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110%er [5513]
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The amount of transfers under Brownell is
Mar 23, 2015, 4:24 PM
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Alarming. He cant recruit as is... and the decent players he does recruit end up leaving. Something is wrong here. The AD needs to address this problem.
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What players that have transferred
Mar 23, 2015, 4:26 PM
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out of Brownell's team have had superstar careers at their new school?
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who has been a superstar under BB except KJ?***
Mar 23, 2015, 4:27 PM
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That wasn't my question***
Mar 23, 2015, 4:28 PM
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Re: That wasn't my question***
Mar 23, 2015, 4:30 PM
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They can only deflect.
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Re: ^ this
Mar 23, 2015, 4:31 PM
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So what you are saying is you cant answer his question...
Also something something why is your little buddy having to take up for you. (isnt that what you accused others of?)
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Legend [18003]
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Grant did pretty well his senior year
Mar 23, 2015, 4:28 PM
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and Blossomgame/Grantham have all the potential in the world (may not have the defensive instincts as KJ though)
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a superstar would be at least 3rd team ACC, no
Mar 23, 2015, 4:30 PM
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we have no one that would make 8th team ACC right now.
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How many of those has Clemson ever had?***
Mar 23, 2015, 4:31 PM
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Re: How many of those has Clemson ever had?***
Mar 23, 2015, 4:35 PM
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All-ACC First Team[7]
Vince Yockel - 1958
Choppy Patterson - 1960
Randy Mahaffey - 1967
Skip Wise - 1975
Billy Williams - 1980
Horace Grant - 1987
Dale Davis - 1990
Elden Campbell - 1990
Terrell McIntyre - 1998
Will Solomon - 2000
Ed Scott - 2003
Trevor Booker - 2010
K. J. McDaniels - 2014
All-ACC Second Team
Bill Yarborough - 1955 & 1956
Vince Yockel - 1956
Choppy Patterson - 1961
Jim Brennan - 1963 & 1964
Randy Mahaffey - 1965
Jim Sutherland - 1965, 1967
Butch Zatezalo - 1968, 1969, 1970
Tree Rollins - 1975, 1976, 1977
Stan Rome - 1977
Larry Nance - 1981
Vince Hamilton - 1982
Horace Grant - 1986
Elden Campbell - 1989
Dale Davis - 1991
Sharone Wright - 1994
Greg Buckner - 1997, 1998
Terrell McIntyre - 1997, 1999
Will Solomon - 2001
K. C. Rivers - 2008
Trevor Booker - 2009
All-ACC Third Team
Sharone Wright - 1993
Chris Whitney - 1993
Devin Gray - 1994
Terrell McIntyre - 1998
Ed Scott - 2002
Sharrod Ford - 2005
Cliff Hammonds - 2008
Demontez Stitt - 2011
Devin Booker - 2013
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and how does that help your argument?***
Mar 23, 2015, 4:39 PM
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LOL. I was thinking the same thing. Not even 1 per year of
Mar 23, 2015, 9:24 PM
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existence in the conference.
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It doesn't matter. Any coach we hire should be expected
Mar 23, 2015, 5:16 PM
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to win more than Brownell has and bring in better players than Brownell has, regardless of what other coaches have done or who is to blame. Not saying "fire Brownell" nor am I bashing him, but just stating a fact. If his failures are due to circumstances beyond his control, so be it, but we have to have higher expectations than that for our basketball program, and he is the head coach.
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To play Devils advocate Smiling
Mar 23, 2015, 5:24 PM
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Do you believe Dabo would be landing these big time classes if our facilities were in the bottom quarter of the ACC and he didn't have one of the highest paid staffs in college football? Thankfully, facilities are getting the major upgrade they need. He has 2 years to produce barring a meltdown next year. The rest of these discussions are simply ignorant. You don't get top dollar return on a 20 cent investment
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I don't disagree, and in fact, I actually agree. The problem
Mar 23, 2015, 5:39 PM
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is, fair or not, the longer Brownell struggles and/or underperforms here, the more strongly he becomes associated with the failures. It may be unfortunate for him, but outdated facilities not withstanding, the head coach can't get a 100% free pass.
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He won't, he has until the facilities are done
Mar 23, 2015, 5:42 PM
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and a year in them. Then, either him or another will at least have a fighting chance
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lol, they were not recruited by brad.
Mar 23, 2015, 4:37 PM
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if it's this hard to come up with stuff, then it just proves my point.
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Does Brownell get credit for Buckner too????***
Mar 23, 2015, 4:38 PM
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Re: Does Brownell get credit for Buckner too????***
Mar 23, 2015, 5:02 PM
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Did he coach Buckner?
Congrats on a ###### argument expect no less from you.
I love how Brownell magically gets no credit for player development when it doesnt fit your sad little agenda.
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Re: lol, they were not recruited by brad.
