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So can we all agree that Trump
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So can we all agree that Trump


Dec 11, 2018, 12:59 PM

I mean... Individual 1, committed a crime?

And if so, what are the pros and cons of being able to indict a sitting president?

Surely we don't want a leader that is above the law.

But then again, we can't prosecute a president for murder if he's bombing enemies

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I like your funny words magic man


uh, no. what was his mens rea?***


Dec 11, 2018, 12:59 PM



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Re: uh, no. what was his mens rea?***


Dec 11, 2018, 1:18 PM

Knowingly directing his attorney to violate campaign finance law and pay hush money to a #### star and directing or allowing David ###### to pay off a Playboy Bunny.

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merely volitional conduct by a private person


Dec 11, 2018, 1:25 PM

nothing more.

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Re: merely volitional conduct by a private person


Dec 11, 2018, 2:15 PM

I imagine this is precisely why you do not practice law at this level.

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what "level" is that?***


Dec 11, 2018, 2:17 PM



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silence***


Dec 11, 2018, 3:13 PM



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That seems like a pretty big leap to say he used


Dec 11, 2018, 1:28 PM [ in reply to Re: uh, no. what was his mens rea?*** ]

campaign money to do all that. Do we have proof of that?

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Re: That seems like a pretty big leap to say he used


Dec 11, 2018, 1:39 PM

Paying someone off so that they do not influence the election is considered a campaign contribution. So, they used "campaign money" (at Trumps direction) to silence these women. At least that is my understanding.

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I can go ahead and give you the response:


Dec 11, 2018, 1:40 PM

but everybody does it so even though it's a crime, it's a crime everybody does.

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I like your funny words magic man


Wouldn't that necessarily mean Daniels and her attorney


Dec 11, 2018, 1:41 PM [ in reply to Re: That seems like a pretty big leap to say he used ]

were extortionists?

I haven't seen them charged with that; that would seem like an easy case to prove, no?

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Re: Wouldn't that necessarily mean Daniels and her attorney


Dec 11, 2018, 1:50 PM

If they were blackmailing him then yes and they should be brought up on charges. However, I don't remember any reports indicating they demanded any money. That was where the whole mess started, them going to court calming the contract Trump had her sign was not valid due to it being done under duress.

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So Trump just gave her $300K to be nice?


Dec 11, 2018, 1:54 PM

Uh huh.

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Re: So Trump just gave her $300K to be nice?


Dec 11, 2018, 2:07 PM

No, he gave here money to make sure she didn't talk. He was bribing her to keep quiet, that is on him. If she threatened him to take it public unless he paid her then that is on her and she should be charged. Just depends on how it went down. According to everything we have so far it was the former and not the latter.

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How do we know that?


Dec 11, 2018, 2:15 PM

What do we "have"?

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Re: How do we know that?


Dec 11, 2018, 3:03 PM

What we know in terms of the payments...

- We have Trump on tapes from Cohen telling him to pay women.
- We have testimony from both Cohen and the women that Trump directed the payments.
- Federal prosecutors claim to have additional proof that Trump directed payments to keep these women silent.

What we don't know yet...
- Was it done to prevent people from finding out about it to protect his election chances. If so then we fall back into the campaign finance issues. If not then it is just a personal thing.

Connecting the dots...
- The biggest thing we are all guessing on it the campaign finance violations. The timing of the non-disclosure offered to Stormy Daniels suggests either he was blackmailed or he panicked and tried to buy her silence. Which of those is the truth determines a lot of what happens going forward.

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After Trump said the things he did and was still elected


Dec 11, 2018, 3:45 PM

I'd be leaning more towards blackmail.

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Stay away from cnn and huffpost


Dec 11, 2018, 1:29 PM

Gonna get blue balls again

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That's pure foolishness.


Dec 11, 2018, 1:30 PM

Cohen's confession to committing a crime does in no way evidence that Trump committed a crime. That's the exact same thing as saying Cohen confessed for Trump.

The only crime committed was by Stormy and the creepy pron lawyer. The crime was extortion.

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Dig those heels in, you're doing the lowereds work.***


Dec 11, 2018, 1:35 PM



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Re: That's pure foolishness.


Dec 11, 2018, 1:41 PM [ in reply to That's pure foolishness. ]

Don't we have Trump on tape telling Cohen to write a check for these payments?

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