man


The OP was about Obama v FOX and mentioned


May 12, 2020, 11:58 AM

Trump moving on from a reporter when he saw she was from CNN.

As an aside - the CBS reporter was trying to make the news rather than report the news.

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