Mar 23, 2015, 4:43 PM
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That wasnt what you asked.
So his player development doesnt count?
You asked I delivered sorry the answer did not back up your bull ####.
Maybe you should wait until he has more than ONE Senior class go through before making claims like you are making.
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duh Brownell inherited a dumpster fire
Mar 23, 2015, 4:44 PM
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With no talent.... nevermind the previous NCAA trips and the fact he rode that "dumpster fire" talent to the dance his 1st year.
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Re: duh Brownell inherited a dumpster fire
Mar 23, 2015, 5:01 PM
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Link to anyone saying he inherited a program with no talent.
TIA
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well its not exactly quality talent to begin with
Mar 23, 2015, 4:28 PM
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See the part about him not being able to recruit.
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name anyone on the current team that is a superstar
Mar 23, 2015, 4:28 PM
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ya, nope
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still not answering my question***
Mar 23, 2015, 4:29 PM
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b/c the question is idiotic. His starters arent even close
Mar 23, 2015, 4:31 PM
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to superstars so why would a transfer be? What he does lose is offensive people b/c they dont meet his insane D requirements.
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Anyone that does not think we could have used
Mar 23, 2015, 4:33 PM
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Flier this year or TJ Sapp is not paying attention.
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Cause Murray State is equivalent
Mar 23, 2015, 4:36 PM
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to ACC play
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Rock Defender [53]
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They are playing in the post season......
Mar 23, 2015, 4:37 PM
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Last I checked Clemson is not.
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To compare Clemson and Murray State
Mar 23, 2015, 4:38 PM
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tells me all I need to know about you!
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Ok, I'm not saying we don't have to do some things better
Mar 23, 2015, 4:36 PM
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but to criticize the man because a player that was majorly injured is transferring for playing time he will not see at Clemson is absolutely insane.
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110%er [5513]
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Whos criticizing over 1 player?!
Mar 23, 2015, 4:38 PM
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Theres been a lot more that 1 transfer under Brownell.....
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and how many of those
Mar 23, 2015, 4:42 PM
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went to schools in a conference as strong as ours and are contributing at a high level?
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110%er [5513]
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who off the remaining roster could do that?
Mar 23, 2015, 4:46 PM
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You are just proving my point about our talent level under Brownell....
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Its not like we are loaded with talent or
Mar 23, 2015, 4:33 PM
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Shooters as is. And we obviously need all the help we can get.
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TJ Sapp
Mar 23, 2015, 4:28 PM
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We could have used him this year for sure.
I think we could have used Filer as well this year. He is not a "star" where he is, but it did hurt our chances this year.
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Re: TJ Sapp
Mar 23, 2015, 4:32 PM
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TIL 13 PPG is superstar.....
lol
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Murray State
Mar 23, 2015, 4:34 PM
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really?
That's big time basketball there!
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Werent they in the dance?
Mar 23, 2015, 4:37 PM
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Last time I checked that IS big time...
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Re: Werent they in the dance?
Mar 23, 2015, 4:47 PM
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Did they play, Duke, NC State, North Carolina, Louisville, Notre Dame, Virginia? Hmmm Maybe if we left the ACC we could make the big dance like some of the other teams like Murray State. Lets just tell the ACC we are going to transfer!!!!
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Murray St. made the NIT***
Mar 23, 2015, 4:48 PM
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Re: Werent they in the dance?
Mar 23, 2015, 5:52 PM
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Well unless we played teams like Winthrop or Gardner Webb...
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Re: Werent they in the dance?
Mar 23, 2015, 4:49 PM
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Holy crap you really and truly are clueless.... No they were in fact not in the dance.
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Re: The amount of transfers under Brownell is
Mar 23, 2015, 4:26 PM
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lol
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Re: The amount of transfers under Brownell is
Mar 23, 2015, 4:29 PM
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So how do you assess players? If they leave and you dont know anything about them? Theyre magically good or does it just serve your purpose?
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Re: The amount of transfers under Brownell is
Mar 23, 2015, 4:31 PM
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Your agenda is transparent and ya don't know squat
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110%er [5513]
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I dont attempt to hide my agenda
Mar 23, 2015, 4:35 PM
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I want Brownell out as Clemsons HC.
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Re: I dont attempt to hide my agenda
Mar 23, 2015, 4:38 PM
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Good that means he was right on both accounts. You also know jack #### about Basketball as you have proved over and over again...
Hell you dont even watch games.
Dont know who is actually in the dance...
Hint Murray St in fact was not in the dance.
But yet gets on here and posts as if he is gods gift to basketball and an expert.
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Rooks,Sapp,Coleman,Sullivan,Djambo,Stanton,Filer all his
Mar 23, 2015, 11:21 PM
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Noel Johnson and Donte Hill under Brownell but were Purnells.
We have to break this cycle.
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