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Advocating for the Devil on BLM ... How do we’
Sep 16, 2020, 1:12 PM
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How do we separate the ‘peaceful protests’ from the burning, looting, and destruction by left wing anarchists and then not be able to separate honoring Confederate flags and statues from ‘vehement hate’ spewed by right wing zealots.
I keep hearing, “BLM is *not* Marxist! How dare you paint us all with that brush?!”
Then I hear those very same people say that honor for the heritage of ancestors in the southern USA is inherently racist and should not be tolerated.
That broad brush stroke paints both directions doesn’t it?
Even the Devil’s Advocate has a hard time squaring this attitude.
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Re: Advocating for the Devil on BLM ... How do we’
Sep 16, 2020, 1:19 PM
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Logical minds can separate things when they are not connected.
Emotional minds paint with that broad brush you speak of.
Sometimes people try to separate things that are connected in order to defend their stance on an issue.
It's up to each person to think logically to determine how to view a situation. More and more people are struggling with that it seems.
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The BLM Group who has this logo is Marxist while the cause using the full wording
Sep 16, 2020, 1:31 PM
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is not.
That’s the problem that many don’t understand..
saying “Black Lives Matter” is great but the logo of BLM is a different dog in the equation.
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Re: The BLM Group who has this logo is Marxist while the cause using the full wording
Sep 16, 2020, 1:36 PM
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If one group hopes to gain the support of a 2nd group to support their cause, it might be a good idea to brand your cause something different that that used by a Marist hate group. The average person will not go to the trouble to separate the two.
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Re: Advocating for the Devil on BLM ... How do we’
Sep 16, 2020, 1:40 PM
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It is not acceptable to be proud of anything associated with White people. Period.
Because Love.
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I don't see how it's any different from the police issue
Sep 16, 2020, 2:14 PM
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honestly...The majority of them do a good job and don't kill people in custody...Until the protesters can reign in the activists and the police keep killing criminals I don't see a major change
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There is a difference
Sep 16, 2020, 2:49 PM
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Black Lives Matter is a slogan born out of conditions that are actual, factual and verified. BLM the organization has hijacked the movement much as racists groups have "hijacked" the confederate flag. However, today's racist groups have actually co-opt the actual, factual and verified ideals of the articles of secession of the former confederate states of america. The constitution of the confederacy clearly outlines a racial superiority of whites over blacks. The confederate states of america allowed by law the dehumanization of a race of people for their servitude, intending it to be a lifetime state for blacks.
The confederacy and those who built it, supported it, and fought for it did so on the premise that it would allow them to continue to subjugate blacks for as long as the confederate states of america could exist, to maintain a way of life that they deemed acceptable.
All things confederate derive from the articles of secession of those states that would become the confederate states of america, and directly oppose the first sentence of the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence by the United States of America, with key words being "that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights". Things that represent the treasonous act of secession (flags, monuments, statues, documents, books, etc) certainly have their place in history and should be preserved by those who would preserve them at their own expense. Those things should hold no place of honor or commendation by united states federal oversight or its member states oversight.
As for the broad brush that you speak of, the ideal of all things confederate were birthed by and include the ideal that there is a natural racial superiority that should be upheld by law. If you feel that your ancestors were good to fight for the continuation of racial superiority, that is a private matter afforded to you, but that ideal is no longer under the banner of the United States of America as a matter of law, and is not representative of a UNITED States of America because those banners, monuments, statues, etc represent the division of the US.
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Re: There is a difference
Sep 16, 2020, 4:02 PM
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As a Brit, I have no reason to lean one way or the other. I’m just making an observation into what I see as a curious dichotomy.
From living in the south and having had this discussion with southerners, its just my opinion that many men fought for the Confederacy simply because they were extremely angry at what they considered ‘Northern Aggression’ without giving a tinkers #### about the overarching issue of slavery ... in much the same way that many people support black lives today, knowing little or nothing and caring even less about what the BLM Movement actually stands for.
Just as there is a difference between believing that the lives of black people matter and espousing the radical Marxist ideals behind BLM, there can be a similar distinction between honoring and respecting the courage and valor of one’s ancestors for fighting and dying in a war that they believed was more about self-preservation than for the stated governmental goal of the preservation of the institution of slavery.
If Americans truly believed that there can be no honor in fighting valiantly in what is in fact an immoral and dishonest cause, then there would certainly not be much enthusiasm for American soldiers of Vietnam Nam. In fact this was the prevailing attitude for a long while, that has fortunately been overcome. Those who fought in Vietnam Nam are deserving of honor and respect even though the leadership that sent them there may not. The same can apply to Confederate veterans and those who want them honored today.
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Vietnam Veterans fought for the US, not for treason
Sep 17, 2020, 8:54 PM
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Vietnam was fought, unjustly, representing the interests of the government that currently stands, confederates fought for their ideals but lost the war. There is no place for public tax payer support of those ideals, especially because the erection of the vast majority of those monuments and such was not in a period of time that coincided with the confederacy, but mostly in the 1940s through the 1960s as a counter to the civil rights movement for the denigration and intimidation of black people. There is no honor in that motivation...
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